saxguy wrote:
I haven't figured out how to get it into Auto ISO without using the touchscreen.
You can assign the ISO function to the rear thumbwheel dial. Then you can scroll to select any manual ISO or scroll all the way to Auto ISO. This is very fast and easy. I have my M11 setup this way and it is a great workflow feature.
From page 141 in the user manual:
DYNAMIC ISO SETTING
The thumbwheel can be configured to allow manual ISO settings
in real time (see p.76). The settings will cycle through all values
available in the ISO menu. That means that Auto ISO can also be
selected.
1bwana1 wrote:
You can assign the ISO function to the rear thumbwheel dial. Then you can scroll to select any manual ISO or scroll all the way to Auto ISO. This is very fast and easy. I have my M11 setup this way and it is a great workflow feature.
From page 141 in the user manual:
DYNAMIC ISO SETTING
The thumbwheel can be configured to allow manual ISO settings
in real time (see p.76). The settings will cycle through all values
available in the ISO menu. That means that Auto ISO can also be
selected.
Not on the SL3 you can't. The rear thumb wheel is locked to mode. You could on the SL 2. I hope an upgrade brings this back.
saxguy wrote:
I haven't figured out how to get it into Auto ISO without using the touchscreen.
A quick anecdote... and I already know it was user error, but in the years that I've owned my SL2-S this has never happened:
I was shooting the other day outdoors in full sun. I keep my shutter in hybrid mode, but didn't think anything of it, as I knew the electronic shutter would never come into play with the available light. I always shoot in aperture priority mode at events with a minimum shutter speed of 1/250 and Auto ISO (max 6400). This was no problem, as auto ISO was pretty much staying between 100-200 and the shutter speed was usually higher than 1/250, but never near 1/8000. The first half of the day went off without a hitch. I realized later in the day that somehow the camera ended up in shutter priority mode. Worse, because I had the camera in hybrid shutter, the shutter speed somehow ended up locked at 1/16,000 - which pushed my ISOs up to 6400 at times. The images of cars weren't a problem, but I shot a few portraits and the noise left the eyes looking slightly unsharp. Definitely my fault for not periodically checking my display, but it shouldn't be so easy to inadvertently switch priority modes.
flash wrote:
Not on the SL3 you can't. The rear thumb wheel is locked to mode. You could on the SL 2. I hope an upgrade brings this back.
Gordon
Interesting that those instructions were copied directly out of the SL3 manual and pasted in my post. Note that configuring this is a two step process.
1bwana1 wrote:
Interesting that those instructions were copied directly out of the SL3 manual and pasted in my post. Note that configuring this is a two step process.
Sorry. I got that wrong. You can set the wheel to ISO. I want to be able to use the click function for ISO as I use the wheel for EV comp.
flash wrote:
Sorry. I got that wrong. You can set the wheel to ISO. I want to be able to use the click function for ISO as I use the wheel for EV comp.
Gordon
You can leave the rear wheel set to exposure compensation. Then assign one of the programmable buttons to ISO which will allow you to choose an ISO manually or set Auto ISO. So just one extra click.
On my M11 the rear wheel is a dual control with a programable click function I assign to ISO and a separate scroll function. It is very convenient. I set my ISO button to M and then use the rear wheel to completely control ISO.
Since I shoot both Aperature and Shutter Speed fully manual then the Exposure Compensation Wheel is really just changing ISO. It just has a six stop ISO limit from the metered value. This actually works very well.
You can get what you want you just have to click a button to swap ISO into manual and Auto. No need to use the screen for this.
Watch this video starting at around 42 minutes to see how it is done. Actually the whole video is worth watching.
I have user error too where somehow I'm accidentally pressing the thumb wheel and turning it moving that shooting mode to another setting which I do not want. I see there is a lock feature that I have never tried and will see if it can apply to the thumb wheel-mode wise.
Wonder if you can lock that new ISO wheel so no chance of switching settings? I now remember Leica Miami video mentioning one can lock it (or maybe another dial) since it is vulnerable out to the left side of the body and can easily be rotated while taking camera in and out of bags or any other way.
Have you watched the 2 hour Leica Miami you tube video?
1bwana1 wrote:
You can leave the rear wheel set to exposure compensation. Then assign one of the programmable buttons to ISO which will allow you to choose an ISO manually or set Auto ISO. So just one extra click.
On my M11 the rear wheel is a dual control with a programable click function I assign to ISO and a separate scroll function. It is very convenient. I set my ISO button to M and then use the rear wheel to completely control ISO.
Since I shoot both Aperature and Shutter Speed fully manual then the Exposure Compensation Wheel is really just changing ISO. It just has a six stop ISO limit from the metered value. This actually works very well.
You can get what you want you just have to click a button to swap ISO into manual and Auto. No need to use the screen for this.
