p.16 #1 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
JeffMD wrote:
Thanks Fred. I did give that a shot with my spanner wrench but I couldn't get it to budge, even with a decent amount of force. I will give the acetone a shot tonight.
Depending on how much glue is used, it can sometimes take a bit of force. Acetone definitely helps dissolve the glue. I’ve come across lenses where the ring is quite loose and others where it’s extremely tight.
p.16 #3 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Really interested in 50/1.3 Sonnetar slim. From Bastian’s review seems like this one has better build vs 50/1.1 Sonnetar, and less of the field curvature and focus shift issue.
But I will be using it on M11, will i have to worry about focus shift/alignment on the rangefinder? More than typical sonnar design?
Bastian’s sample pics on ISM 50/1.0 are very nice too though.
Tough decision. Didn’t see ISM being sold anywhere anyway.
p.16 #4 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Nick YR wrote:
Really interested in 50/1.3 Sonnetar slim. From Bastian’s review seems like this one has better build vs 50/1.1 Sonnetar, and less of the field curvature and focus shift issue.
But I will be using it on M11, will i have to worry about focus shift/alignment on the rangefinder? More than typical sonnar design?
Bastian’s sample pics on ISM 50/1.0 are very nice too though.
Tough decision. Didn’t see ISM being sold anywhere anyway.
I have the 50/1.3 Sonnetar Slim and Bastian's review was one of the reasons I bought it. I got it, but then got a lead on a 50/1.0 ISM so I was going to sell it but I decided to just keep both, as the Slim is just wonderful to shoot with. Tons of character at 1.3 but by 2.8/4 it's very sharp.
The 50/1.3 Sonnetar Slim is actually very easy to calibrate to your rangefinder as it technically has an adjustment for it. It only takes a small glasses screwdriver to turn the ring and adjust for your M11. That lens took me about 10 minutes to dial in. I also don't see much focus shift unless you are shooting at longer distances, 3 to 5 meters plus. It's better than some Leica lenses I've used.
p.16 #6 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
I don’t have the ISM yet. I have a friend that has been traveling to Japan often and he’s been looking for MS Optics lenses for me. He thought he had found an ISM but it turns out it was the Sonnatar 1.1. But he got me the 24mm also.
Nick YR wrote:
Thank you so much, Jeff!
Good to hear about the minimal focus shift.
How do they compare, between the slim and the ISM? 😁
p.16 #7 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
I think the ISM is quite hard to find in Japan 2nd hand market. I have seen them pop up at Map Camera a couple of times in the last couple of years but not much elsewhere and they seem to go for relatively high prices. I don't have that one myself either but I do have the 50/1.3.
p.16 #8 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Thanks Juha, how fo you feel about the 50/1.3 sonnetar?
I am considering between this or the newly released 28 CV APO lanthar, though the latter will still be months away
p.16 #9 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Nick YR wrote:
Thanks Juha, how fo you feel about the 50/1.3 sonnetar?
I am considering between this or the newly released 28 CV APO lanthar, though the latter will still be months away
I like the Sonnetar a lot for wide aperture bokeh shots at f1.3 and f2 especially. It has very nice rendering and it gets pretty sharp at focus point when stopped down even just a little (e.g. by f2). It has a weakness in the sense that it's not great for anything that requires corner-to-corner sharpness, because the edges and corners never get very sharp even when stopped down to f8 or so. It's just the character of the lens though. If you buy it with the right expectations, I think it's a great lens.
Also the build is one of the best from MS-Optics from easy of use perspective and I think it also has good durability. It's basically a new improved version of the very first MS-Optics lens (MS-Mode-S 50/1.3) and could be considered a quintessential MS-Optics lens since Miyazaki-san has always had a special fondness of Sonnar type lenses and he first started with one of those.
CV APO-Lanthar 28/2.8 VM would be a totally different lens to this both from focal length and design perspective, and I think it will be best for corner-to-corner sharp shots like landscapes and cityscapes.
p.16 #10 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I like the Sonnetar a lot for wide aperture bokeh shots at f1.3 and f2 especially. It has very nice rendering and it gets pretty sharp at focus point when stopped down even just a little (e.g. by f2). It has a weakness in the sense that it's not great for anything that requires corner-to-corner sharpness, because the edges and corners never get very sharp even when stopped down to f8 or so. It's just the character of the lens though. If you buy it with the right expectations, I think it's a great lens.
Also the build is one of the best from MS-Optics from easy of use perspective and I think it also has good durability. It's basically a new improved version of the very first MS-Optics lens (MS-Mode-S 50/1.3) and could be considered a quintessential MS-Optics lens since Miyazaki-san has always had a special fondness of Sonnar type lenses and he first started with one of those.
