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I just returned last night from my 19-day camping safari in Botswana. The main locations we visited were Nxai Pan NP, Moremi Game Reserve, Khwai Concession Area, and Chobe NP. I can't find the words to describe the incredible experience. Where else can you awaken to see a lion walking through your campsite? Or have honey badgers chasing each other around your tent?

Thanks to those who have contributed to this thread with helpful information and equipment recommendations. I carried 2 Sony a1 cameras, a 200-600, and a 70-200/2.8. Only one morning and one evening did I wish I had my
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Great photos, Mitesh. Love the male lion of course. So hard to find one without scars or a cloud of flies swarming all over the eyes and nose.

Interesting that you found the 200-600 so useful. I was on Botswana in April, took my 400 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 along with other stuff. I find that the shutter speed is too low, esp for the birds and the smaller aperture of the big zoom requires high ISOs. Agreed, noise is less of an issue these days but it still is something to contend with.

No doubt though, the zoom is flexible and thus very useful. Thanks for sharing.




Aug 27, 2024 at 03:37 PM
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Thanks! This is exactly the kind of advice I am seeking.

Right now, I've got 3 groups who've put together itinerary.
Expert Africa - Person creating itinerary is not a photog and seems to be struggling.

Pangolin - Came back quickly with itinerary that pieced together their existing workshops. Includes dedicated photog guides and multi person vehicles but "everyone gets a window seat"

C4 Photo - skilled photographer creating itinerary for me. Guides are from the camps. I think this may be what you're describing.

C4 is the direction I'm leaning and your message has further supported that.

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Brett is spot on, as usual. Great advice.

I have done two trips with Pangolin, both to the Chobe and the Delta. They are very professional and their photo guides - usually there is always one on the boat - are superb. However, it is not a private safari and you will have a total of 8 people in the boat and 6 in the vehicle for game drives.

Expert Africa - I am doing a solo tour of Amboseli and the Mara in January for two weeks through them, but then I put it together and asked them to just do the logistics for me.

No experience with C4.

At the end of the day what matters is what kind of pictures you are able to take. At the same sighting you are much better off if you are alone in the vehicle. I cannot stress how important this is. It is expensive of course, around $400-500 per day, but you may stay for fewer days, and still get more out of the trip.

After years of traveling with world-renowned photographers - who have their own agendas, that's a separate story - I decided that the only way I am traveling on a safari is alone or with my wife, in a private vehicle, preferably in a conservancy.

The only caveat is that you obviously need to be experienced enough to make the most of your gear from a technical pov. The guides at these camps are so good that they will find the action and position the vehicle without your input. You just have to decide how long to stay at the sighting - although this may be governed by how popular it is and even in a conservancy you may be limited to just 15-20 mts at a time. Still, far, far better than the feeding frenzy of 25 or more cars all jostling for position to see the leopard or lion kill.

I've done many 8-10 day long safaris with famous photographers where you are in a vehicle with 2 other people - granted, you get a row all to yourself, but the position of the vehicle, the length you stay at the sighting, where to go are all decided by either the team leader -who wants the best photo for his own portfolio - or the alpha in the vehicle at the time. You spend $10K on such a trip and come back with good photos, yes, but you could do much better on your own, stay just 6 days and be your own boss. The first time I was able to do that it was an epiphany I had never experienced before.

We all have such limited time that it is, at least IMHO, even more important to utilize it to the maximum.

YOLO!




Aug 27, 2024 at 04:00 PM
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Primus wrote:
Brett is spot on, as usual. Great advice.

I have done two trips with Pangolin, both to the Chobe and the Delta. They are very professional and their photo guides - usually there is always one on the boat - are superb. However, it is not a private safari and you will have a total of 8 people in the boat and 6 in the vehicle for game drives.

