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Official Nikon 400/2.8S image thread + some discussions

  
 
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Just bringing this thread back onto page one...
Still loving how this lens renders wildlife subjects.





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Apr 13, 2025 at 06:38 PM
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Foxes...
Working to break my own patterns...

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Apr 15, 2025 at 06:12 PM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
Foxes...
Working to break my own patterns...

bruce



Bruce, these are gorgeous. If those were my images they would be sent to my large format printer as a 24x36



Apr 15, 2025 at 07:15 PM
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Bruce, these are gorgeous. If those were my images they would be sent to my large format printer as a 24x36


Thank you very much...
I've been shooting for so long, that I'm tired of making the "safe" image. After 4 decades of photography, I've decided to spend more time letting my heart decide how to process my work rather that worrying about the audience... If I let myself take risks, I sincerely believe that I will push some creative limits that I often tend to suppress.

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OwlsEyes wrote:
Foxes...
Working to break my own patterns...

bruce



That first one, with the warm, glowing light is a killer and as Creative Edge stated - I'd be printing that one large-and-in-charge!



Apr 15, 2025 at 08:33 PM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
Thank you very much...
I've been shooting for so long, that I'm tired of making the "safe" image. After 4 decades of photography, I've decided to spend more time letting my heart decide how to process my work rather that worrying about the audience... If I let myself take risks, I sincerely believe that I will push some creative limits that I often tend to suppress.

bruce


Bruce, keep it up... love the direction you are heading in



Apr 15, 2025 at 09:45 PM
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That first one, with the warm, glowing light is a killer and as Creative Edge stated - I'd be printing that one large-and-in-charge!


Thank you very much



Apr 15, 2025 at 10:50 PM
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Great images!!
I see so much "lens comparing" based on pixel peeping sharpness on test charts, that you would forget what makes a great lens.
The dynamic range, as well as the subtleties in shades and tones, this lens offers is far above the slow F6.3 lenses, add to that the realistic OOF rendering, very close to bare human vision. Meaning that many images from this lens don't immediately force the notion on me that I am looking at "an image", but something much closer resembling looking through high end binoculars, conjuring a sense of actually being at the scene.

Also, the colors from this lens are very natural.



Apr 16, 2025 at 02:59 AM
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ChrisMak wrote:
Great images!!
I see so much "lens comparing" based on pixel peeping sharpness on test charts, that you would forget what makes a great lens.
The dynamic range, as well as the subtleties in shades and tones, this lens offers is far above the slow F6.3 lenses, add to that the realistic OOF rendering, very close to bare human vision. Meaning that many images from this lens don't immediately force the notion on me that I am looking at "an image", but something much closer resembling looking through high end binoculars, conjuring a sense of actually being at the scene.

Also, the
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Chris,
I don't know if this comment is a response to my work, or the 400mm TC in general. Regardless of the intent, I agree with you completely. I have found that the 400TC allows me to share a simultaneously unique and familiar take on the nature subjects I see. The fast aperture and moderate compression makes my subjects pop. In addition, with a wide open f/2.8 maximum aperture, I am able to shoot earlier in the day or when the light seems to be uncompromising.

cheers,
bruce



Apr 16, 2025 at 04:06 PM
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Chris,
I don't know if this comment is a response to my work, or the 400mm TC in general. Regardless of the intent, I agree with you completely. I have found that the 400TC allows me to share a simultaneously unique and familiar take on the nature subjects I see. The fast aperture and moderate compression makes my subjects pop. In addition, with a wide open f/2.8 maximum aperture, I am able to shoot earlier in the day or when the light seems to be uncompromising.

cheers,
bruce


Your images for sure do justice to the qualities of this lens Bruce!
I enjoy browsing the Z400TC image threads here and on flickr, and of course the lens has to fit your needs, I know that.
I went to Costa Rica last year, a first time in the tropics for me, and in specific the tropical forsest.
I had the Sony 200-600G that I bought especially for this trip (left the 600GM at home) and although it worked very well and reliable on the A1 (most of the shots need good noise reduction obviously), it was not a lens that I would take again.

My lens of choice for such a trip would be the Z400TC, a 600mm 4 is véry unpractical on such a trip.
I saw many images taken in tropical forests from this lens and they shine. Also the built-in TC would be a godsend, giving you f2.8 whenever close enough, but also giving that bit of reach that is often neccessary with birding.
It is not financially realistic in the coming years, unless I switch from my Sony gear which I am not ready to do just yet, but I plan to vist more tropical forests in future, and may switch in the end, giving up the 600mm prime.

