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Voigtlander 35mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

  
 
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p.23 #1 · Voigtlander 35mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


With my copy it's also possible to focus a bit closer than the 0.5m marking, I think they are all like that and my other CV lenses also typically allow the focusing mechanism to go a bit closer than the shortest distance marking on the lens. Same with most of my other rangefinder lenses. I'm always happy if they can focus as close as possible without needing a helicoid adapter so it's a small bonus.


Jan 27, 2023 at 04:30 AM
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p.23 #2 · Voigtlander 35mm f/1.5 Nokton Review


Mr Leica quickly reviewed this lens lately:




Jan 30, 2023 at 02:38 PM
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phinix wrote:
Mr Leica quickly reviewed this lens lately:



I like when he summarizes the FLE vs 35/1.5 stating he hasn’t shot the FLE (points for honesty!), but people like the 3D and micro-contrast of the FLE but they are similar stopped down to 2.8. He probably pulled that from this thread lol.

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Jan 30, 2023 at 02:59 PM
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phinix wrote:
Mr Leica quickly reviewed this lens lately:


Sounds like he feels about this lens the way I feel about the 28 Ultron II – great lens but little personal desire to use it.



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:08 PM
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I like when he summarizes the FLE vs 35/1.5 stating he hasn’t shot the FLE (points for honesty!), but people like the 3D and micro-contrast of the FLE but they are similar stopped 2.8. He probably pulled that from this thread lol.


Now I'm depressed... I don't know what to think about this lens - he said he wasn't amazed with it, apart from handling.
Still not pulling a trigger on that lens, waiting to see more photos here from owners to convince me.



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:08 PM
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phinix wrote:
Now I'm depressed... I don't know what to think about this lens - he said he wasn't amazed with it, apart from handling.
Still not pulling a trigger on that lens, waiting to see more photos here from owners to convince me.


In 35mm land in m-mount, no clean cut “winner.” Lots of competing options with contrasting strengths and weaknesses, optically, rendering size and price wise.

I like the ZM 35/1.4 files better, but too big. I like the FLE files better too, but to spendy and the flare resistance is a real issue for my type of shooting. This CV is honestly great ergonomically, flare wise and price wise. If you like a modern smooth draw and want in all-arounder, this lens is a real winner.

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Jan 30, 2023 at 03:18 PM
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phinix wrote:
Now I'm depressed... I don't know what to think about this lens - he said he wasn't amazed with it, apart from handling.
Still not pulling a trigger on that lens, waiting to see more photos here from owners to convince me.


He seems mostly inspired by vintage renderings. I've never seen him keep an APO except for a purpose, such as back when he had to buy a Leica 75 APO in order to match the work of another wedding photographer he was shooting with.

His sample images with the lens look as good as the FLE to me. I wish he wouldn't flip through sample shots so quickly in his videos as I hardly have time to consider them. I'm constantly having to rewind and/or pause.



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:19 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
In 35mm land in m-mount, no clean cut “winner.” Lots of competing options with contrasting strengths and weaknesses, optically, rendering size and price wise.

I like the ZM 35/1.4 files better, but too big. I like the FLE files better too, but to spendy. This CV is honestly great ergonomically, flare wise and price wise. If you like a modern smooth draw and want in all-arounder, this lens is a real winner.


Agreed. There are few universally-liked 35mm M lenses with f/1.4 apertures. Too big, too small, too much glow, not enough glow, too clinical, too busy, too sharp, not sharp enough...

Everyone is ok with owning multiple 50mm variants but wants a single 35mm to do everything



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:24 PM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
Agreed. There are few universally-liked 35mm M lenses with f/1.4 apertures. Too big, too small, too much glow, not enough glow, too clinical, too busy, too sharp, not sharp enough...

Everyone is ok with owning multiple 50mm variants but wants a single 35mm to do everything


Yes—I think shooters just want a 50 Lux or RX1 type—great WO across all (or most) the frame with high micro-contrast, smooth rendering with only moderate optical vignetting, moderate size by m- standards, good ergo and reasonable price (under 2k). Apparently impossible!



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:37 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
In 35mm land in m-mount, no clean cut “winner.” Lots of competing options with contrasting strengths and weaknesses, optically, rendering size and price wise.

I like the ZM 35/1.4 files better, but too big. I like the FLE files better too, but to spendy and the flare resistance is a real issue for my type of shooting. This CV is honestly great ergonomically, flare wise and price wise. If you like a modern smooth draw and want in all-arounder, this lens is a real winner.


I agree 100%. The 35 1.5 is a great value for a small, lightweight lens with great ergonomics and similar rendering to the 35 ZM 1.4. I ended up selling mine for reasons almost identical Matt's in his video. None of the images wow'd me. My problem is I'm willing to spend more but still haven't found the perfect lens. I did get the new FLE and am very happy so far with it but it's like 5x the price so I better be hah.



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nehemiahphoto wrote:
In 35mm land in m-mount, no clean cut “winner.” Lots of competing options with contrasting strengths and weaknesses, optically, rendering size and price wise.