Expert Africa - I am doing a solo tour of Amboseli and the Mara in January for two weeks through them, but then I put it together and asked them to
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I feel like our experiences have been nearly identical. I travelled on several photo tours with a renowned photographer/guide before venturing on my own private trips. There were some benefits with the tour. The pro I travelled with was very friendly and is an incredibly talented photographer and I did come away with tips and tricks that improved my images. Having someone in the vehicle who would snap you out of your tunnel vision and encourage you try different things with regards to composition was nice. Also, his experience did help with anticipating what the wildlife were about to do and this helped us be ready to capture the moment.

That said, even with like minded people in the vehicle, there are a lot of compromises. You're stuck in your row/seat and often can't quite get the angle you'd like. Decisions on what sighting to pursue or how long to stay at a scene are largely out of your hands as it's majority (or most obnoxious) rules. If you're not a birder and you have a few in the vehicle, you'll soon become frustrated with how much time you've spent stopped for that when you're still hoping for your first big cat.

My first fully private tour was a revelation. Just me and the driver/guide, free to do whatever we liked. You get to know each other well and I think they appreciate the simplicity of only one guest to manage. If you're a patient photographer, life is actually easier for them. They aren't racing around because you want to tick boxes. You're happy to put in the time for that great sighting which is typically their preference as well. The following two hunts I witnessed because in both cases, I spent half the day waiting for them. In that time vehicles came and went, snapping a shot of a lazy looking leopard or cheetah and moving on. When the action finally happened, I was alone in both cases. I'll only ever go on private tours from now on.













I watched this topi give birth while two cheetah brothers watched from a distance. Neither the mother nor its baby lived another hour. One brother took the mother down while the other grabbed the newborn. To top it all off, a lioness heard the commotion and stole the kill from both of them shortly after.













After resting all afternoon, this leopard emerged from a bush to snatch this young red lechwe from its mother in the nearby marsh. It was chaos as she splashed in the water, attempting to take the mother and then settling for the baby. She toyed with the baby in the tree for some time, trying to lure the mother out of the water. It was heartbreaking to listen to the lechwe's cries as the leopard batted it around in the tree.

I don't think I would have had either sighting if I were not on my own. Or, at the very least, I would have had to luck out much more.



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reading these accounts of folks frustrated with being part of a small group on photo safari...That is exactly why Deborah and I rent a 4WD and do the driving/exploring ourselves. So much more fun to be chased down the road by a rhino when I am the one driving (Etosha); or stopping for however long (and wherever) we want. I can position the vehicle any way I want.

We save money (and do multiple weeks per safari)...and never wait for a tip.

Perhaps if walking safaris were not as expensive we might try those. For now, we are enjoying the adventures we design, and then navigate ourselves.







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I feel like our experiences have been nearly identical. I travelled on several photo tours with a renowned photographer/guide before venturing on my own private trips. There were some benefits with the tour. The pro I travelled with was very friendly and is an incredibly talented photographer and I did come away with tips and tricks that improved my images. Having someone in the vehicle who would snap you out of your tunnel vision and encourage you try different things with regards to composition was nice. Also, his experience did help with anticipating what the wildlife were about to do
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Wow, talk about action and opportunity! Lovely photos, really what we all hope to see and capture.

I think you had a better pro guiding you. I've toured with several different pros, both here in the US and in Africa. One person of International fame would yell at you if you moved while he was taking the shot and there was ZERO guiding during the sightings or at any time in the field. You did what you knew to do, that's all. However, some have been exceptionally helpful, denying themselves the shot in order for you to get yours.

Your pictures above speak volumes about the absolute pleasure it is to be alone in the vehicle. Other than perhaps to travel together and for the company, I would never go with any other photographer again.



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reading these accounts of folks frustrated with being part of a small group on photo safari...That is exactly why Deborah and I rent a 4WD and do the driving/exploring ourselves. So much more fun to be chased down the road by a rhino when I am the one driving (Etosha); or stopping for however long (and wherever) we want. I can position the vehicle any way I want.

We save money (and do multiple weeks per safari)...and never wait for a tip.

Perhaps if walking safaris were not as expensive we might try those. For now, we are enjoying the adventures
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Great photo, thanks for sharing. Your experience reminds me so much of the Owens' hair-raising narrative in 'Cry of the Kalahari'.