I also hope Sony will make a 400GMTC, but there are no signs of that, and I like the images from the Z400TC a lot more than what I see from the current Sony 400/2.8



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ChrisMak wrote:
Your images for sure do justice to the qualities of this lens Bruce!
I enjoy browsing the Z400TC image threads here and on flickr, and of course the lens has to fit your needs, I know that.
I went to Costa Rica last year, a first time in the tropics for me, and in specific the tropical forsest.
I had the Sony 200-600G that I bought especially for this trip (left the 600GM at home) and although it worked very well and reliable on the A1 (most of the shots need good noise reduction obviously), it was not a lens that I would
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Thanks Chris..
I've been to the tropics on many occasions... Specifically, I've been to Costa Rica 10 times to make photographs, teach, and lead students research trips. I've tried to make photography a part of all of these trips whenever it was possible and appropriate. I've used 300mm f4 lenses, 300mm f2.8 lenses, 100-400, 200-400 f4, 200-500 f5.6, and 500 f5.6 lenses on my trips. My last visit to Costa Rica was in 2019, and I did not trust my mirrorless Z6 to this task, as the AF was not mature. I am hoping to return within the next two years and will definitely bring my 400mm f2.8 instead of the 180-600. In fact, I have a 180-600 that I rarely use and will likely sell it in the coming days. Because I have a 100-400 and find that it takes a 1.4x in a pinch, the 180-600 is redundant.

Light in the canopy can be a challenge and the f2.8 maximum aperture is beneficial in places like Costa Rica. However, I think it is the shallow depth of field and the ability to blur distracting foreground branches that is the most important feature of the lens. Having been there, you probably know that if you are photographing wild birds and mammals in their habitat as opposed to feeder sets, it is challenging to create an image free of distractions. While it is great to get that perfect photo of a toucan on a mossy log, anyone who has spent time in the tropics knows that this is a fake situation. Toucans and tanagers don't hang out and pose for photographers on mossy logs, they live in the canopy. For those wanting to photograph their subjects in their natural habitats, a fast 400mm lens increases the ability to produce pleasing images.

cheers,
bruce



Apr 17, 2025 at 12:55 PM
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p.52 #12 · Official Nikon 400/2.8S image thread + some discussions


OwlsEyes wrote:
Thanks Chris..
I've been to the tropics on many occasions... Specifically, I've been to Costa Rica 10 times to make photographs, teach, and lead students research trips. I've tried to make photography a part of all of these trips whenever it was possible and appropriate. I've used 300mm f4 lenses, 300mm f2.8 lenses, 100-400, 200-400 f4, 200-500 f5.6, and 500 f5.6 lenses on my trips. My last visit to Costa Rica was in 2019, and I did not trust my mirrorless Z6 to this task, as the AF was not mature. I am hoping to return within the next two years
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Having just been to Costa Rica and shooting exclusively with the 600PF, the slower aperture was definitely a challenge at times. For more distant wildlife, chances are that it was either completely surrounded by branches or was partially obscured by leaves (especially sloths and monkeys). The 400TC definitely would excel in that situation between the 2-1/3 stops at f/2.8 and with the still reasonably fast f/4 with the TC in place when you need more reach. That being said, I still found plenty of opportunities where 600mm f/6.3 was great for isolating subjects. And for many perched bird scenarios, I could drop the shutter speed to keep ISOs reasonable. Hummingbirds tended to be the most challenging to shoot in flight, but were surprisingly one of my most successful subjects to isolate when perched because they didn't seem mind being close to me. I had plenty of other close encounters in real/non-staged environments (toucans, song birds) that turned out great as well.

Long story short, the 400TC seems like an absolutely brilliant lens but I also don't feel like a 600mm f/6.3 is unmanageable for Costa Rica or similar environments. And there's a reason that the TC superteles are three times the price of the slower primes. They deliver but are out of reach financially for most people.



Apr 17, 2025 at 02:47 PM
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Wezre wrote:
Having just been to Costa Rica and shooting exclusively with the 600PF, the slower aperture was definitely a challenge at times. For more distant wildlife, chances are that it was either completely surrounded by branches or was partially obscured by leaves (especially sloths and monkeys). The 400TC definitely would excel in that situation between the 2-1/3 stops at f/2.8 and with the still reasonably fast f/4 with the TC in place when you need more reach. That being said, I still found plenty of opportunities where 600mm f/6.3 was great for isolating subjects. And for many perched bird scenarios, I
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Oh please don't think that I was suggesting that 400mm f2.8TC is a "must have" lens for the tropics or anybody's wildlife photography. I've been shooting for 40 + years, and bought the 400TC as a retirement gift to myself in 2023... partially as a pity present after losing my wife who battled a disease for 5 years and a way to remind myself that I could still find a bit of joy in life.
I shot with 300mm f4 lenses and 300mm f2.8 lenses for most of my life as a wildlife photographer, only abandoning it in 2014 when I found a used 200-400mm f4VR for $3000. The 300mm f2.8 required a 1.4x for most of my shooting, so I reasoned that the 200-400 gave me more versatility at the same f/4 aperture. I owned and shot the 200-400 until 2021, the year I sold all of my F-mount glass for Z-Mount lenses...

