Phillip, I honestly thought that u were being paid by thypoch at first
But now I share your enthusiasm. Although I can’t base my posts on as much experience as you and most others here,
I’ll just share a few more pics from
Today (these are all my very first snaps)!
@picturethis@ : congrats on getting the 50! Can’t believe that you only paid $452 for the Nikon z mount in silver NEW from BH’! What a steal!!
Some flowers from the garden, all wide
Open simera 35 at 1.4
EDIT; I’ll take more pics at a distance to see for Field Curvature on the 28 and 35 and post them to the thypoch simera thread not here as this is for the 50 review.
All pics unedited lossless Raws compressed to tiny 1MB Jpegs
Final samples from today.
Very happy with this 35 simera
Don’t see why it has a “bad” rep
But I concur with Phillips reasoning that the simeras “shocked” the market
Although I do appreciate Samyang optics also, even though this South Korean manufacturer is mentally likely placed into the “china” category basket.
These pics are all unedited!
I once got the yuongnuo 85 1.8 based off it apparently being the “sharpest 85” based on DXO review bla bla - tbh the lens manufacturer probably paid DXO to say that 😂 Immediately returned it!
Liking the rendering ( pop and bokeh falloff) from this simera 35 much much more
Dear Phillip, to your comment on the “simple”
Lens design, yes we all should know this when we spend our hard earned cash on optics!
And if the result is pleasing with less fancy glass - why not - it works
Your last comment I full heartedly agree! This should be pinned on the forum:
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“ Luckily for them, we have an internet (still) so gatekeeping won't work like it once did. And many online people are seeing it unfold in front of their eyes. Good times at last. The ancien regime has been rocked, but their products will have to improve now. Or they won't make it.”
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philip_pj wrote:
I am weakening on buying it too, simply because of the glass these people use - the 35/1.4 has NO ED glass in its nine elements, but it does have three HRI elements and just one aspherical element. No one needs to know this, but I am here to tell anyone interested in it.
Did you know the fancy glass many of the non-Chinese in the field (Leica, Zeiss, Cosina) use for correction these days - 'anomalous partial dispersion' or APD - was almost unheard of only 20 years ago? They are still learning how to make it and use it.
They also haven't even figured out how to include simple aperture mechanisms with enough blades to get rid of the ugly bokeh balls at f2-f2.8-f4! These guys have been around for 50-100 years! WTH. So the new lens makers have already opened up a lead on them, you could say, and they don't even know it.
But the Chinese (and Korean) makers we often see now, they come from and/or are very interested in the cine world, and they are fast learners, where the old brigade are equally fast to forget, and they treat their user base like the proverbial.
The 50mm is an unadulterated gem in my book. Mine works just great on the standard Sony mount, for what it was intended for. But some people, they get a new lens and the first thing they want to see is the last 40 pixels in each corner! No good there, is a lens fail for them! It's unbelievable but that is where we are at. The lens producers are apparently supposed to make corners as good as centers.
At times, I try telling them the Simeras (like many cine lenses) are *designed* to lose resolution/contrast/ sharpness in corners. Their MTF shows this effect very clearly and consistently. It's not poor optical development, it is intentional.
And the really crazy thing is that the Chinese are bringing to stills photography an era of taste and aesthetics - you see it in the great packaging, their customer interfaces, the thoughtful and information-rich websites etc.
Luckily for them, we have an internet (still) so gatekeeping won't work like it once did. And many online people are seeing it unfold in front of their eyes. Good times at last. The ancien regime has been rocked, but their products will have to improve now. Or they won't make it....Show more →
Good times at last. The ancien regime has been rocked, but their products will have to improve now. Or they won't make it
Just started a new thread 🧵 for all things thypoch simera
As I don’t want to spam this thread regarding the simera 50 specifically with pics from
Other lenses
And because it took me forever to read 26 pages of commentary/comparison regarding the Leica summilux - a lens totally out of my budget.