I wish I was a couple of decades younger and fitter, perhaps would do my own safari. However, some places do not allow private vehicles of your own - typically the conservancies in Kenya.

Great to be able to go whenever and for however long. Again, YOLO.




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I, too, go on safaris solo because of my Big Cat young cub focus but truth be told, the carry on weight police always stresses me out before each trip. When I use to travel with a buddy, it was easier to hide some of the weight; i.e., by leaving stuffed jackets in each other’s cart, etc. I’ve had many close calls, so am now starting to fly Premium Comfort (or Biz when I have points) to help ease some of the hassles. But now with the new EU carrying on rules starting on Sept. 1st, I’m wondering if the EU airlines will clamp down on us even more? In my case, it’s KLM. If I downsize to an unpadded TT Advantage (from the XL) and reluctantly leave my 500mm behind, I might get close to the new weight/size limits should the rules be enforced. Is anyone else concerned or am I overreacting? Also, I hope that others continue to share their airline feedback/tips going forward.

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I, too, go on safaris solo because of my Big Cat young cub focus but truth be told, the carry on weight police always stresses me out before each trip. When I use to travel with a buddy, it was easier to hide some of the weight; i.e., by leaving stuffed jackets in each other’s cart, etc. I’ve had many close calls, so am now starting to fly Premium Economy (or Biz when I have points) to help ease some of the hassles. But now with the new EU carrying on rules starting on Sept. 1st, I’m wondering if the
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Chris, skip the EU. Fly Qatar Airways from LAX/SFO non-stop to Doha and connect right to JRO. Fantastic service and they won't jerk you around about your carryon baggage.



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I feel like our experiences have been nearly identical. I travelled on several photo tours with a renowned photographer/guide before venturing on my own private trips. There were some benefits with the tour. The pro I travelled with was very friendly and is an incredibly talented photographer and I did come away with tips and tricks that improved my images. Having someone in the vehicle who would snap you out of your tunnel vision and encourage you try different things with regards to composition was nice. Also, his experience did help with anticipating what the wildlife were about to do
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Great photos and as you pointed out, sometimes it can be really heartbreaking.

In all the years of traveling to TZ I have never done a tour--it's always just been me and my driver/guide who is now a good friend. We'll plan our visit to a general area but we keep it loose enough to adjust what we want to do each day. I don't follow a set itenerary per se. I've visited TZ enough that I can certainly drive on my own but I enjoy visiting with my friend.

For South Africa, Bots, etc. I self drive and just take it day by day. During my last trip to Kruger, my wife and watched a pack of 10-12 wild dogs hunt impala for close to 2 hours by ourselves--which was awesome. Although they weren't successful they did make a young female leopard's morning. She was sleeping in a nearby tree and before we knew it she was on the ground and took out an impala right in front of us (see picture below) that the dogs had sent her way.

Here's a few photos (big cats) that I would have never been able to take if I had been on a group trip.







Tarangire National Park, Tanzania







Ndutu, Tanzania







Kruger National Park, S.A.







Kruger National Park, S.A.




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I, too, go on safaris solo because of my Big Cat young cub focus but truth be told, the carry on weight police always stresses me out before each trip. When I use to travel with a buddy, it was easier to hide some of the weight; i.e., by leaving stuffed jackets in each other’s cart, etc. I’ve had many close calls, so am now starting to fly Premium Economy (or Biz when I have points) to help ease some of the hassles. But now with the new EU carrying on rules starting on Sept. 1st, I’m wondering if the
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I fly KLM to J'burg and Nairobi because I'm based near Amsterdam and never had any problems with my hand luggage, even when it used to weigh about 14kg's. My bag is quite compact though (commuter), but I also carry a TT laptop bag. Allows me to bring 2x R5's (one with grip), 400 2.8, both extenders, 100-500, 70-200 and a small compact 28mm, plus macbook air and of course accessoires like batteries, charger, e-reader, etc.

