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I agree... however most people who do so do not know how to drive a vehicle when around animals--especially large mammals like elephants. I would always recommend people who want to self drive actually hire a guide to go with them--especially if they haven't driven on safari before.


Ha! I think he meant to pay for your own vehicle instead of self drive but I could be wrong. Agreed it would be a mess if inexperienced people tried to self drive out there.



Mar 06, 2025 at 11:11 AM
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Pangolin Chobe Report Part 1:
The only downside was that the vehicle on the game drives was a little tight. You are in a group of 8 at this safari and having two people in each row makes it challenging to maneuver and catch every shot, especially with a big super-telephoto lens. They had beanbags on each seat that would raise up and down. This was handy for distant shots, or shooting up into the trees. When trying to get low, I hung over the side and it was a little bit awkward, but I was able to do this successfully
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Which Pangolin package did you do?

I've read about a few on their website, and they said things like "two game viewers (four on each)", "you will have the use of a private game viewer" and "in custom vehicles with a maximum of three guests and one host in each", so I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) to hear about the crowding you experienced. Maybe it varies depending on the package/location.



Mar 06, 2025 at 03:17 PM
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Which Pangolin package did you do?


I did the "long stay special" at Pangolin Chobe hotel. They also had another group doing the "best of the Chobe" trip, which consists of 3 days on a house boat on the Chobe river and 3 days at the lodge. From what I saw, they utilized the same vehicle for all the game drives at the hotel. I think they may have a different vehicle setup at some of their other locations, but I've never been to know for sure.

This is a shot of the inside of the vehicle from the third row. The last row was 3 seats and we only used two

Untitled by Daniel, on Flickr


The front row was the best, but I didn't want to be rude and only took it on one of the game drives. The front windshield folds down and they would always put it down when in the park.



Mar 06, 2025 at 04:44 PM
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Great Trip. Amboseli, Samburu, Masai Mara, Lewa, Shompole
More pics later

Shompole Hide, Kenya, 2/19/25
R5 MkII, RF 100-300 f/2.8
100mm 1/60 f/3.2 ISO1250

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54350160940_3ef62486a7_5k.jpgwe get thirsty too-3 by Alan Kefauver, on Flickr

Caught some motion blur on the little gu, but I'll try to fix it later.


It seems like there's a lot of people here interested in reviews of Pangolin experiences. Were all your destinations above with Pangolin and did they pack their safari vehicles with 6+ people like they did with 40Drigg's Chobe experience?

You mentioned Lewa was the highlight for you, what did you like about Lewa?



Mar 06, 2025 at 04:55 PM
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I have to say 6 photographers in a vehicle would absolutely not work for me. Four max, 3 is better and that is only if everyone is on the same page about what to shoot.... and that doesn't happen all that often. And having birders in the vehicle along with people who want to focus on mammals... I could see blows being thrown.


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Visually Oriented wrote:
I have to say 6 photographers in a vehicle would absolutely not work for me. Four max, 3 is better and that is only if everyone is on the same page about what to shoot.... and that doesn't happen all that often. And having birders in the vehicle along with people who want to focus on mammals... I could see blows being thrown.


To be honest have been with 6 people in a jeep its fine as long as everyone is chill, l’m lucky as am always with my wife
The last trip we did was a mixture of birders and people like ourselves into big cats got frustrated when a birder insisted on asking the guide to help him ID every little brown bird that we came across, luckily we were able to swap jeeps



Mar 07, 2025 at 08:37 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
It seems like there's a lot of people here interested in reviews of Pangolin experiences. Were all your destinations above with Pangolin and did they pack their safari vehicles with 6+ people like they did with 40Drigg's Chobe experience?

You mentioned Lewa was the highlight for you, what did you like about Lewa?


I'll add mine too.

I've been to Botswana 3 times, twice with Pangolin. Both times stayed at the hotel in Kasane and also at the House Boat.

FWIW, the house boat is being replaced by a new one that is only slightly bigger but apparently much better laid out. This may happen before the end of 2025 or it may already be in place.

The hotel is nice, great rooms, nice showers and beds, food is decent but nothing special. The staff is wonderful and very friendly, a necessity with these places I imagine.

