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p.27 #1 · African safari talk...recommendations?


I know we are planning quite a bit in advance. But we couldn't go this summer so next summer worked best for us. Now I have extra time to get excited and prepared!


Apr 13, 2023 at 02:46 PM
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p.27 #2 · African safari talk...recommendations?


To add further, I am sorted for transporting the equipment through air travel (ThinkTank International V3). I want a backpack I can use during the safari to carry bulk of equipment (namely R3 + RF extender + RF 400mm attached, perhaps a lens or 2). I have my eyes on the Gitzo Adventury 45l, but is there any other good alternatives? Also saw the Mindshift 36l, however these look to be a tight squeeze for such a setup.

I don’t want a Alta 66 / Limo or equivalent, but more a backpack that is not a long rectangle and is not just purpose built for a body + tele lens (if that makes sense!)



Apr 14, 2023 at 09:20 AM
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rafster wrote:
To add further, I am sorted for transporting the equipment through air travel (ThinkTank International V3). I want a backpack I can use during the safari to carry bulk of equipment (namely R3 + RF extender + RF 400mm attached, perhaps a lens or 2). I have my eyes on the Gitzo Adventury 45l, but is there any other good alternatives? Also saw the Mindshift 36l, however these look to be a tight squeeze for such a setup.

I don’t want a Alta 66 / Limo or equivalent, but more a backpack that is not a long rectangle and is not
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I had the 4 bodies pictured on page 17 of this thread and I didn't use a backpack on the safari vehicle. I just carried the gear from the tent to the safari vehicle and it worked out fine. I think a backpack would just get in the way while on game drives but I guess it depends how many people ae in your vehicle. You are going to want to be able to move around and the less baggage the better. All I would worry about is getting your gear to each camp safely.



Apr 14, 2023 at 09:55 AM
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p.27 #4 · African safari talk...recommendations?


Full disclosure I'm an f-stop ambassador, but really after years of needing my gear ready and accessible it was the easy choice. A Tilopa with XL Pro ICU should fit the bill.

I can carry a RF 600 and RF 400 2.8 with body on in a Shinn 80l



Apr 14, 2023 at 10:19 AM
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p.27 #5 · African safari talk...recommendations?


Don't complicate your life...take two bodies with a 24-105 and then 200-600 (and no TCs).


Apr 14, 2023 at 11:15 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
I had the 4 bodies pictured on page 17 of this thread and I didn't use a backpack on the safari vehicle. I just carried the gear from the tent to the safari vehicle and it worked out fine. I think a backpack would just get in the way while on game drives but I guess it depends how many people ae in your vehicle. You are going to want to be able to move around and the less baggage the better. All I would worry about is getting your gear to each camp safely.



Thank you, we have a private tour on a jeep. More just for protection I guess, i guess I can easily just take the Thinktank with me in case!



Apr 14, 2023 at 11:42 AM
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Vince Maidens wrote:
Full disclosure I'm an f-stop ambassador, but really after years of needing my gear ready and accessible it was the easy choice. A Tilopa with XL Pro ICU should fit the bill.

I can carry a RF 600 and RF 400 2.8 with body on in a Shinn 80l



is that a Tilopa V3? Looks quite good actually in terms of size and looks



Apr 14, 2023 at 11:44 AM
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Thank you, we have a private tour on a jeep. More just for protection I guess, i guess I can easily just take the Thinktank with me in case!


My friend and I had a private vehicle and we each brought our girlfriends with us so there were a total of 4 people max in our vehicle at all times. We brought our think tank backpacks on the vehicle our first day and then ditched them after that when we realized they just get in the way. Using the blankets on the floor and empty seats worked best for us as it's less clutter for jumping around from row to row or side to side, and we did not want to have be unzipping backpacks to get our gear quickly. The gear needs to be ready for a quick draw or else you will miss some good shots.



Apr 14, 2023 at 12:44 PM
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p.27 #9 · African safari talk...recommendations?


Duradiamond, which is the current Tilopa. Lovely bags

I became an ambassador due to the support and after care, unreal ability to interface directly with the company, any issues get sorted quick. If any.



Apr 16, 2023 at 04:12 AM
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p.27 #10 · African safari talk...recommendations?


Same here.... other than transporting to my initial destination my cameras stayed within arms reach and covered with a blanket or old bed sheet - something to basically keep some of the dust off when driving.

On a separate note I am heading back to SA for 12 weeks at the end of June - going to do a 2-3 week side trip to Namibia this time around as well.


