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The 100-300 + 400 might be a great rental pair for my trip. I'm losing faith the rumored 200-500/4 will be out and available in time. But I could certainly rent those two for my trip! Thanks for the information!


Nov 07, 2023 at 08:15 AM
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Just arrived in Arusha; we pick up our 4WD Toyota Range Rover type vehicle on Thursday. We are doing a self drive trip through national parks here in Tanzania (Ngororongoro Crater eg)…but first to the Lark Plains outside of Arusha for Beesley’s Lark - we are primarily interested in birds. We’ve found through the years we prefer driving ourselves and if we need specific help we will hire a local guide for the day. We’ve had no trouble getting close to “animals” (mammals) in the national parks of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia. For birds we play calls. - using a diurnal owl call will bring in many at once. Rangers in parks use lion calls to bring in resident lions…so if you think outside the box you can get what you want…save a lot of money (and spend more time in these countries) and most importantly have your own adventure. We are our own guides/drivers/porters…Anyway we have a $28/night place right now in Arusha with air con, view order Kilimanjaro and plenty of space. We have booked several Air BnBs for about $30 night just outside the gates of the national park (hiring local people to cook breakfast and lunch for two for $9 USD per day…So there are many ways to do Africa just search around there are many independent travelers and web sites devoted to this. Have your own personal adventure and save money too. Once I set up my laptop I’ll send photos

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Nov 07, 2023 at 08:59 AM
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rdcny wrote:
Just arrived in Arusha; we pick up our 4WD Toyota Range Rover type vehicle on Thursday. We are doing a self drive trip through national parks here in Tanzania ((Ngororongoro Crater eg)…but first to the Lark Plains outside of Arusha for Beesley’s Lark - we are primarily interested in birds. We’ve found through the years we prefer driving ourselves and if we need specific help we will hire a local guide for the day. We’ve had no trouble getting close to “animals” (mammals) in the national parks of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia. For birds we play calls. - using
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At 76 years old, I don't think I'd do this. Tempting though.




Nov 07, 2023 at 09:36 AM
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rdcny wrote:
Just arrived in Arusha; we pick up our 4WD Toyota Range Rover type vehicle on Thursday. We are doing a self drive trip through national parks here in Tanzania ((Ngororongoro Crater eg)…but first to the Lark Plains outside of Arusha for Beesley’s Lark - we are primarily interested in birds. We’ve found through the years we prefer driving ourselves and if we need specific help we will hire a local guide for the day. We’ve had no trouble getting close to “animals” (mammals) in the national parks of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia. For birds we play calls. - using
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This is a very cool way to experience a safari. I could see myself doing this in my retired days when time away from home is much less expensive and more feasible. If I were to self-drive like you I would want to spend at minimum 6-8 weeks out there and that's just not feasible for a lot of people. I don't think many people would do this on their first or second safaris, but possibly on their third after they've been there and been educated.

Advantages:
-Cost, cost, and cost. This is obviously the huge advantage to self-drive. You are literally paying a small fraction of what others pay to go to established camps
-Being in control of your own vehicle. I'm a driver and would love to be able to drive my own Landcruiser and position it how I want it at sightings. It would be much easier than constantly directing the guides on how to position the vehicle. For those who aren't familiar, you are often threading the needle to get an angle between two grass blades or twigs that are in the way. At times you can easily tell the driver to go back and forth several times before he's in the right spot, and sometimes they still don't nail it because they can't see the angle you are shooting from in the back. So being in control of your own vehicle would be really nice for those who love to drive.

Most of the benefit of the cost savings are a result of giving up a lot of security and taking on any unexpected challenges on your own. Like getting flat tires, getting stuck, breaking down, etc. Also you're taking on a lot more responsibility and tasks between game drives with refueling, stocking food/snacks/water, etc. You face potential issues at rentals like a tripped breaker and power outage for the night. You also take more risks with the food. One bad meal can ruin a large portion of your trip. Not knowing the language could be a huge disadvantage in certain situations (medical emergencies?). You are restricted to the National Parks and cannot drive in the conservancies unless you hire a local to drive you. National Parks have business hours which can prevent you from getting out before sunrise.

I realize after you've done the self-drive thing it all becomes a very easy routine but it's not for everyone. I do the same thing for surf trips so I understand the cost savings and freedoms that come with it. The cost savings and being able to stay for weeks or months would offset some of the advantages of the conservancy game drives. I will do this some day when I can afford to leave home for a couple months.




Nov 07, 2023 at 11:03 AM
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berimbolo wrote:
Just curious - Did you use a tour provider? If so, are you willing to share which one?


I did not use a tour provider, I planned and booked everything myself. I used a tour provider for my first safari and I might suggest that to everyone who hasn't been there before, but after you've been there it's very easy to book your own safaris. A lot of people book directly with the camps and it's very easy to do. You just have to get yourself to Nairobi and from there your camp will arrange a driver to pick you up and transfer you to the camp if you prefer to save money and drive. You simply step out of the Nairobi airport and they are waiting for you with a sign.