You do boat trips on the river and also game drives in the CNP when you are at the hotel. The photo boat is the same whether you are staying on land or the water and is very well designed as mentioned.

The game drives are in their own vehicles, yes, with 6 people in a jeep and all that it entails. I never found the game drives to be that productive although there are a great many animals there - the park is just so big, it is almost 8 (yes, 8) times the Mara reserve. Therefore there are things that you may not see anywhere else that easily. For example, we saw a large herd of Roan galloping past our vehicle on their way to the river, with young calves and all. I have at most seen one or two of these beautiful creatures before, always at a distance. So while it may be your lucky day, again, it may not. Being a national park there is no off-roading so that's frustrating as well.

The river is another story. I would recommend staying on the house boat at least 2 nights if not 3 (their usual package) so that you can see the Namibian side of the river too where the boat will be parked for one or two nights (you have to go through an immigration check point for this, no visa required for US citizens).

The photo boat experience is unparalleled for sure, you get really close to the wildlife, including kingfishers and such, elephants chewing on the grass by the river banks and if you are lucky you may also see lions by the water. It is something you don't get to do anywhere in East Africa, so it is special. The boat driver is exceptionally good at getting you close.

Each group is led by one professional photographer who is either a Pangolin employee or someone hired by them for the duration (as was in our case). These guys are truly wonderful, very experienced and fully dedicated to your welfare. While they will also take pictures, they never get in your way and are always there to help and guide. Something I have a pet peeve with is when a team leader who you pay to take you on these workshops uses you to get his/her own portfolio padded up. Not so here, which is great. Even though I've been to Africa around a dozen times, I found this professional to be very helpful in his comments and guiding. Shooting from a boat low on the water is a new experience and having somebody who has been there before is very valuable.

we also did an extension to the Okavango delta and the Kalahari on both of my tours, but that was not a pangolin arrangement and in the end was less than stellar.

So yes, I vote for Pangolin hotel and houseboat, with the understanding that expectations might be exceeded or not, depending on your own experience but overall it is a worthwhile trip for sure.



Mar 07, 2025 at 05:32 PM
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Pangolin,

Amboseli, Samburu, Masai Mara.
Always 3 people per Land Cruiser.
Each person had their own Row.

Chobe, 8 to a boat each with own pivoting seat and gimbal.
Chobe Land Game Drive, 3 to a LC or even 2 a few times.

Kalihari and Dinaka, we each had out own seat row.

Had this either on the seat next to me or on the floor between seats, depending on the vehicle. Never had two in a row.

Africa Bag on the seat by Alan Kefauver, on Flickr

Liked Lewa for the variety of terrain and animals. I.e. Gerenuk and Grevey Zebras.



Mar 08, 2025 at 08:39 AM
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40Driggs wrote:
I did the "long stay special" at Pangolin Chobe hotel. They also had another group doing the "best of the Chobe" trip, which consists of 3 days on a house boat on the Chobe river and 3 days at the lodge. From what I saw, they utilized the same vehicle for all the game drives at the hotel. I think they may have a different vehicle setup at some of their other locations, but I've never been to know for sure.

This is a shot of the inside of the vehicle from the third row. The last row was 3 seats
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Who was your Photo Host?



Mar 08, 2025 at 08:50 AM
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Who was your Photo Host?


I had Walter as my photo host. I thought he did a great job and was very knowledgeable.



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40Driggs wrote:
I had Walter as my photo host. I thought he did a great job and was very knowledgeable.


I have been with:
Charl,
Sabine.
Gutz,
Jeanine,
Will,
Nellis,
and Andy

Never had more than I person per row.



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Alan Kefauver wrote:
I have been with:
Charl,
Sabine.
Gutz,
Jeanine,
Will,
Nellis,
and Andy

Never had more than I person per row.


That's interesting. There were only two groups of 8 when I was there, and for a couple days it was just my group of 8. Every group went out with 8 in the vehicle while I was there. Photo host and driver were in the front and then there were three rows of two and last row had 3 seats, but only 2 people in the row.

I also got to meet Karolina and she sat with my group for brunch one day. She's very friendly and also shoots Sony, so we talked about gear a lot. She's new to Pangolin and was hosting the group on the houseboat tour and arrived the day before.