And travelling solo vs in a (photo) group: both can offer incredible viewings and definitely the shots shown by Robert can be taken on group trips as well, as long as they're photo-dedicated. For instance, on the Mara trips I've done as a photo host, we just decided to go out all day, and whenever we feel there's a chance of photographing something special, we're willing to invest a few hours of waiting time if we feel it might pay off. Of course, begin just by yourself or with only your guide, you do have even more freedom about what to do



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Is there any advantage of taking UWA? My trip isn't photography focused (as it is hunting focused) but I'll be doing a lot of it as being the dedicated "observer". I'm planning to take Z8, 24-120 F4 (instead of Tammy 35-150) and 180-600. I also picked up Sony RX10 IV as a backup/video focused camera. So I'm wondering should I also take Nikon 14-30 F4 or take 50/1.4 instead, for low light?


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Great photos and as you pointed out, sometimes it can be really heartbreaking.

In all the years of traveling to TZ I have never done a tour--it's always just been me and my driver/guide who is now a good friend. We'll plan our visit to a general area but we keep it loose enough to adjust what we want to do each day. I don't follow a set itenerary per se. I've visited TZ enough that I can certainly drive on my own but I enjoy visiting with my friend.

For South Africa, Bots, etc. I self drive and just
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Awesome photos! And I agree, much more difficult to get these in a group unless the people in the vehicle with you are just as committed and equally important, absolutely accommodating of each other's needs. That can only happen with photo buddies that are never in competition with each other.

I've only ever been to TZ once and it was a nightmare with the fellow traveler I was with. Would love to go again. Perhaps I will get the details of your friend if he is willing to take me on as a client.



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I, too, go on safaris solo because of my Big Cat young cub focus but truth be told, the carry on weight police always stresses me out before each trip. When I use to travel with a buddy, it was easier to hide some of the weight; i.e., by leaving stuffed jackets in each other’s cart, etc. I’ve had many close calls, so am now starting to fly Premium Economy (or Biz when I have points) to help ease some of the hassles. But now with the new EU carrying on rules starting on Sept. 1st, I’m wondering if the
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It is indeed getting worse. However, what annoys me even more is how all the EU carriers now charge for seat selection unless you happen to have significant status with their FF club. On my next trip on BA, even in Club, I would end up paying $600 for seat selection ($150 per leg on a round trip). That is such a rip off, there should be a class-action lawsuit against all of them.

With all US carriers, for every fare class except basic economy, seat selection is included in the price.



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Awesome photos! And I agree, much more difficult to get these in a group unless the people in the vehicle with you are just as committed and equally important, absolutely accommodating of each other's needs. That can only happen with photo buddies that are never in competition with each other.

I've only ever been to TZ once and it was a nightmare with the fellow traveler I was with. Would love to go again. Perhaps I will get the details of your friend if he is willing to take me on as a client.


Absolutely - feel free to PM me whenever you like. He's a great guy... knows animal behavior well, locations and nearly all the rangers and everyone in between.



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Is there any advantage of taking UWA? My trip isn't photography focused (as it is hunting focused) but I'll be doing a lot of it as being the dedicated "observer". I'm planning to take Z8, 24-120 F4 (instead of Tammy 35-150) and 180-600. I also picked up Sony RX10 IV as a backup/video focused camera. So I'm wondering should I also take Nikon 14-30 F4 or take 50/1.4 instead, for low light?


Personally I don't bother with the UWA. For anything wide I use my iPhone.



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robert_in_ca wrote:
Absolutely - feel free to PM me whenever you like. He's a great guy... knows animal behavior well, locations and nearly all the rangers and everyone in between.


Primus and Robert, I know you both and you guys are in good hands with each other. I would love to see Primus benefit from Robert's connection in TZ.



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I fly KLM to J'burg and Nairobi because I'm based near Amsterdam and never had any problems with my hand luggage, even when it used to weigh about 14kg's. My bag is quite compact though (commuter), but I also carry a TT laptop bag. Allows me to bring 2x R5's (one with grip), 400 2.8, both extenders, 100-500, 70-200 and a small compact 28mm, plus macbook air and of course accessoires like batteries, charger, e-reader, etc.