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My friend and I had a private vehicle and we each brought our girlfriends with us so there were a total of 4 people max in our vehicle at all times. We brought our think tank backpacks on the vehicle our first day and then ditched them after that when we realized they just get in the way. Using the blankets on the floor and empty seats worked best for us as it's less clutter for jumping around from row to row or side to side, and we did not want to have be unzipping backpacks to get our gear
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Hi friends. Does anyone have experience with the Sigma 120-300mm 2.8 on safari? I'm getting my gear together and trying to make decisions. It seems to be a near perfect lens for the job, espcecially when engaging crop mode on the newer Sony cameras.


Apr 26, 2023 at 09:07 AM
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rafster wrote:
is that a Tilopa V3? Looks quite good actually in terms of size and looks


It's the new 50L Duradiamond, really very nice when I know I'm going to be constrained for space on an internal flight. If I pay for a child seat, i'm packing the Shinn full hah




Apr 26, 2023 at 09:28 AM
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Hi friends. Does anyone have experience with the Sigma 120-300mm 2.8 on safari? I'm getting my gear together and trying to make decisions. It seems to be a near perfect lens for the job, espcecially when engaging crop mode on the newer Sony cameras.


You may get by, but ensure crop mode is on a button or the function menu. I found, in Serengeti And Ngorongoro crater, I used the 100-400GM with a TC. There is still another issue, I feel the lense was about 5'6" above the compartment floor, that was about 1'6" off the track, 7' Is not great for Lions, Rhinos, and Leopards on the ground, At a distance with grass getting taller all the season. getting focus is difficult.



Apr 26, 2023 at 05:27 PM
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eke2k6 wrote:
Hi friends. Does anyone have experience with the Sigma 120-300mm 2.8 on safari? I'm getting my gear together and trying to make decisions. It seems to be a near perfect lens for the job, especially when engaging crop mode on the newer Sony cameras.


Noting that I did not have a crop mode option (except on the A7R3, but that never played well with adapted lenses for action for me) here are my experiences.

I used to have one and it was okay but I sold it a few years ago when I got a 400/4 (I was using it on a Canon body although I am primarily a Sony shooter) because I found myself using it with a TC so much and at the long end. Even then it often was not enough length for situations where we had to sit back (like a hunt), even assuming we could off-road. At roughly the same time I got a Sony A9 and 100-400 and that covered the wider focal length and was so much faster. So the 120-300 just became pretty redundant for safari. Both 400/4 and 100-400 were sharper/ prettier for me in practice (which is not the same as on the testing bench of course), even in lower light when the 120-300 should have had an advantage. I didn’t find the 120-300 bokeh to be particularly compelling despite the aperture, and although the 2.8 provides some artistic possibilities it is generally speaking not an aperture I want to use with large mammals.

I didn’t enjoy using it on a Sony body with adapter as I found focus to be on the slow side, especially compared to the 100-400 and 400 on native mounts and (unforgivable) it would occasionally hunt. If I had been happy with it on the A9 I might not have bought the 400/4. I was also not wholly happy with adapting that lens, but with A9 at least it was as fast (but not quite as reliable) as it had been on a 5DMkIII. Now I personally feel the time for adapting has past - either take the options Sony have or buy one of the (now very decent) Canon mirrorless body options.

The weight was an issue for me. I often grabbed a lighter lens first in a vehicle when I wanted to be quickly on an animal. It was rarely a fun lens to use.

It really shone at dusk and on night drives where I had a single lens and body and fast focus/tracking action isn’t really happening anyway. It was on a fixed position, stable base then and got me a few shots that would otherwise not have been achievable. Having said that, so many bodies give very usable results (post-cleaning) at high ISOs now - it is not quite the advantage it once was - a very fast lens is a more marginal gain than ever. Assuming you don’t have an f4 intermediate option then the Sigma is still a strong choice here, but adapted on a Sony I found it unlikely to lock focus any better than a slower native lens in low light - probably a bit worse in general. I had to use a Canon body to get these gains.

So while I would agree it is a good lens for the job if used with TC (or crop mode), I would say you should consider using it with native mount rather than MC-11 adapter - while noting it has been a few years for me not following technical developments so it is possible that things have improved with adapters.

Despite their obvious limitations, even if I still had the 120-300, if I had to take only one lens with a Sony body I would personally take the 100-400 or 200-600.

If you already have the lens and body you’ll know if your experiences match mine and whether it suits your preferred way of doing things. There will always be compromises on safari lenses and what suits one person may not suit another as well.