Watch this video starting at around 42 minutes to see how it is done. Actually the whole video is worth watching. ...Show more →
The only piece of info in this video that is NOT correct is that by going from L-DNG to M-DNG or S-DNG one does not get higher DR. It is 15 stops on all settings. Rains mentions it improves, but that info was proven wrong by every serious tester including Leica Miami Store. Perhaps Nick did not get that memo. Otherwise a terrific video. Thanks.
stgrove wrote:
The only piece of info in this video that is NOT correct is that by going from L-DNG to M-DNG or S-DNG one does not get higher DR. It is 15 stops on all settings. Rains mentions it improves, but that info was proven wrong by every serious tester including Leica Miami Store. Perhaps Nick did not get that memo. Otherwise a terrific video. Thanks.
Mr Rains is a direct Leica employee, The DR improvement is an official Leica claim that I suppose he must hold to.
Nick Rains is not a Leica employee. He's contracted to Leica for a set number of days per year and he ran the Leica Academe I until recently. He's also a Leica ambassador, Adobe certified instructor and internationally published photographer.
The Dr claims are simply based on different measuring ways. There's no official way of measuring DR. If you measure at a fixed size the DR will be constant. If you measure at the pixel level it'll vary. I disagree with the way P2P and DXO measure DR because it ignores the increases in print sizes allowed by more resolution. They only choose the size they do so they can compare an SL3 to an iPhone. It's BS.
Not normally paying attention to this stuff, what is the proper way for measuring DR? Thanks.
I don't know.
Generally I test my gear for my usage case and then compare to other systems I have. That means that unless someone shoots like I do that my info is fallible. For example I don't give a rats are how my X2D compares in Dr to an iPhone so I generally ignore P2P.
I print large. I don't do video. I specialise in travel photography and a bit of wildlife. I was a working photographer for 35 years. Weddings and the commercial and industrial. So I have my biases that a sports shooter won't have.
My best guess. Read as much as you can and then aggregate the results based on your personal shooting envelope.
Oh, the IQ coming out of the SL3 is epic. Better than the A7R5. By how much, I don't know. But the files are incredibly pliable. The firmware needs some work though.
I've owned all the SL bodies and lenses. Who know's, I might buy this one. I love the new screen and the new UI looks amazing too. Would love to have a mirrorless other than my Sony to shoot my M's on again. I also thought the Panasonic s5II was a great body (I just prefer higher res), so, hoping Panasonic updates their S1R so I can decide between the 2. (if I get another L mount)
FWIW, from what I saw last night on Red Dot Forum Live Stream high ISO/noise testing, the SL3 when down-sized in post to 24MPs is at least as good as if not slightly better than the SL2-S. ISO testing and comparison results starts at about 47:35 min marker and the SL3 vs SL2-S at about 1:00 hour mark:
Also, I asked the following in the LiveChat:
"LB J2
Does the SL3 have specialized microlenses on the SL3 sensor to support adapting M lenses ?"
Answered by David starting at about 23:21 min mark in the video:
LBJ2 wrote:
FWIW, from what I saw last night on Red Dot Forum Live Stream high ISO/noise testing, the SL3 when down-sized in post to 24MPs is at least as good as if not slightly better than the SL2-S. ISO testing and comparison results starts at about 47:35 min marker and the SL3 vs SL2-S at about 1:00 hour mark:
Also, I asked the following in the LiveChat:
"LB J2
Does the SL3 have specialized microlenses on the SL3 sensor to support adapting M lenses ?"
Answered by David starting at about 23:21 min mark in the video:
They kinda "danced" around the question about the microlenses.
I was wondering more in lines with "How is the SL3 "better" at supporting M lenses? Are the microlenses different from the SL2? What shape are they?" Etc.
I reckon the "proof is in the pudding" will be the only real answer we get ... at least for a while. Mount up those wide angle M's and see what we get.
I did find it "hmmm ... interesting" (not really) that they made such a strong distinction about the cover glass being different (yet hinting, not enough difference to matter) thickness from the M ... and the subsequent "2nd best camera" to shoot M lenses on (I reckon, by design).
Cool that you got your question fielded. Too bad, they didn't give you a better answer.
RustyBug wrote:
They kinda "danced" around the question about the microlenses.
I was wondering more in lines with "How is the SL3 "better" at supporting M lenses? Are the microlenses different from the SL2? What shape are they?" Etc.
I reckon the "proof is in the pudding" will be the only real answer we get ... at least for a while. Mount up those wide angle M's and see what we get.
I did find it "hmmm ... interesting" (not really) that they made such a strong distinction about the cover glass being different (yet hinting, not enough difference to matter) thickness from the M ... and the subsequent "2nd best camera" to shoot M lenses on (I reckon, by design).
Cool that you got your question fielded. Too bad, they didn't give you a better answer. ...Show more →
I am happy/thankful they took my question. "Does the SL3 have specialized microlenses on the SL3 sensor to support adapting M lenses ?"
Along with the other details, I thought David answered my question very clearly when he said "Yes"
As you wrote, it would be interesting to know more about the specifics of the microlens design and if there are any differences between microlens designs among the SL cameras and why. So maybe I could have asked for more details in my question.
Also, now that the SL3 is on its maiden voyage, I expect more Leica management and staff SL3 interviews to come where we might hear some more details on this topic as well.
More importantly, and as David said in his response, the SL cameras to include the new SL3 remain the second-best cameras to use M lenses outside of Leica rangefinder cameras.
Too bad, they didn't give you a better answer.