AGeoJO wrote:
Gearing up for fall colors in Yosemite.....
I just took delivery of the CV 65mm lens and and the expression that I could come up with upon reviewing the fist images is "holy smoke"! The IQ of the lens is as good or even better than I expected and I raised my expectation based on this and similar thread. Now, I have two out the 3 listed you listed for the trip, Fred. But I have been resisting to get the Batis 135mm and I will take an alternative that covers the long end. There are 2 choices I am considering and I will have to decide before too long. And I am still working on the 35mm.......Show more →
For the 35mm, there is the Milvus 35/1.4 which is the best you can get as far as IQ is concerned but it's very heavy to drag around. Some folks like the Canon 35/1.4L II but it's also a big lens with adapter.
So far, the best alternative non-native I found is the CV 35/1.7 Ultron (with PCX 5m). At f/2, it comes close to the resolution of the CV 65/2 wide open and that gives you an idea of how good it is. It's not as color corrected but it's a very small and light lens. Rendering is also very nice. I hope Voigtlander ports this lens to the E-mount soon.
Fred Miranda wrote:
For the 35mm, there is the Milvus 35/1.4 which is the best you can get as far as IQ is concerned but it's very heavy to drag around. Some folks like the Canon 35/1.4L II but it's also a big lens with adapter.
So far, the best alternative non-native I found is the CV 35/1.7 Ultron (with PCX 5m). At f/2, it comes close to the resolution of the CV 65/2 wide open and that gives you an idea of how good it is. It's not as color corrected but it's a very small and light lens. Rendering is also very nice. I hope Voigtlander ports this lens to the E-mount soon....Show more →
Thank you, Fred! I looked at my FE 35mm f/2.8 again and no matter how you slice or dice it, it is a superb lens in such a tiny and light-weight package for landscape. It will be used stopped down anyway for that purpose and I care less about its rendition for environmental portraits. At this point, I am leaning towards using this lens and again, in anticipation of Voigtlander introducing more lenses in the E-mount, including the 35mm f/1.7 VM. We will see how things develop on Monday; I still have a little time left to make the final adjustment .
Would you consider the CV 35 Ultron better for landscapes than the Loxia 35?
I知 pretty happy with the results from the Loxia which I purchased used about a month ago and first used in earnest last weekend photographing fall colors along the BRP.
I think I probably got as many keepers with the Loxia 35 as with any of my other lenses. The moderate wide angle is very useful for images that include equal amounts of context and detail.
I知 very tempted to pick up the Loxia 50 and 85 based on my positive experience with the 35 and 21.
Would you consider the CV 35 Ultron better for landscapes than the Loxia 35?
I知 pretty happy with the results from the Loxia which I purchased used about a month ago and first used in earnest last weekend photographing fall colors along the BRP.
I think I probably got as many keepers with the Loxia 35 as with any of my other lenses. The moderate wide angle is very useful for images that include equal amounts of context and detail.
I知 very tempted to pick up the Loxia 50 and 85 based on my positive experience with the 35 and 21.
I tested them side-by-side before selling my Loxia. Honestly, if you have a good copy of the Loxia, I would not sweat because they perform similarly when shooting landscapes at small apertures. The CV 35/1.7 is definitely sharper throughout the entire field even stopped down. However, for the corners you need the PCX 5m front-lens for the Voigtlander 35/1.7.
If you don't mind the lack of EXIF and auto-magnification, imo the CV + PCX 5m is a more versatile lens because it's also superb wide-open with smoother bokeh while the Loxia, not so much.
Well, if I had a wish list of APO lenses then it would be:
- 180/4 in E mount with some tweaks to make it sharper at infinity
- 125/2.5 in E mount with some tweaks to make it a bit sharper
- 280/4 APO in E mount - the other choice is the Leica, but likely it would be that expensive too . . .
Not sure wide and APO are a usual pairing.
I wish someone would make a stunning 16mm f/4 fisheye for E mount that's sharp to the corners wide open, low CA (of all kinds), great sun stars, etc. Voigt could make one of those I suppose and it wouldn't even need to be an APO design as apparently that's not needed for ultra wides.
jhinkey wrote:
Well, if I had a wish list of APO lenses then it would be:
- 180/4 in E mount with some tweaks to make it sharper at infinity
- 125/2.5 in E mount with some tweaks to make it a bit sharper
- 280/4 APO in E mount - the other choice is the Leica, but likely it would be that expensive too . . .
Not sure wide and APO are a usual pairing.
I wish someone would make a stunning 16mm f/4 fisheye for E mount that's sharp to the corners wide open, low CA (of all kinds), great sun stars, etc. Voigt could make one of those I suppose and it wouldn't even need to be an APO design as apparently that's not needed for ultra wides....Show more →
Wide and APO aren't a usual pairing, because it's hard to do.