Apr 30, 2023 at 12:25 AM
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There will always be compromises on safari lenses


I'm following this incredible thread closely and learning at lot with the hope that I'll be able to some safaris in the near future. With that in mind, can you elaborate on the above comment? If one had access to any lens that was desired (e.g. by renting) why would there have to be compromises? Is there something specific about safaris that is different from other wildlife photography that causes these compromises?



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vbnut wrote:
I'm following this incredible thread closely and learning at lot with the hope that I'll be able to some safaris in the near future. With that in mind, can you elaborate on the above comment? If one had access to any lens that was desired (e.g. by renting) why would there have to be compromises? Is there something specific about safaris that is different from other wildlife photography that causes these compromises?


Don't forget about size and weight restrictions on smaller bush type planes, and even on larger in Africa airlines. I am going to first Nairobi area, then Johannesburg, and taking Kenya Air. I may have to buy an extra seat for my gear even though it's a decent sized plane.



May 01, 2023 at 06:41 AM
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vbnut wrote:
I'm following this incredible thread closely and learning at lot with the hope that I'll be able to some safaris in the near future. With that in mind, can you elaborate on the above comment? If one had access to any lens that was desired (e.g. by renting) why would there have to be compromises? Is there something specific about safaris that is different from other wildlife photography that causes these compromises?


Yes, renting is an excellent option although not available where I live - I’d have to buy and sell).

Just personally… because you asked (and realising this may be eye-rollingly too much thinking for some):

I don’t think it is really different from other wildlife photography overall but there is an awful lot to shoot (from giraffes to tiny birds, or at least to dwarf mongooses if you want to leave the birding out of it) a lot of different types of action going on and some animals that are going to come very close - or you to them - while others are going to be doing stuff you really want to capture quite a long distance away. There are also night drives and low light action to consider and different shooting situations to be prepared for (waiting an hour with lens pointed and ready, having two seconds to get a shot off after the vehicle stops, while it is still rocking, jumping out to quickly and very quietly snatch a shot from under or behind the vehicle, sitting down, sitting or lying on the floor, standing up, holding camera and lens down over the side of the vehicle*). I feel I want a 400/2.8 and a 600/4 but I definitely want 100-400 covered and those giraffes and elephants (and more) can be problematic at 100mm - as can some pretty amazing environmental shot opportunities. I also want mobility options - weightier lenses slow me down in and around the restricted space of a vehicle (I’ll leave walking to track animals out of it for now, but it’s something I do want to be ready to take advantage of when available). Of course what weight becomes restrictive of mobility varies very much by person, as with much wildlife photography.

For most wildlife photography it’s either as long or as fast as possible - and preferably both long and fast so those TCs can take you even longer. Or you’re focused on a particular species or small range of them. For safari it often feels like three wildlife trips in one to me, especially as I try to visit very different environments if I can.

There is also the weight issue for travel (usually solvable but not cheaply and sometimes not satisfactorily solvable at all without a private plane) and space in the vehicle if the space has to be shared. Vehicles vary too. I’ve been in some where the seat was so far off the floor and the space so narrow it took me 15-30 seconds after the vehicle stopped to get my second body and lens off the floor.

For me, 400/2.8, 100-400 and 24-70 is going to be great but that 400 is a “do I/ don’t I want a TC on it?” and then the question is why not a 600/4 (maybe cos it’s going to kill you when it is too long and the prime is your only fairly fast lens). And yes you can crop with the high MP sensors but an A7R5 or a Canon R5 aren’t going to track and blast like a stacked sensor A1, R3, Z9 or A9 - of which only the A1 and Z9 are giving you the megapixels you want. I guess both of those cameras bring no compromise closer but you probably don’t want to be hiring a new, unfamiliar body for a safari if that’s not what you have already.

(So, in your private vehicle, with your extra cabin baggage booked and your muscles rippling in your board shoulders you can take a trio of A1s or whatever your poison is, a 600/4, a 400/2.8, a 100-400/500, another body and a 24-70. I’ll accept there is little apparent compromise there).

Anyway, I suppose it depends on your definition of ‘compromise’ and what might actually be practical for each of us. I always try to think of gear in terms of best for me (now) rather than ‘the best’ - otherwise the GAS would kill me.

