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p.3 #1 · Twilight Photo


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@Camperjim@ Thank you for the input. I am sorry you do not like the last one. I believe it may be boring, and i maybe I focused on the street lamp, so that maybe not the best accuracy of focusing in the background.

Thank you again for your post-processing of the previous one. The photograph exhibit a much stronger contrast and lightness. It is very attractive. But it is difficult for me to believe on it as a twilight photograph, representing the realistic conditions one may observe at this hour. In previous discussion, see the posts by @RustyBug@, is not
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I said nothing about your last photo. I did a quick fix on the next to last one but because it was quick and easy to use software to largely fix the camera shake. Regarding overall brightness: is your monitor calibrated? What is the brightness setting you are using? On my monitor, which is calibrated, there is no intense contrast. I did let the shadow details go a bit darker. Anyway, I clearly was not there and could not try to reproduce your memory of the scene or your intention.

As always I caution about over interpretation of internet displays. Our different monitors and browsers will affect what each of us sees.

I am also curious about the camera, release mechanism, and settings you used. I know in the past I tried to avoid all but the lowest ISO settings. My current gear and software allow me to bump up the ISO for shorter exposures and less risk of camera shake.



Jul 23, 2025 at 10:18 AM
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p.3 #2 · Twilight Photo


Just a bit later. Postimg won't let you share the full rez with the free version of this service, so linking the hirez result.

https://postimg.cc/5XFzb93Z




Jul 23, 2025 at 10:15 PM
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p.3 #3 · Twilight Photo


Thank you for your answer and sorry for my detailed response during this week i did not find time until now to write

I have an Eizo Monitor, calibrated some weeks ago. I set for 90 candela per square meter, if i recall correctly.

I have a used iso 100, a gitzo tripod and an stable head. I release either with a infrared telecomand or I i set the camera for two second after pressing the button. I think the problem is that i kicked slightly one of the legs (may have happened twice). There was kind of a fence and i put two of the legs in parallel to it, and as close as possible, to avoid the fence to be seen. This left the latter leg close to my feet. I do not know for sure, but i believe i must have touch it with my feet.

In your post-processing, thank you again for taking time to do it, I believe you have increased the contrast of the clift. It makes the photograph more attractive. No doubt about it. The rocks in the clift become very attractive.

In your photograph I have the feeling a "touch" of sun maybe still above the horizon. In mine, which is far less attractive, sun is already under the horizon. Can one keep attractiveness and still have the "sun under the horizon" feeling?

My photograph is maybe not good enough for all these discussion. I just want to learn

How did u fixed the camera movement in post?

Camperjim wrote:
I said nothing about your last photo. I did a quick fix on the next to last one but because it was quick and easy to use software to largely fix the camera shake. Regarding overall brightness: is your monitor calibrated? What is the brightness setting you are using? On my monitor, which is calibrated, there is no intense contrast. I did let the shadow details go a bit darker. Anyway, I clearly was not there and could not try to reproduce your memory of the scene or your intention.

As always I caution about over interpretation of internet displays.
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Jul 27, 2025 at 06:17 AM
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p.3 #4 · Twilight Photo


I used Topaz Sharpen AI. It provides numerous possible choices for sharpening, including setting to minimize or eliminate camera motion.


Jul 27, 2025 at 09:22 AM
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p.3 #5 · Twilight Photo


With slight shifts in exposure and temperature/color balance you might be able to guide the viewer through the photo easier. Darkening the rock wall to the right of the house slightly, and the hills in the background, and then warming up the house using color balance or another adjustment would guide the viewer from front to back a little easier. The key elements of this photo are the rocks (beautiful btw), and the structure in the back. Highlighting this relationship in post-processing would add a narrative or poetic draw to the photograph. Great shot regardless!


Aug 19, 2025 at 02:05 PM
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p.3 #6 · Twilight Photo


Again a twilight example. I am trying to keep committed to try to give twilight feeling with a moderate luminosity. Pitifully, I am very unsatisfied from my post-processing. I believe I can get much more from this photo. Any advice? Thank you very very much in advance!






May 10, 2026 at 05:02 PM
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p.3 #7 · Twilight Photo


hanay78 wrote:
Again a twilight example. I am trying to keep committed to try to give twilight feeling with a moderate luminosity. Pitifully, I am very unsatisfied from my post-processing. I believe I can get much more from this photo. Any advice? Thank you very very much in advance!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55261976484_cfef57bcaf_b.jpg



This is a fine image as it is, but I can see it has a lot of potential to make it great. It all depends on what you have in your mind and what you want the viewer to look at. As it is it doesn't really suggest a twilight scene.
From what I can see looks like you were somehow attracted by the clouds as they cover the largest area of your image. So, I wonder if is that the main element of your image. I also appreciate the the layered mountains in the foreground, midground, and background and the way the add depth.