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Anyone have recommendations for particular spots in the South African portion of the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park? I will be on a self-drive trip in Namibia in a few months and we are planning to go into the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park through the Mata Mata gate for one day. Any wildlife that we see will be welcome and of course, the big cats are of particular interest. If we could see and hopefully photograph cheetah hunts, that would really top things off nicely, although I certainly understand that there is no guarantee.

In addition to particular spots, any other recommendations or advice would be welcomed.



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Here are a few photos. Still a lot to go through.

lbr color showcase by Daniel, on Flickr


elephant trio by Daniel, on Flickr


hippo cruising by Daniel, on Flickr


kudu hilltop pose by Daniel, on Flickr


jackal approach by Daniel, on Flickr


drooling male by Daniel, on Flickr



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A while back I asked for some advice if I should bring the 70-200 or 100-500 along with the 400 2.8 on a wildlife trip. As suggested here I took the 70-200 and I'm happy I did!

It challenged me to make some different choices, and shoot a bit wider than I normally do, which ended up with more creative shots than 'just' the close-ups that I also enjoy taking. Also, it made sure this time I properly got the entire leopard in that was climbing down a tree. (usually with the 100-500 I have the tendency to fill the whole frame, often resulting in cropping out a tail or something)

Here's some I like:

































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Hi Abutolph,

Mata Mata has only 2 access roads, one from Namibia, straight into the Camp. 1 Road out that splits to the left about 5-6 Km out of the camp to 1 waterhole. This road connects again to the main road 3-4 kilometers further on, 2 water holes close to the road. Further south the road splits, one to Nossob camp and the other one down to Twee Rivieren camp and the gate out of Kgalagadi.

Expect Springbok, Wildebeest, Gemsbok, Zebras and small game. Ground birds like Ostrich and Kori bustards. All most active early morning and late afternoon. You might be lucky with predators like lions, cheetah and African wild cats. One day is a very short time!

I hope this helps!

Regards,

Ben



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Abuttolph wrote:
Anyone have recommendations for particular spots in the South African portion of the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park? I will be on a self-drive trip in Namibia in a few months and we are planning to go into the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park through the Mata Mata gate for one day. Any wildlife that we see will be welcome and of course, the big cats are of particular interest. If we could see and hopefully photograph cheetah hunts, that would really top things off nicely, although I certainly understand that there is no guarantee.

In addition to particular spots, any other recommendations or advice
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If you are coming in and leaving through the same gate then your only real option is to drive south from Mata Mata and then return. The drive is along a river bed so there are waterholes every 10km or so. If you are leaving via Twee Rivieren then you can cut across the middle to the Botswana side but just ask at Mata Mata where the animals are when you get there.

Check the map here.

https://www.sanparks.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Kgalagadi_map.pdf

They have had a lot of rain recently so that can mean the game stays up in the dunes. Check out the Kgalagadi Sightings on Facebook - you might get some idea of where the cats are when it gets closer to the time.



Mar 13, 2025 at 05:53 AM
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Sanlameer wrote:
Hi Abutolph,

Mata Mata has only 2 access roads, one from Namibia, straight into the Camp. 1 Road out that splits to the left about 5-6 Km out of the camp to 1 waterhole. This road connects again to the main road 3-4 kilometers further on, 2 water holes close to the road. Further south the road splits, one to Nossob camp and the other one down to Twee Rivieren camp and the gate out of Kgalagadi.

Expect Springbok, Wildebeest, Gemsbok, Zebras and small game. Ground birds like Ostrich and Kori bustards. All most active early morning and late afternoon. You might
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Zebra ?? no zebra there.

add a few others though... eland, hartebeest, giraffe, hyena, all kinds of vultures, bateleur, tawny eagles, martial eagles, lanner falcons, goshawk, sandgrouse, doves, finches etc. A birders paradise especially if you are after them in flight or hunting.




















































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Sanlameer wrote:
Hi Abutolph,

Mata Mata has only 2 access roads, one from Namibia, straight into the Camp. 1 Road out that splits to the left about 5-6 Km out of the camp to 1 waterhole. This road connects again to the main road 3-4 kilometers further on, 2 water holes close to the road. Further south the road splits, one to Nossob camp and the other one down to Twee Rivieren camp and the gate out of Kgalagadi.