If you have the money I would highly suggest flying to your camps instead of driving as it saves a lot of valuable time that can be spent on game drives. In this case, you'll just need to get yourself to Wilson airport which is very easy to do. Once you are at Wilson, it's part of the safari playground. Everyone there is headed to some region/camp on one of the puddle jumpers for safari. It's like you've entered Disneyland and you are now all getting on different trams to go to different locations of the park. There are 3 main safari airlines that fly out of Wilson to the various dirt airstrips where you will be picked up by your camp:

1. Safarilink
2. AirKenya
3. Mombasa Air

I flew all of them this last trip and they are pretty much the same. They're all small turbo props that land on dirt airstrips. All the camps are in tune with the flight statuses as they change very often. The arrival and departure times are always changing but you don't need to worry about this. If you are late to a connecting flight they will wait for you as there is probably only 10 people max on your flight and the small airlines have your name and will hold the flight for you. It's all a really simple safari network and there's not much to worry about. You just have to provide your camp your flight info and they'll make sure the transfers happen.

Regarding flying versus driving. I met a guy on my first leg who decided to save $200 bucks and drive to the camp instead of flying. So he spent 6hrs in a vehicle to save $200 while I was off my 1hr flight and already out on my first game drive shooting animals in good light. The money you save to drive is just not worth the valuable game drive time you give up when transferring. All puddle jumpers are approximately 1hr on average. Its' super easy and quick to transfer to another camp between game drives when the light is shit.

If someone wants to PM me for camp information I would be happy to put you in touch with direct contacts there. You can't go wrong with some of the camp organizations there who have multiple camps. They are top notch people with top notch service and food. As for a tour provider, I cannot recommend the one I used for my first Safari but I'm sure others will chime in with some great options.



Nov 07, 2023 at 11:54 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
I did not use a tour provider, I planned and booked everything myself. I used a tour provider for my first safari and I might suggest that to everyone who hasn't been there before, but after you've been there it's very easy to book your own safaris. A lot of people book directly with the camps and it's very easy to do. You just have to get yourself to Nairobi and from there your camp will arrange a driver to pick you up and transfer you to the camp if you prefer to save money and drive. You simply step
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I will send you a PM. I used Spirit of Kenya in September. They were good, but we had to drive from Nairobi to Nakuru and then to the Mara. The drive sucked, but I dealt with it because I was with a friend. Next time I will be going solo, and I don't want to spend 6 hours in a vehicle without anyone to talk to.



Nov 07, 2023 at 11:56 AM
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rdcny wrote:
Just arrived in Arusha; we pick up our 4WD Toyota Range Rover type vehicle on Thursday. We are doing a self drive trip through national parks here in Tanzania ((Ngororongoro Crater eg)…but first to the Lark Plains outside of Arusha for Beesley’s Lark - we are primarily interested in birds. We’ve found through the years we prefer driving ourselves and if we need specific help we will hire a local guide for the day. We’ve had no trouble getting close to “animals” (mammals) in the national parks of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia. For birds we play calls. - using
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After going to TZ over a dozen times doing a self drive is total doable. However do not under estimate driving off road (excluding the crater floor) in the conversation area. But unlike the conservation area (where you can drive off road) in NP you can't. Also the Serengeti is much more expansive than anything in Southern Africa and especially Kruger which is nothing like it - as such game can be a good distance away from the roads. Also national parks in TZ, unlike Southern Africa, are a PIA if you change camp sites as you will need to report in to the main gate either by physical going to one of them, calling in or trying to use the godawful website. Have a wonderful time.



Nov 07, 2023 at 12:55 PM
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This was such a good post. Thank you


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I've been on many safaris and am always planning my next one, so I'll try to give you some insights.

1) Most people's first safari usually takes them to the Serengeti in Tanzania (also typically includes visits to the Ngorongoro Crater and Tarangire) or the Maasai Mara in Kenya (perhaps including a stop in Lake Nakuru). The infrastructure is very good, there's lots of providers, and getting to the locations is simple. The big 5 are all present so with any luck you'll see lots (these parks are famous for a reason!). The main downside is that they are very busy
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Nov 07, 2023 at 02:50 PM
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Thanks for all the helpful advise .

artsupreme wrote:
I'm finally back from Safari and trying to acclimate to my time zone again.


That reminds me of a question that's been rattling around in my head for a while. How big of a problem is jet lag when traveling from the USA to African safaris? It sounds like you're often dealing with longs days to get both the early morning and late evening photography opportunities, which could make adjusting to the time zone difficult. How do you (and anyone else) deal with (or avoid) trying to take photos while sleep deprived?



Nov 07, 2023 at 06:09 PM
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vbnut wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful advise .

That reminds me of a question that's been rattling around in my head for a while. How big of a problem is jet lag when traveling from the USA to African safaris? It sounds like you're often dealing with longs days to get both the early morning and late evening photography opportunities, which could make adjusting to the time zone difficult. How do you (and anyone else) deal with (or avoid) trying to take photos while sleep deprived?


In my case, it didn't matter much. My flight left Toronto in the evening and we arrived in Nairobi at 9pm the following day. I slept on the first leg of the flight, and was awake the second leg. By the time I arrived, i was exhausted, and sleeping that first night killed the jet lag for me.