Twilight hours are characterized by medium-dark cool tones of blue with warm purple undertones. So, you should try aim your edit in that direction. My suggestion would be to be more "aggressive" with your editing. Push the colors (you can always reduce the opacity later. May be you want to add some drama to those clouds.May be you want to soften them.

If this shot was taken at twilight, one thing I found strange is the lack of lights in what appear to be small villages in the valleys. That would add more interest ans character to the image.

It's hard for me to picture what is your vision for this image. However, here is my attempt to give you some suggestions that hopefully will help you realize your own vision.

Socrate







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p.3 #8 · Twilight Photo


Dear Socrate,

thank you very much for your suggestion.

The photo was taken at 20:49, I have another one at 21:15 approx and still the villages have still no lights. In the photo, only very few peaks have still some sunlight.

I have been very conservative with the post processing. I did not tried to make the clouds pop. I was afraid of making something tremendously "artificial".

Your suggestion is interesting, but is kind of "funky" with very strong tones . I believe you were just given a "direction" for the post processing.

Jorge




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This is a fine image as it is, but I can see it has a lot of potential to make it great. It all depends on what you have in your mind and what you want the viewer to look at. As it is it doesn't really suggest a twilight scene.
From what I can see looks like you were somehow attracted by the clouds as they cover the largest area of your image. So, I wonder if is that the main element of your image. I also appreciate the the layered mountains in the foreground, midground, and background and the
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May 11, 2026 at 03:20 PM
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The thing that catches my attention specifically is that you have some very small mountain peaks with brighter areas of luminance. This tells me that you aren't really in "twilight", but rather closer to afterglow, where the sun's angle is coming from just below the horizon, angled upward ... just catching some peaks, and further upward into the clouds.

Recognizing that the lighting from this source is predominantly red for the areas illuminated by the (post-set) sun, and the remaining other areas are illuminated by the much lesser luminance of skylight (and bluer) ... a reduction in exposure and some saturation / vibrance to the red's is in play.

Your posted exposure essentially is processed to daylight ambiance, rather than the time of day / lighting conditions of the sun just below the horizon. Some tweaks to emulate / harness the sunlight condition. How much you want to emulate time of day presence vs. detail illumination might vary, but (imo) under those lighting conditions, there are going to be deep shadows that don't reveal detail.







May 13, 2026 at 11:18 PM
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p.3 #10 · Twilight Photo


@RustyBug@@, thank you very much for answering me!


RustyBug wrote:
The thing that catches my attention specifically is that you have some very small mountain peaks with brighter areas of luminance. This tells me that you aren't really in "twilight", but rather closer to afterglow, where the sun's angle is coming from just below the horizon, angled upward ... just catching some peaks, and further upward into the clouds.


yes, from wikipedia, "Twilight is daylight illumination produced by diffuse sky radiation when the Sun is below the horizon as sunlight from the upper atmosphere is scattered in a way that illuminates both the Earth's lower atmosphere and also the Earth's surface." I believe that my use of twilight word is pertinent, but I agree this is "early" twilight, or civil twilight, or the moment immediately after, or during, the sunset in high mountains. Sorry if it is not.

There is sun in the peaks as you remarked. I use "twilight" mainly as a feeling. The valleys have a complex illumination that is very challenging --maybe too challenging-- for me. In some sense the twilight feeling in the valleys is different than in the coast or in more plain areas.


Recognizing that the lighting from this source is predominantly red for the areas illuminated by the (post-set) sun, and the remaining other areas are illuminated by the much lesser luminance of skylight (and bluer) ... a reduction in exposure and some saturation / vibrance to the red's is in play.


I have been very very conservative in my postprocessing here. It is very easy IMHO to push the clouds with contrast, but not flattering though. I wanted to avoid this, maybe main reason for my conservatism.

I recall very vividly one of your previous post. Your analysis was very brilliant IMHO. In it is was concluded that twilight lightness for white should be around 40% https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1881653/1#16704658. In this photo we have some snow in shadow, which I believed could be use for checking purposes. I checked the lightness there, and it was around 65. Since reflectance of the snow is probably higher than white paint and this is much earlier in the day than in previous examples, I found such figure as representative of a "realistic" feeling of illumination.


Your posted exposure essentially is processed to daylight ambiance, rather than the time of day / lighting conditions of the sun just below the horizon.


Daylight? I do not think so. There is quite bit of magenta in the colors. I am not sure if this is what you said regarding your point about red saturation before. I checked and magenta-green channel is here 0.88. in Rawtherapee equilibrated is 1. Very magenta oriented. Otherwise the fields in the valley takes a greenish colors that contradict my experience in the field.

The illumination is for me very challenging. The light in the valley is mainly dominated by blue. There should be a touch of red or magenta reflected too. The peaks are reddish. But light is intense there and tends to wash the color in the peaks.