To be honest, if I didn't have the 400mm f2.8, I'd use the 180-600 on a Z8 and be just fine... The lens I use matters much less than the time and energy I devote to being in the field.

bruce



Apr 17, 2025 at 04:24 PM
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p.52 #14 · Official Nikon 400/2.8S image thread + some discussions


A few from my outing yesterday around sunrise.
There's a group of pigeon guillemots that nest on a cliff that's about 5 miles from my home. The shoot is harder than it looks, as the birds fly fast and the best shots occur as they drop low and pop up. Between losing the bird as they dip out of site and the extreme 6 stop shift in exposure between the ocean and the cliff, it's a wonder that I ever manage to take a few keepers.

My stats for this shoot were miserable... I took 2164 pictures and kept 32... and I probably should only keep 12 or so. I share this, because many assume that all you need is a good lens and camera to make decent pictures. I've shot this cliff many times, and experience + patience + repetition are the real requisites.

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OwlsEyes wrote:
A few from my outing yesterday around sunrise.
There's a group of pigeon guillemots that nest on a cliff that's about 5 miles from my home. The shoot is harder than it looks, as the birds fly fast and the best shots occur as they drop low and pop up. Between losing the bird as they dip out of site and the extreme 6 stop shift in exposure between the ocean and the cliff, it's a wonder that I ever manage to take a few keepers.

My stats for this shoot were miserable... I took 2164 pictures and kept 32...
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Captured one unique pigeon with some red legs/web-feet! My pick is the first one - like how the inside of the beak and feet/leg red compliment each other.

I can relate with the photos taken/shots kept ratio. Been trying to focus on quality over quantity.

Actually - following up this post with a case-in-point.



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Been trying to line up a shot like this for awhile. Had a good in-flight shot a few weeks ago, but no moon. Then last week got the moon and eagle perched, but the perspective, lineup, and overall composition did not work.

Went this morning and noticed the moon in the area along with momma eagle perched on her favorite branch. Took a little positioning, but was able to line up this shot. Took 737 shots, only imported 34 and just posting the best of the bunch, so only one. I don't think you'll find f22 used much in this thread, but stopped down with hopes to get both the eagle and moon in decent focus. Since I was either handholding or using my Z9/800PF as a platform to stabilize on, shot at 1/500 which bumped the ISO a bit.

Anyways - maybe the only shot in this thread at f22?







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jcnemy wrote:
Been trying to line up a shot like this for awhile. Had a good in-flight shot a few weeks ago, but no moon. Then last week got the moon and eagle perched, but the perspective, lineup, and overall composition did not work.

Went this morning and noticed the moon in the area along with momma eagle perched on her favorite branch. Took a little positioning, but was able to line up this shot. Took 737 shots, only imported 34 and just posting the best of the bunch, so only one. I don't think you'll find f22 used much in this
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Love this!... I admire your persistence, it's a trait that eventually pays off

bruce



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jcnemy wrote:
Captured one unique pigeon with some red legs/web-feet! My pick is the first one - like how the inside of the beak and feet/leg red compliment each other.

I can relate with the photos taken/shots kept ratio. Been trying to focus on quality over quantity.

Actually - following up this post with a case-in-point.


Thanks for the comments and sharing your thoughts...
For those who are not aware, the pigeon guillemot is in the family Alcidae. Alcids are diving sea birds that "fly" underwater. Members of the family include murres, auklets, razorbills, and the icons of the alcid world... puffins. The red on the feet and inside of the mouth intensify during the breeding season.

bruce



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OwlsEyes wrote:
Oh please don't think that I was suggesting that 400mm f2.8TC is a "must have" lens for the tropics or anybody's wildlife photography. I've been shooting for 40 + years, and bought the 400TC as a retirement gift to myself in 2023... partially as a pity present after losing my wife who battled a disease for 5 years and a way to remind myself that I could still find a bit of joy in life.
I shot with 300mm f4 lenses and 300mm f2.8 lenses for most of my life as a wildlife photographer, only abandoning it in 2014 when
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Absolutely, and apologies if I came across as argumentative or trying to downplay how incredible this lens is. Maybe I'm just jealous . Regardless, love the photos you've posted here and appreciate that you approach the subject in a level-headed way.



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A few more from the local seabird colony.
On this occasion, the light was miserable so I set auto-ISO to max out at 12800. I normally set the maximum to 6400 because I find this to be the limit where only one NR software is needed (DXO).

For the Brandt's cormorant shot, I set the maximum ISO to 800 with the hope of getting decent eye sharpness with a hint some wing blur. In both cases, the speed of the lens allowed me to shoot in spite of the low ambient light.






Guillemot approaching nesting clif







Complementary colors of Red and Green







Brandt's Cormorant with Nesting Material




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