But not impossible: the Otus 1.4/28 is an APO-Distagon and it really is APO too.
Of course it's massive; but it ought be eminently doable in a compact size at f2.4 or some such...
Also, historically, colour aberrations were much stronger in tele designs, which made it more urgent to design colour corrected designs (anyone used the Canon FD 2.8/200??)
Which makes me wonder if it really is much harder to do it in a wide, or whether manufacturers think that the residual amount of axial colour error matters less...
DavidBM wrote:
Wide and APO aren't a usual pairing, because it's hard to do.
But not impossible: the Otus 1.4/28 is an APO-Distagon and it really is APO too.
Of course it's massive; but it ought be eminently doable in a compact size at f2.4 or some such...
Also, historically, colour aberrations were much stronger in tele designs, which made it more urgent to design colour corrected designs (anyone used the Canon FD 2.8/200??)
Which makes me wonder if it really is much harder to do it in a wide, or whether manufacturers think that the residual amount of axial colour error matters less...
Very good point David. The Otus 28/1.4 APO gives me hope that someone will be able to design a smaller and slower APO wide soon.
'gives me hope that someone will be able to design a smaller and slower APO wide soon.'
If it's slower it can maybe be done with none (or one) asph elements, as CZ did with the first (CY) 21mm Distagon. Makers just need to opt for the better high index / APD glass types and balance them very well. The market is primed for this kind of thing, Lloyd Chambers has no doubt been in Zeiss's ear for some time asking for solid, top build, (and yes, expensive) very high quality manual focus lenses that can be used daily for many years. Slower lenses.
A lot are probably shelling out for say, the otherwise very sound Nikon 24-70/2.8 VR, and expect CA control over the wide end, to use for landscapes among other things. But once people get a good feel for what APO brings to the image table, the rest will look somewhat less appealing. It will be a demonstration effect, that's how good the effect is on images. More a near transparent clarity and near-faultless color than sharpness, it's very addictive. And, people will pay for things they become addicted to.
If you don't mind the lack of EXIF and auto-magnification, imo the CV + PCX 5m is a more versatile lens because it's also superb wide-open with smoother bokeh while the Loxia, not so much.
Yeah, I do mind the lack of EXIF (don't use the auto-magnification) and wouldn't be thrilled with having to use the PCX filter either. It's OK right now because I am only using one lens with no EXIF (the Laowa 15/2 zero-D) and it's obvious which lens it is (although the lack of aperture recording annoys me) but I wouldn't want to juggle multiple lenses with no EXIF.
Hopefully CV will release an update to the 35/1.7 in E-mount and I can replace the Loxia at that time.
But once people get a good feel for what APO brings to the image table, the rest will look somewhat less appealing. It will be a demonstration effect, that's how good the effect is on images. More a near transparent clarity and near-faultless color than sharpness, it's very addictive. And, people will pay for things they become addicted to.
Absolutely. I wish all my lenses were as faultless as the CV-65.
Looks very much like my landscape kit (although I am using the Lox 35 instead of the CV at that focal length, don't have a top-drawer manual focus 28, and haven't bought the Batis 135 yet). I also am using the CV10 as well (although the corner IQ is sadly lacking compared to my other glass).
My only real issue in having the CV 28/35 is no Exif so not going to know easily which dang lens I shot. But I think I will hold up my 1 finger in front of lens take a shot for 28 and use 2 fingers for the 35.
The PCX I actually like as it痴 also my hood setup. I never use OEM hoods.
Right now the CV 35 1.7 with the 5000 is maybe the best thing going for me in 35. Sharp as a tack wide open, nice Bokeh, no onion rings and very little CA. I might use a 4000 PCX instead. So once I sell my 2000 I値l order the 4000 and put the 5000 on the 28. I see improvement with the 28 and 5000
The Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro is an APO lens, but I really want an 180/200mm f4 APO for tele landscapes.
jhinkey wrote:
Well, if I had a wish list of APO lenses then it would be:
- 180/4 in E mount with some tweaks to make it sharper at infinity
- 125/2.5 in E mount with some tweaks to make it a bit sharper
- 280/4 APO in E mount - the other choice is the Leica, but likely it would be that expensive too . . .
Not sure wide and APO are a usual pairing.
I wish someone would make a stunning 16mm f/4 fisheye for E mount that's sharp to the corners wide open, low CA (of all kinds), great sun stars, etc. Voigt could make one of those I suppose and it wouldn't even need to be an APO design as apparently that's not needed for ultra wides....Show more →
I just ordered the PCX 4000 so I will test it on both the CV 28 and CV 35. I think I will get a little better corners on the 35. So maybe late next week Ill have that up.
The Sigma 150 2.8 I shot when I had Nikon bodies and its a very nice sharp lens
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