Disclaimer: I know people who take nothing more than a 100-400 and a phone and come back with wonderful shots that are still wonderful at whatever print or screen size they would feasibly want them). They don’t dwell on the one shot in 50 where the bokeh is more problematic than it should be, or that they are restrcited to Y meters, rather than Yx1.5, and they just accept it’s time for a sundowner at 6 and spotlight shooting is going to be more miss than hit, even for record shots. This is the other way of looking at ‘there will always be compromises on safari lenses’.



*You can also just stay put, enjoy the ride and trust your guide to get you in position for most things, but I can never quite manage to do that if it is my first visit to somewhere. I want it all!



May 01, 2023 at 11:28 AM
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Yes, renting is an excellent option although not available where I live - I’d have to buy and sell).

Just personally… because you asked (and realising this may be eye-rollingly too much thinking for some):

I don’t think it is really different from other wildlife photography overall but there is an awful lot to shoot (from giraffes to tiny birds, or at least to dwarf mongooses if you want to leave the birding out of it) a lot of different types of action going on and some animals that are going to come very close - or you to them - while
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I agree the gear selection all depends on the individual and their shooting style. Most people will be happy with an R5 100-500 for 90% of their Safari. Others like me prefer large apertures so the 100-500 was my least used lens of the four I took.

Now that Canon is coming out with the 100-300 f/2.8, my ideal setup would a Canon R5 with bare 100-300 f/2.8, and a Nikon Z9 with 400 2.8 TC. This would cover 99% of what I shot on my Safari. Hopefully Canon introduces their 400, 500, & 600 with built in TC's.

If the Canon 100-300 f/2.8 turns out to be really good with a 2x, I would consider using this on a second R5 to go along with the R5 and bare 100-300 f/2.8.

I guess I had really good guides because I rarely had the need for 600mm. 400mm was the sweet spot for me and even often too long with cheetah, leopards, lions, and everything else all walking too close to my frame, so I had to drop the 400 and grab the 70-200. I had the 2x on my RF 400 and some Grevy's Zebra started play fighting on their hind legs. I had to jump out of the Safari vehicle and run toward a Rhino and her baby to get back far enough. It was still too close and I missed a bunch of shots with it being too long. I mostly used the RF 400 bare, but I don't shoot birds. There were a couple eagles in some trees and I think I shot one of them at 560, but birding is not my cup of tea.



May 01, 2023 at 12:09 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
I agree the gear selection all depends on the individual and their shooting style. Most people will be happy with an R5 100-500 for 90% of their Safari. Others like me prefer large apertures so the 100-500 was my least used lens of the four I took.

Now that Canon is coming out with the 100-300 f/2.8, my ideal setup would a Canon R5 with bare 100-300 f/2.8, and a Nikon Z9 with 400 2.8 TC. This would cover 99% of what I shot on my Safari. Hopefully Canon introduces their 400, 500, & 600 with built in TC's.

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Yes, most of the time 400 is enough, especially if you are happy cropping a bit.. Great story - definitely it is worse being too long! Where was your 100-500? - that’s why you took it.

Maybe a good guide (those ones do surely know what 400mm range is but they are far from guaranteed) and maybe also the circumstances?. I’ve been plenty of places where I rarely took the 1.4x TC off a 400 and was still short quite often. Less habituated animals and/or lack of off-road opportunities. Not so much in the Mara conservancies. Also, if you are shooting at 400mm that means most things are beyond that. It’s a fairly conservative distance.

But the need to crop a bit is certainly less and less of an issue - it’s arguably hardly worth mentioning as a compromise if you’re leaving 20-30 megapixels or more.





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PaulMaewpa2 wrote:
Yes, most of the time 400 is enough, especially if you are happy cropping a bit.. Great story - definitely it is worse being too long! Where was your 100-500? - that’s why you took it.

Maybe a good guide (those ones do surely know what 400mm range is but they are far from guaranteed) and maybe also the circumstances?. I’ve been plenty of places where I rarely took the 1.4x TC off a 400 and was still short quite often. Less habituated animals and/or lack of off-road opportunities. Not so much in the Mara conservancies. Also, if you
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My 100-500 was floating between my girlfriend and guide. I let all three of my guides use it after I taught them the basics. One of them was a complete natural and he would be a really good photographer if he could afford a nice camera/lens.

As for 400mm being my sweet spot, yes I was in the conservancies where we were able to drive off road. I wouldn't want it any other way. I do not like to crop either, meaning the only reason I ever crop is to level the horizon a tad. I'm not one who would ever shoot in crop mode to gain more reach. Heat shimmer ruined a lot of photos even at 400mm too, so the longer FL's would be better served in the winter months when it's cooler.



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