I like the ZM 35/1.4 files better, but too big. I like the FLE files better too, but to spendy and the flare resistance is a real issue for my type of shooting. This CV is honestly great ergonomically, flare wise and price wise. If you like a modern smooth draw and want in all-arounder, this lens is a real winner.


Well, yes, you summarised it well - I'm looking for a good walk-around lens. I have 40mm 1.2 on my A7C, but I would like to have lighter lens - I know I'm a weirdo, cause it isn't a huge lens, but I don't like when lens is so heavy that it pulls it down on the front. Even with VM-E adapter this 35mm lens would be fantastic for me. I just don't want to spend £800 on it and find out that it is way worse than 40mm I have. Ideally would sell 40mm and buy that 35mm.
I don't think I would miss that f1.2 IQ - most photos (80%) in f1.2 MFD are not really usable, too much glow/haze. I think 35mm would be better WO. But to try I would need to buy it.
I like sharpness of 40/1.2 at f2.8-4, so I think that new 35mm should give similar results, but be more usable in MFD WO.
Don't you think?



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:48 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Yes—I think shooters just want a 50 Lux or RX1 type—great WO across all (or most) the frame with high micro-contrast, smooth rendering with only moderate optical vignetting, moderate size by m- standards, good ergo and reasonable price (under 2k). Apparently impossible!


Easier to get better blur with the compression from 50mm I guess. It's hard for a 35 1.4 to compete with a 50 1.4 without moving to traditional-size lenses – Sigma 35 1.2 comes to mind. I think a 35 f/1.4 for M is more comparable to a 50 f/1.8 or f/2.



Jan 30, 2023 at 03:51 PM
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Easier to get better blur with the compression from 50mm I guess. It's hard for a 35 1.4 to compete with a 50 1.4 without moving to traditional-size lenses – Sigma 35 1.2 comes to mind. I think a 35 f/1.4 for M is more comparable to a 50 f/1.8 or f/2.


For sure. I mean, oddly enough, CV did a better job with this 35/1.7 in this regard. Make that lens slightly thicker to address the cat’s eye and fix the crappy ergo and people would be pretty happy I think. I do wonder, if you made the Sigma 35i a RF lens, shrinking it by eliminating the weather sealing, electronics and AF and that lens would probably be quite attractive.



Jan 30, 2023 at 04:08 PM
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lifeandmylens wrote:
I agree 100%. The 35 1.5 is a great value for a small, lightweight lens with great ergonomics and similar rendering to the 35 ZM 1.4. I ended up selling mine for reasons almost identical Matt's in his video. None of the images wow'd me. My problem is I'm willing to spend more but still haven't found the perfect lens.


I gave up on the "one perfect 35 to do it all" quest and have four 35mm lenses, each of which has its particular strengths and purposes. I know I'm not alone in having multiples and four is quite modest by some standards!

The 35/2 VM Ultron, which I bought on nehemiahphoto's recommendation, is similar to the 35/1.5 in the sense that it doesn't wow me, but it does the job and sometimes I just need a lens I can rely on to capture images well. It's definitely my best-performing 35mm for landscapes and the one I have on my smaller camera that stays in my pack all the time. I've grown to love it and it delivers the goods.

The Canon 35/1.8 LTM is my favorite, actually a bit smaller and lighter than the 35/2 Ultron and with much more vintage character (and much busier bokeh), pastel colors, but very susceptible to veiling flare. It's excellent for environmental portraits and street photography but doesn't do well for landscapes in sunny conditions or shooting into the sun. I care far more about character than performance, so this is my "wow me" lens.

The Minolta Rokkor MC 35/1.8 also has character and has smoother bokeh for portraits than the Canon, but it's much bigger and heavier. Once I got the Canon it became the ugly sister and it sits sulking at home most of the time, but whenever I use it I'm reminded why I love it.

The Zeiss ZF.2 35/1.4 Distagon is a reliably excellent and often stunning lens for environmental portraits but I don't like it for anything else and it's huge and heavy compared with the others. I mainly use it for video these days and the occasional environmental portrait.



Jan 30, 2023 at 04:14 PM
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I gave up on the "one perfect 35 to do it all" quest and have four 35mm lenses, each of which has its particular strengths and purposes. I know I'm not alone in having multiples and four is quite modest by some standards!

The 35/2 VM Ultron, which I bought on nehemiahphoto's recommendation, is similar to the 35/1.5 in the sense that it doesn't wow me, but it does the job and sometimes I just need a lens I can rely on to capture images well. It's definitely my best-performing 35mm for landscapes and the one I have on my
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I also own 4! And I also settled on the 35/2 Ultron as the all-around with strong IQ in the areas my 35 Lux Pre-ASPH struggles. I am not wowed by the CV 35/2, but I do like it, and I do like it better than the CV 35/1.5. I loved the CY 35/1.4, RX1 Sonnar, Pentax 31, but they are not so practical (for me). I do like the ZM 35/1.4 and FLE for uber modern, but I prefer character over correction generally.