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vbnut wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful advise .

That reminds me of a question that's been rattling around in my head for a while. How big of a problem is jet lag when traveling from the USA to African safaris? It sounds like you're often dealing with longs days to get both the early morning and late evening photography opportunities, which could make adjusting to the time zone difficult. How do you (and anyone else) deal with (or avoid) trying to take photos while sleep deprived?


I'm coming from Southern California which is probably about as far as you can get from Nairobi. From leaving my house in SoCal, it takes 38hrs of travel/layovers to get from door to door at my first camp. We took gummies for a sleep aid and forced ourselves to sleep when possible. Although the first few nights my adrenaline kicked in and I maybe slept 2hrs max, I was still able to get up and spend long days in the bush. The excitement just pulls you through. I think it's actually harder to adjust coming home. I have been hitting the wall at 7pm and waking up at 2am. Still need to adjust but it's all worth it of course.



Nov 07, 2023 at 09:24 PM
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I'm finally back from Safari and trying to acclimate to my time zone again. I met a lot of photographers in Africa this year and several of them made some costly mistakes with gear so I'm going to refresh this list from my post on the bottom of page 18 of this thread. I have a lot more safari time under my belt since I last posted so I'll refresh the list with a couple more notes.

Questions to ask yourself to determine your gear choice:

1. Are you going to National Parks or Private Conservancies? This is one of the most
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Cant wait to see you share some images. I'm headed over in a couple of weeks.



Nov 10, 2023 at 09:16 AM
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Has anyone been to Mana Pools?


Nov 12, 2023 at 01:13 PM
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Greetings from Arusha Tanzania - here on our self-drive through the northern circuit.

It is RAINING a lot this November...what does this mean for folks heading over: anyone heading to Serengeti expect really bad roads...slow travel in safari vehicles - and even getting stuck. Expect some areas to be closed. Authorities might close some areas in Ngorongoro Crater as well.

That's what we've heard/learned...there might be other areas affected by the weather as well...





Secretary Bird at the Lark Plains (Maasai area) 11 November 2023




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I will be going to Maasai Mara (private conservation/concession area) for two weeks next August, followed by a week in Tanzania. The Tanzania portion will be a combination of wildlife and landscape photography. This thread has been incredibly interesting and informative. Thank you to everyone for sharing your experience.

I am still working on a gear list. Just sold my A7R IIIA in order to buy a second A1. My E-mount lenses at this point include the Sony 200-600, Tamron 35-150, and Tamron 17-28. I was very happy with these lenses and two bodies (A1 and A7r IIIA) in Namibia. However, I would really like to get input if these will be good enough for my upcoming trip. I guess that my main questions, in consideration of wildlife photograph, would be: would the Sony 70-200mm f/2.8 II give me any kind of edge (thinking focal length, obviously it would be better for frame rate) over the Tamron 35-150 that would warrant taking both? How important is a third body?

Added note: I do want to make the absolute most of this trip. It is becoming very expensive and likely a once in a lifetime trip. So, I really do want to buy or rent appropriate gear and not be caught lacking.


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Abuttolph wrote:
I will be going to Maasai Mara (private conservation area) for two weeks next August, followed by a week in Tanzania. The Tanzania portion will be a combination of wildlife and landscape photography. This thread has been incredibly interesting and informative. Thank you to everyone for sharing your experience.

I am still working on a gear list. Just sold my A7R IIIA in order to buy a second A1. My E-mount lenses at this point include the Sony 200-600, Tamron 35-150, and Tamron 17-28. I was very happy with these lenses and two bodies (A1 and A7r IIIA) in Namibia. However,
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If you're going to be able to go out before sunrise and stay a bit after sunset, you may want to rent a 400 F2.8 or 600 F4



Nov 12, 2023 at 04:31 PM
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berimbolo wrote:
If you're going to be able to go out before sunrise and stay a bit after sunset, you may want to rent a 400 F2.8 or 600 F4


Ok - thanks. The guide for the Maasai Mara portion did mention that they have big prime lenses that can be rented. I will find out more about that.



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Abuttolph wrote:
Ok - thanks. The guide for the Maasai Mara portion did mention that they have big prime lenses that can be rented. I will find out more about that.


If they have E-mount primes available for rent, that would be very interesting to me. Can you please post here (or PM me) if that is the case?



Nov 12, 2023 at 04:42 PM
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berimbolo wrote:
If they have E-mount primes available for rent, that would be very interesting to me. Can you please post here (or PM me) if that is the case?


And for me as well!
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Nov 12, 2023 at 04:44 PM
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berimbolo wrote:
If they have E-mount primes available for rent, that would be very interesting to me. Can you please post here (or PM me) if that is the case?


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Bobg657 wrote:
And for me as well!
Bob


I just went back and reviewed the guide's website. He only mentions Canon and Nikon lenses for rent, unfortunately. Entim Camp (https://www.entim-mara.com) is where we will be staying the entire time and they have the gear for rent. I will email them and ask about Sony gear. They really seem to be set up well for photographers, so it is very possible that if they don't have Sony gear now that they may acquire some in the coming months. Will update to this thread with their answer - may take a day or two.




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