And travelling solo vs in a (photo) group: both can offer incredible viewings and definitely the shots shown by Robert can be taken on group
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You're total right, people can get photos like I posted while being in groups but what the pictures don't convey is the experience of being with them for an extended period of time.

For example, the photo of the cheetah was an incredible experience - we slowly followed her and spent well over an hour with her, to the point that she got use to us. So much so that she walked over to the car and then down the dirt road in front of us to get to the other side a small body of water and to position herself behind some impala. I mean she was 2-3 feet from us before she went full sprint mode after the impala. That experience, like the pack of wild dogs hunting, would not have been possible with a large number of vehicles at a sighting or with a group where people want to keep moving.



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Is there any advantage of taking UWA? My trip isn't photography focused (as it is hunting focused) but I'll be doing a lot of it as being the dedicated "observer". I'm planning to take Z8, 24-120 F4 (instead of Tammy 35-150) and 180-600. I also picked up Sony RX10 IV as a backup/video focused camera. So I'm wondering should I also take Nikon 14-30 F4 or take 50/1.4 instead, for low light?


If Nikon has an equivalent of the tiny Canon RF 16mm I would take it. There are some cool trees and landscapes to shoot in the bush.



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For Tanzania - how about a Maasai guy (Isaac Kilusu) who is the best birder in Tanzania...who grew up helping herd cattle in Ngorongoro Crater (and chasing lions for fun - but not elephants). Isaac is primarily a birder - but knows mammals and how/where to find them throughout Tanzania. And he is a long-time bird photographer and scientist (bird recordings on Xeno-Canto). Yes he can get Safari vehicles and design a trip for you - as he has done for so many people...

We helped design his web site: https://www.villageweaverbirding.com/

This is how he describes himself: https://www.orniverse.com/author-profile/282/isaac-kilusu

And here is what Deborah and I have to say about him: "We highly (highly) recommend hiring Isaac as a guide in Tanzania. Why? He is a Maasai guy (speaks perfect English, Swahili and the Ma language), and grew up walking the Serengeti area before (and after) going to school. In other words, Isaac knows the ways of birds intimately...indeed as a boy he won a contest for protecting a bird's nest near his home - and thus began his lifelong love of birds. These days he makes recordings of bird calls/songs (check Xeno-Canto - many/most of the bird calls recorded in Tanzania are his contributions). He has been bird guiding for several years now and will make your life so much easier because (a) he knows all the parks and best places to find birds; (b) he knows the non-park areas throughout the country (and especially in the northern circuit including Zanzibar all the way west to Lake Victoria)...so instead of you and your group spending hours looking around, Isaac will take you to exact locations to find the species you want and the best birding areas; (c) Isaac will regale you with stories of encountering elephants, lions and everything else in the wild - as he did in his younger years (do you know how to tell a right handed elephant from a left handed elephant? Do you know how/why even young Maasai boys chase away lions? Isaac will tell you so many fun stories - having lived that life); (d) he will solve your logistical problems such as the best places to stay (for the least amount of money); how to get the best rental car deal (and he has associates who have safari vehicles and can drive if you ask - we recommend that option as well); and where to eat the best local food...restaurant food...and how to deal with the numerous roadside police who will stop you while driving. Overall he will save you money and time...as well as being the most fun/knowledgeable person you could have to be with you or your group. Did we mention that Isaac knows how to ID all the Tanzanian birds...the endemics...the special species...and he will use sound to bring them in for good looks (and photos)? We cannot recommend him highly enough - and if you have never experienced Maasai culture - Isaac is the man to show you just how special these people are. 100% positive experience - I have a PhD and have run bird tours for many years (and have done much international and USA research on birds with lots of publications). All I can say is that every country should have an Isaac Kilusu. There are lots of people in Tanzania who will claim to be bird guides and happily take your funds. Isaac is special: honest, smart, kind, curious - and so helpful. He just got married and his wife is about to have a baby - so any business you can provide him with benefits an entire family...and his tribe."

Deborah Allen and Robert DeCandido PhD





Isaac in tan; Deborah Allen and the Bob




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