Some tweaks to emulate / harness the sunlight condition. How much you want to emulate time of day presence vs. detail illumination might vary, but (imo) under those lighting conditions, there are going to be deep shadows that don't reveal detail.


Yes, the zone 0 shadows in the valley appear quite early. I found them unattractive, details disappear completely.

@RustyBug@@ I read my answer, and I am afraid you may catch the feeling I was "defending" against your comments, or arguing that my post-processing was correct. Not at all, I dislike my results and want help to improve and learn. I was just explaining my logic.


I am afraid that my wish for realism has stopped me from getting a good photo here. Forgetting about the twilight as intend, @RustyBug@@ and @Shasoc how would you post-process for optimal results? same way as in the examples you posted?




May 14, 2026 at 02:59 AM
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p.3 #11 · Twilight Photo


In Rawtherapee:
L of the snow 0.45 (pure twilight illumination <<see previous post>>
blue-yellow 5100K (quite blueish)
magenta-green 0.94 (neutral)
blue-red equalizer 1.07 (reddish colors)
saturation of red +20%
most of forest in the valley in zone 0

is in the direction of what you mean?




May 14, 2026 at 04:09 AM
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p.3 #12 · Twilight Photo


hanay78 wrote:
Again a twilight example. I am trying to keep committed to try to give twilight feeling with a moderate luminosity. Pitifully, I am very unsatisfied from my post-processing. I believe I can get much more from this photo. Any advice? Thank you very very much in advance!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55261976484_cfef57bcaf_b.jpg



Very beautiful, in a subtle way... Gentle tones and peaceful, it's already the way the scene should be. Maybe slightly the darken mountains and valley in the immediate foreground, but otherwise I would not change much...



May 15, 2026 at 12:20 AM
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p.3 #13 · Twilight Photo


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@RustyBug@@@ I read my answer, and I am afraid you may catch the feeling I was "defending" against your comments, or arguing that my post-processing was correct. Not at all,


No problem ... all good.

It is a very tricky proposition to be not the person that was there ... and try to figure out what THE PERSON that was there ... wants to CONVEY as the EXPERIENCE of being there.

(sorry, not meaning to "yell / shout" just pointing out salient aspects for understanding the challenges that Socrate, et al have for trying to read someone else's mind, and execute it without the benefit of a collaborative, in person, effort.)

Our efforts to provide info / insight are only meant as AIDS to YOU ... I don't take your comments as "defense" ... RATHER, you are simply sharing your perspective as part of the communication cycle. Again ... all good.

Cybercomms can be a tough gig sometimes, so no worries about you providing us with your leg of the communication cycle / feedback loop. Again, my contributions are ALWAYS going to some kind of a "guess" to what I think you might be looking for. Sometimes, we get it pretty close to what you're trying to convey ... other times it is a "swing and a miss". Here again, no worries ... we're just offering some input for your use (or not) and consideration. Ultimately, we just want to see you reach YOUR goals for the image.

Again ... all good.



That said ... a point of clarification. When I said "daylight" ... that is mostly in reference to the tonal values and the lack of red in the sky. Your latest revision reveals a kiss of red (color of light / time of day), so it moves the image in that >>> direction. How far you take it / land it in that direction is certainly your call. But, without some aspect of the red ... the time of day is misaligned (imo), and presents as "daylight" ... rather than "twilight" (afterglow, sunset, etc.).

The time of day / color of the light are naturally correlated. We then have the options to adjust those colors ... and in doing so, adjust the presentation of time of day (or weather conditions). When we have mostly neutral colors, "daylight balanced" is the vibe it renders (imo). When we have other colors ... blue hour, golden hour, sunset, et al ... the colors / time of day are presented / conveyed. Imo, the clock and color correlation are something to be well considered whenever trying to convey presence.

That said ... I'd ask what time of day do you think your rendering was taken (earlier / later) vs. mine or Socrate's (earlier / later). The combination of darker tonal values and different colors should render a different emotive response. So, here again ... getting that aligned to what you want to convey is fully at your discretion and liberty.

So, where Socrate and I may present the concepts a bit exaggerated, the concepts we present are hopefully helpful to you to garner an understanding of what / how you might make adjustments DIRECTIONALLY. NOTE: folks often mistake DIRECTIONAL ILLUSTRATION as being our "final" image. The exaggerative presentation is often for illustration / communication of the concept(s). So, yes ... "too far" can readily be a thing, when illustrating such concepts.

HOW FAR to make adjustments remains your call, of course. That said ... your recent version has shifted the "time of day" a bit later than the initial post. Could you take it bit more ... IDK, play with it and see where you find that "more is better" vs. "more is too much" threshold, to want you are trying to convey.

HTH



May 15, 2026 at 06:58 AM
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