I just did some testing and I think this lens is making me sell my Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton. The close focus resolving power on the Simera is so satisfying. The 40mm blurs the background like nothing else I have, but the Thypoch just seems to render a combination of qualities in the image that come together to lift it above most other lenses I have. Sharp subjects, beautiful bokeh, limited fringing...I'll just avoid pointing too close to the sun.
Happydan wrote:
And because it took me forever to read 26 pages of commentary/comparison regarding the Leica summilux - a lens totally out of my budget.
You should cross-post your new thread to this board. Not sure about others, but I don't regularly visit the Sony board and missed it until I saw your post above
Lightseeker. wrote:
I just did some testing and I think this lens is making me sell my Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton. The close focus resolving power on the Simera is so satisfying. The 40mm blurs the background like nothing else I have, but the Thypoch just seems to render a combination of qualities in the image that come together to lift it above most other lenses I have. Sharp subjects, beautiful bokeh, limited fringing...I'll just avoid pointing too close to the sun.
Thats exactly what I did - on a whim I listed my 40 Nokton
Even though the 40 Nokton is epic in terms of IQ from f/2 onwards, I wasnt shooting it below f/2
With the 50 Simera however, the pictures are stellar at all aperatures - even wide open!
With the Simera, the lack of EXIF is annoying though, and the 50 Simera’s aperature ring barely clicks.
Also note that the 50 Simera has serious focus breathing.
Ive attached it to the Techart AF adapter for my Sony cam with success (even though the v1 version of the adapter hunts a lot). Attaching it to the helicoid CV close focus adapter v1 MFD goes down to approx. 35cm - my new bokeh master
Happydan wrote:
Ive attached it to the Techart AF adapter for my Sony cam with success (even though the v1 version of the adapter hunts a lot). Attaching it to the helicoid CV close focus adapter v1 MFD goes down to approx. 35cm - my new bokeh master
Ohhhh. There ya go! 10cm probably makes a HUGE difference! And the floating elements make using it that way a beautifully viable option, I bet!
It also makes the camera set up just a bit too heavy - makes the sony tip forward its that front heavy!
so I personally use the non-helicoid adapter for the 50 Simera, unless I really want to get this close.
Posted some more examples on the Thypoch Simera thread linked above
Taken wide open. Unedited except reduced exposure in post by 1 stop for MFD at 45cm and 0.4 stops for MFD at 0.35
This shows you roughly how much light the extension of the helicoid adapter swallows.
Excellent performance wide open - the main advantage of going that much closer, it allows the aperature to be closed more and still maintain smooth bokeh.
This is more fun than using a short telephoto like a 75 nokton that I used previously.
Does anyone else have a 50 Simera m mount that has a very soft aperture ring?
It is a joke coming from CV clicks
Just posted this in another thread regarding their sale; now the cine lenses are discounted
It appears to me that the production of the m mount barrel is of high quality as opposed to the cheaper Sony mount lenses.
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Totally agree with handling being less fun than CV. But the focus tab and seriously easy switch to infinity aperture ring makes up for it imo.
Only the aperature ring clicks of the 50 are a shame (28 are best and 35 are okay) - need to feel the aperature ring carefully -like someone trying to open an old safe lock - that’s how soft the “clicks” are. It’s a shame really, makes knowing your aperature a pure muscle memory test, unless I constantly look out at the ring to check.
Also, focus ring is a little wobbly on the 28&35 for emount and very very loose.
M-mount 50 has much better production tolerance - feels more premium, focus ring is nicely dampened - compared to the other two - much better (just not as fast for quick focusing). Just the aforementioned soft AF aperture ring on the 50 is a real bummer.
I have to say that the 35 simera has been the most fun for me out of the three 28/35/50 so far. The 35 has the best PoP followed by the 28 and 50.
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What Happydan mentioned with the aperture ring's f-stops being way too minimal in resistance, I haven't come across other people mention. They usually mention the inconsistent spacing on the aperture ring and short focus throw between 0.4-1m, and the bit lower microcontrast as the main negatives as far as I've seen.