Jan 30, 2023 at 04:37 PM
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phinix wrote:
Well, yes, you summarised it well - I'm looking for a good walk-around lens. I have 40mm 1.2 on my A7C, but I would like to have lighter lens - I know I'm a weirdo, cause it isn't a huge lens, but I don't like when lens is so heavy that it pulls it down on the front. Even with VM-E adapter this 35mm lens would be fantastic for me. I just don't want to spend £800 on it and find out that it is way worse than 40mm I have. Ideally would sell 40mm and buy that 35mm.
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Yes, FL aside, and there’s a bit of a different resolution distribution between the two lenses (the 35/1.5 has better corners at larger apertures, and I think the resolution is better on the 35/1.5 from f2.8-4 which is what you’re interested in). I l think you’ll find them somewhat similar though. The MFD performance is better on the 35/1.5 a bit too. But the bokeh is worse IMO, especially when pushed.

I’d like to hear others’ thoughts as well.



Jan 30, 2023 at 05:47 PM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
Agreed. There are few universally-liked 35mm M lenses with f/1.4 apertures. Too big, too small, too much glow, not enough glow, too clinical, too busy, too sharp, not sharp enough...

Everyone is ok with owning multiple 50mm variants but wants a single 35mm to do everything


I think with a Leica M mount 35mm lenses, you have the first issue that the lens ideally is small enough that it doesn't block the viewfinder. That means a 35mm has to be smaller than a 50mm. Then designing a wider angle lens is tougher than designing a normal lens. Then if you want your 35mm to be your main lens you want it to be very fast because the wider lens has to be faster to get more blur. At 35mm you can pick any two of: 1) fast, 2) small enough to have only minor viewfinder blockage, and 3) great optical performance, but your can't have all three. So if you want small enough to have only minor view finder blockage, and great optical performance the CV 35 f/2.5 II is a great option. If you want a fast aperture and small enough to minimize view finder blockage then the Leica M 35 f/1.4 pre-Assph or other lenses based on this design including the CV 35 f/1.4 classic fit the bill. If you want fast aperture and very good performance and can live with a bigger size then the ZM 35 f/1.4 is an option. The new CV 35 f/2 APO is sort of similar with a slower max aperture, almost as big of size, and almost no compromises in IQ.

I see the CV 35 f/1.7, the Leica 35 f/1.4 FLE, as coming closest to meeting all criteria but they still have some compromises. The CV 35 f/1.7 blocks the viewfinder quite a bit, is "just f/1.7", and has less than perfect IQ. I like it because it compromises in every area just enough to make it work without really falling down in any area. If it weren't so terrible ergonomically it would be good enough in all the areas to work for me. As it is, I find the ergonomics bad enough and I find the compromises just enough to keep me from using it.

I see the Leica M 35 f/1.4 FLE as providing a nice fast aperture, but it still blocks the viewfinder more than I would like and at this point long after it was introduced the IQ compromises are notable as well (although the lens is sharp, it does have quite a bit of axial CA more than I would like). If I shot 35mm as my primary focal length, however, this would probably be my choice.

I see the Leica M 35 f/2 APO as having only the f/2 aperture as a compromise, but it costs so much I could never consider it. Looks like a lovely lens, however, and not much to complain about other than the obvious--the price and the slightly slower aperture.

Personally, I am going to go with a small lense with great IQ without as fast of an aperture, which means the CV 35 f/2.5 II and it has the benefit of being quite inexpensive too. It will work for me and provide an ultra small kit too. I just may pick up a Leica M 35 f/1.4 FLE sometime too but the fairly high price combined with the slight compromises in size and IQ means it won't be a lens I get anytime soon,



Jan 30, 2023 at 05:50 PM
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For others with this lens: do you think he got a bad copy or is the midzone sharpness really weak enough as to be discouraging?




Jan 30, 2023 at 05:56 PM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
For others with this lens: do you think he got a bad copy or is the midzone sharpness really weak enough as to be discouraging?



See Fred's review. The mid zone weakness is there but I don't think it is that bad, which is of course a subjective viewpoint with which other might not agree.



Jan 30, 2023 at 06:02 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I think with a Leica M mount 35mm lenses, you have the first issue that the lens ideally is small enough that it doesn't block the viewfinder. That means a 35mm has to be smaller than a 50mm. Then designing a wider angle lens is tougher than designing a normal lens. Then if you want your 35mm to be your main lens you want it to be very fast because the wider lens has to be faster to get more blur. At 35mm you can pick any two of: 1) fast, 2) small enough to have only minor viewfinder
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I've landed on the LLL 35mm 8-Element. I played the LLL lotto and got two good ones out of three, one of them being the collapsable version that does 0.5m MFD. It has character wide open, is fairly fast, is reasonably-sharp in the center wide open and across the frame stopped down, is super small, and has insane build quality.

I'm on the preorder list for the Steel Rim reissue, and that plus the 8E will probably be the perfect two 35s for me.



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