Expect Springbok, Wildebeest, Gemsbok, Zebras and small game. Ground birds like Ostrich and Kori bustards. All most active early morning and late afternoon. You might
...Show more

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duncangr wrote:
If you are coming in and leaving through the same gate then your only real option is to drive south from Mata Mata and then return. The drive is along a river bed so there are waterholes every 10km or so. If you are leaving via Twee Rivieren then you can cut across the middle to the Botswana side but just ask at Mata Mata where the animals are when you get there.

Check the map here.

https://www.sanparks.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Kgalagadi_map.pdf

They have had a lot of rain recently so that can mean the game stays up in the dunes. Check out the Kgalagadi Sightings on
...Show more

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duncangr wrote:
Zebra ?? no zebra there.

add a few others though... eland, hartebeest, giraffe, hyena, all kinds of vultures, bateleur, tawny eagles, martial eagles, lanner falcons, goshawk, sandgrouse, doves, finches etc. A birders paradise especially if you are after them in flight or hunting.

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DG1_20240715_1_3768_DxD.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Jackal-240728/DGB_20240728_1_8887_1_DxO_16x9.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240717_1_6806_DxD.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240725_1_8829_DxD.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240710_1_5854_M_DxD.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240723_1_4509_DxD.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240724_1_3325_1_DxO_16x9.jpg

https://duncangroenewald.com/img/photos/2024-07/Desktop-Kgalagadi-2024/DGB_20240724_1_3276_DxO_16x9.jpg



Thanks everyone for the information. It is very helpful indeed. Since posting my initial question, I have been doing some research and obtained some additional information. I agree - one day is a short time. It is unfortunate, but having this day in the park was not in the initial plan for the trip. However, now I am thinking that it will provide a taste of what is there and provide incentive for a future trip in which a much longer time can be spent in the park.

We will be entering from the Mata Mata gate for a day visit as we are staying in the Kalahari Game Lodge in Namibia. We will definitely ask about locations of animals when we arrive at the park. An initial plan at this point is to spend the morning at various spots along the river bed and stop at Kamqua picnic site for lunch. Then, if time permits, continue along the road for a while longer before turning around and heading back to make sure that we are through the park gate before it closes.

Duncan - your shots are incredible! Thanks so much for posting those. Your images are heightening my anticipation of going there. Your images lead me to another question. Right now, I am planning on taking my 70-200mm and my 300mm with the 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverters. Is 600mm long enough? Your bird images are phenomenal and had me questioning whether or not I will have enough reach.



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Thanks everyone for the information. It is very helpful indeed. Since posting my initial question, I have been doing some research and obtained some additional information. I agree - one day is a short time. It is unfortunate, but having this day in the park was not in the initial plan for the trip. However, now I am thinking that it will provide a taste of what is there and provide incentive for a future trip in which a much longer time can be spent in the park.

We will be entering from the Mata Mata gate for a day visit
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If it was my first visit I would take something more flexible like a 200-600 + 1.4TC or a 400-800. 600 can often be a little short and occasionally too long

However 600mm is probably a good place to be if you are stuck with a prime but I think you will more often than not want longer rather than shorter. So a 600 + 1.4TC would be my preference over a 300 + 1.4tc.

Only thing worse than being too short is being too long

My ideal setup for this park is:

A9iii for the fast action with focal length of 400 - 840mm depending on subject/location. So any lens will work e.g. 200-600+1.4TC, 400-800 or for best IQ but more difficult the 300 + 1.4TC or 2xtc, 600f4 or 600+1.4tc. Note that the A1 will struggle with some of the really fast action.

A7r5 for everything else with any of the lenses - landscape (16-35f4), big game, small bird stills, big birds stills and BIF. The IQ from this camera is quite astounding and AF is more than good enough for the big raptors.

Swallow-tailed Bee-eater (A7r5 + 200-600)







A7R5 + 600 f/4

























16-35f/4PZ



















Having said that the A9iii with 24mp is not half bad when you can fill the frame

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