Can see how he moves the (type II) aperture ring just after 2min 40s here:
A matter of priorities, obviously. This aperture ring kerfuffle really highlights the overall take that these are not everyman lenses. They are made under the auspices of DZO, to keep the sections of their diverse business separate in their market insertion.
With no EXIF or profiles and The Resistance, the market is self-limiting and to be honest, it might have been better had DZO/Thypoch restricted sale of these 'results' lenses to their domestic and selected markets. The US market is seemingly more about the experience ('fun') and the actions of fiddling the rings these days, than final results.
But it 's always enjoyable watching the wheels turn in the response to disruptive threats to the regime. Circle them wagons, boys! And it can be expected to be most intense with respect to the 50mm region.
My favourite one is 'the Summilux for us all!', a pretty bald attempt to paint this one as a cheap copy of the caefully mythologized 'master lens'.
"The US market is seemingly more about the experience ('fun') and the actions of fiddling the rings these days, than final results."
Geez man, deep breath. That's a rather silly generalization. You really need to stop getting so defensive when people have anything less than positive stuff to report about Thypoch. We get it, that you've been incentivized and trying hard to be an "influencer" but your comments lately are not doing Thypoch or your credibility any favors.
Manufacturer's statement. (https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1880360/17#lastmessage p.18 #19) Happydan wrote:
“The Thypoch team is committed to maintaining the exceptional performance of the original M-mount lenses while fine-tuning the new mount solutions for optimal results. The release of Z/E/X/RF mount lenses will provide photographers with enhanced capabilities to capture transient moments with precision and clarity.” – Thypoch Press Release
The influencer's view. philip_pj wrote:
'the Summilux for us all!', a pretty bald attempt to paint this one as a cheap copy of the caefully mythologized 'master lens'.
Oddly specific question but for people who owned the nokton 40/50mmf1.2 and also picked this lens up:
Do you still have both, and do you plan to keep it that way? Did you get rid of one?
The Nokton is probably my favourite lens. I use it a lot and know what to expect. The simera images seem to look different, more bubbly and light. Thinking it might be nice as an alternative - focussing on people with it (and mounted to Sony).
There's only a small selection of photos with it on flickr. Even less mounted on Sony - actually most of those are on this forum from what I've found anyway.
i’ve owned the nokton 40/1.2, 50/1.2, Simera 50/1.4 Z and the Zeiss ZA50/1.4
i now have the nokton 40/1.2 and Zeiss 50, sold the others.
Reasons:
Between the nokton 40 and nokton 50, the 50 is the technically more perfect lens. Both dual personality (glow wo and sharrp stopped down) which i love. i kept the 40 and sold the 50 as i have a slight preference for that focal length.
Like you, i was intrigued by the Temulux and purchased it. Its a nice lens but i vastly preferred the pop and rendering of my zeiss za 50/1.4. Plus the zeiss also autofocuses. AF was not a deciding factor but a huge bonus. The zeiss feels special and its output just makes me happy.
Yogifi wrote:
Oddly specific question but for people who owned the nokton 40/50mmf1.2 and also picked this lens up:
Do you still have both, and do you plan to keep it that way? Did you get rid of one?
The Nokton is probably my favourite lens. I use it a lot and know what to expect. The simera images seem to look different, more bubbly and light. Thinking it might be nice as an alternative - focussing on people with it (and mounted to Sony).
There's only a small selection of photos with it on flickr. Even less mounted on Sony - actually most of those are on this forum from what I've found anyway. ...Show more →
Happydan wrote: Good times at last. The ancien regime has been rocked, but their products will have to improve now. Or they won't make it
Remember if they don't make it, then progress will stop. The Chinese excel at copying products and finding ways to produce them for ridiculously low cost. They do not excel at innovation or new design. This is essentially a Chinese made Summilux with minor changes and it's exciting because it now makes it affordable. Overcoming the biggest issue with Leica: price. But if it puts Leica under, then innovation in this area will stagnate.