CV APO-Lanthar 28/2.8 VM would be a totally different lens to this both from focal length and design perspective, and I think it will be best for corner-to-corner sharp shots like landscapes and cityscapes....Show more →
I need to spend more time shooting with the 50mm f/1.3 Sonnetar. When I first got it, I did a quick test to check the rangefinder adjustment and overall rendering, and I really liked how it renders. I liked it so much that I stopped thinking about the 50mm f/1.
p.16 #11 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Fred Miranda wrote:
I need to spend more time shooting with the 50mm f/1.3 Sonnetar. When I first got it, I did a quick test to check the rangefinder adjustment and overall rendering, and I really liked how it renders. I liked it so much that I stopped thinking about the 50mm f/1.
Honestly, I was obsessed with finding a 1.0 ISM and to the point of listing my 1.3 for sale. But now that I have spent more time with the 1.3, I don't see the need to "upgrade". The 1.3 really is a wonderful lens.
p.16 #12 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Thanks Fred for the info on calibrating the rangefinder ring on the Aporia. With a little bit of acetone and a leather strap to hold the other side of the lens from the spanner wrench, I was able to get the ring to break free. So after cleaning everything up, (including my watch repair mat that I noticed was very dusty after taking this photo) I was able to adjust the rangefinder ring on the lens to be properly calibrated with my M11 and added a touch of Loctite thread locker to the threads to make sure it stays in place, but not so much that I couldn't take it apart in the future.
As a side note, the Aporia's focus ring/hood is held on by 3 small set screws (M1.6 x 4mm). My lens was missing one and I was able to source 10 of these for about $5 shipped from China as I couldn't find a vendor in the US that would sell me fewer than 1000. These screws are exactly the same as the MS Optics, except they are not coated black, but just unfinished stainless steel.
I have 7 spare screws, so if anyone needs one let me know, I would be happy to mail you one, or direct you towards the vendor if you want to buy more. They took about 3 weeks to arrive.
p.16 #13 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
JeffMD wrote:
Thanks Fred for the info on calibrating the rangefinder ring on the Aporia. With a little bit of acetone and a leather strap to hold the other side of the lens from the spanner wrench, I was able to get the ring to break free. So after cleaning everything up, (including my watch repair mat that I noticed was very dusty after taking this photo) I was able to adjust the rangefinder ring on the lens to be properly calibrated with my M11 and added a touch of Loctite thread locker to the threads to make sure it stays in place, but not so much that I couldn't take it apart in the future.
As a side note, the Aporia's focus ring/hood is held on by 3 small set screws (M1.6 x 4mm). My lens was missing one and I was able to source 10 of these for about $5 shipped from China as I couldn't find a vendor in the US that would sell me fewer than 1000. These screws are exactly the same as the MS Optics, except they are not coated black, but just unfinished stainless steel.
I have 7 spare screws, so if anyone needs one let me know, I would be happy to mail you one, or direct you towards the vendor if you want to buy more. They took about 3 weeks to arrive. ...Show more →
That’s great that you were able to adjust the Aporia, Jeff! The same method works for most MS Optics lenses, but not all.
It’s a good idea to mark the ring's position with a pencil so you can check if it moves over time. If it does, you'll have a precise reference to realign it.
Regarding the screws, I will check my Aporia to see if it has all of them.
p.16 #14 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Looks like Lumitar 3.5/50 is going to start shipping soon (probably in early April) as previously informed by @bigtractor@. Today MS-Optics posted a new teaser about it in their Instagram. I also sent an e-mail to them, hoping to make an early reservation through MKDirect etc. although I don't know the price and specific release date yet.
p.16 #17 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
I was able to find a copy of the Aporia 24/2. Going to need to do some calibration on it. It does not seem to focus at infinity, but around 1m and up does seem to have spot on focus. Will need to do more testing and read the parts of this thread on calibrating the lens.
p.16 #18 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Bob W wrote:
I was able to find a copy of the Aporia 24/2. Going to need to do some calibration on it. It does not seem to focus at infinity, but around 1m and up does seem to have spot on focus. Will need to do more testing and read the parts of this thread on calibrating the lens.
Fred, thank you for the quick links to those posts. I think I need to use some acetone to dissolve the glue. Where do you put the acetone in relation to the two small holes?
p.16 #20 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
I finally got a chance to take the Aporia 24 f2 out of the house. My wife, daughter and I went to DC for the cherry blossom festival and kite festival. This lens is wonderful and such a joy to shoot with! All were shot on a SL3 wide open.
