brick33308 wrote:
from what I've observed/read, the VM 35/1.2, while producing nice separation and OOF areas, lacks the center sharpness of the 35 nocti. If I was interested in the VM 35/1.2 look, I'd probably pull out my 35 SRR which has similar rendering in terms of not being the sharpest in the center, but has the added benefit of both Leica glow and more of a vintage look.
I think people going for the 35 nocti will not find the VM 35/1.2 even close in terms of rendering.
I will soon find out. The NE storms have delayed my recipe of the Nocti 35.
stgrove wrote:
I will soon find out. The NE storms have delayed my recipe of the Nocti 35.
I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts and maybe seeing pics. I'll especially be interested how you feel about size/weight and lack of focus tab.
brick33308 wrote:
and so the test of what all of us should post is what it adds to YOUR knowledge??
oh puleeez
I don’t think you get my point. If you post what is supposed to be objective information, then yes, it should add something to what is already available. AI is just tapping into web pages, after all. No need to post that stuff in a thread here. You’re just reposting stuff. You’re wasting our time as much as some here that keep on going on and on and on. Except in your case, you didn’t even write it yourself. You don’t see me or others posting their full research into something they’re interested in, right?
No I don't get your point, and you definitely don't get mine. How about you stop with the insults and let's agree to disagree. And if Fred thinks I've done wrong by posting 2 of my AI chats, I'll certainly abide by his instruction if he lets me know.
brick33308 wrote:
No I don't get your point, and you definitely don't get mine. How about you stop with the insults and let's agree to disagree. And if Fred thinks I've done wrong by posting 2 of my AI chats, I'll certainly abide by his instruction if he lets me know.
I keep hearing that the longer focus throw, and the lack of a focus tab, is justified because it's a 35mm f/1.2 lens with super thin depth of field. But f/1.2 vs f/1.4 on a 35mm lens is only about a 14 to 15% difference in DOF. That's real, but it is not some night and day change that automatically requires a long throw. I think Leica could have included a tab and used a shorter throw, and it would still be totally fine to nail focus, just like it is with a 35mm f/1.4.
johnvanr wrote:
Can we please stop posting AI ramblings? It’s like copying reviews. We’re interested in YOUR thinking, so just share what you took away from AI, if that’s what you want to use. But please don’t share the whole thing. It’s clutter.
I appreciate the “AI ramblings” and find them instructive. Of course, I’ve used AI a number of times where I had to correct the answer, but it is really easy to ignore someone's post. On the other hand, if they don’t post, I don’t get a chance to take in what it says and decide if I find value.
bwcolor wrote:
I appreciate the “AI ramblings” and find them instructive. Of course, I’ve used AI a number of times where I had to correct the answer, but it is really easy to ignore someone's post. On the other hand, if they don’t post, I don’t get a chance to take in what it says and decide if I find value.
Well, we disagree then. I fear the day that these forums are filled with copy/paste stuff that's just a repeat. Even now, some automatic AI searches that show up in my browser quote FM.com as a source. A bit incestuous. I guess I'll bail when this becomes another AI-driven/drivel platform without enough of a human presence.
John, you and I don’t agree on much, but this one deserves a firm handshake 🤝
johnvanr wrote:
Well, we disagree then. I fear the day that these forums are filled with copy/paste stuff that's just a repeat. Even now, some automatic AI searches that show up in my browser quote FM.com as a source. A bit incestuous. I guess I'll bail when this becomes another AI-driven/drivel platform without enough of a human presence.
Well none of the posters here actually own or used the 35mm Noctilux so do any of their opinions have value when they repeat what they have read elsewhere? It’s a chat forum. Feel free. Don’t make it a big deal.
hkrazerx wrote:
Well none of the posters here actually own or used the 35mm Noctilux so do any of their opinions have value when they repeat what they have read elsewhere? It’s a chat forum. Feel free. Don’t make it a big deal.
But that's exactly the point. If I chat with people in a bar, I expect them to share their insights and opinions, not to pull up a book or spec sheet. I can do that myself, on my own time.
johnvanr wrote:
Well, we disagree then. I fear the day that these forums are filled with copy/paste stuff that's just a repeat. Even now, some automatic AI searches that show up in my browser quote FM.com as a source. A bit incestuous. I guess I'll bail when this becomes another AI-driven/drivel platform without enough of a human presence.
Up to Fred...
When an AI bot joins the forum, then I will support expulsion, but this is different. A human member finds value in what was posted and posted thinking that others may find value. This is a human posting and not a bot.
Fred Miranda wrote:
I keep hearing that the longer focus throw, and the lack of a focus tab, is justified because it's a 35mm f/1.2 lens with super thin depth of field. But f/1.2 vs f/1.4 on a 35mm lens is only about a 14 to 15% difference in DOF. That's real, but it is not some night and day change that automatically requires a long throw. I think Leica could have included a tab and used a shorter throw, and it would still be totally fine to nail focus, just like it is with a 35mm f/1.4.
I initially thought the same thing with the 24 Lux and added one of the 7Artisans aftermarket tabs, which fit really well. However, after using the lens with that tab for a few months, I ended up removing it. The ergonomics actually felt like they took a hit when I added the focus tab. I think because it’s so fat, it works really well without the tab.
I've bought one and I'm pretty impressed so far, note that I've only tested it around the house due to heavy storms this week. I traded in the Summilux 35 FLE (pre Close Focus).
Not as sharp as the APO 35, but what is really? But it is plenty sharp in the center, much more so than the Summilux.
bwcolor wrote:
When an AI bot joins the forum, then I will support expulsion, but this is different. A human member finds value in what was posted and posted thinking that others may find value. This is a human posting and not a bot.
It's a slippery slope. I've found posts on other forums that are copy/pastes of ChatGPT regurgitating quotes of MINE from my website (opinions) and presenting them as empirical facts. People then paste those results and act as if it's the voice of authority.
You have no idea whose opinions you are reading when you get AI results, because all it's doing is running advanced web searches and returning opinions as fact.
JohnKraus wrote:
Kevin is an excellent photographer. The crushed blacks is an artistic choice, you can like it or not.
He is an excellent photographer, but Death Valley and wide open Noctilux don’t mix . I would much rather see stopped down shots. Lucky for me, I’ll be making this trip next month - with both the Noctilux and Cron APO in the bag.
RoamingScott wrote:
I want to know how people like this guy get advance copies...he gushes about how long he's waited for this lens and then puts up, legitimately, some of the worst photos I've seen a YouTuber post in the last year.
Reviewing an image that is 90% crushed blacks: "it just has that LOOK, you know?"
I know art is subjective, but these images do the lens and the landscape no favors. I don't get using this lens for landscape work anyway, but I'm a telephoto landscape guy, so that may just be bias.
Cam's Noctilux images in his review were strong, as usual. I'd be curious if Leica gets behind Kevin's review.
rsolti13 wrote:
I initially thought the same thing with the 24 Lux and added one of the 7Artisans aftermarket tabs, which fit really well. However, after using the lens with that tab for a few months, I ended up removing it. The ergonomics actually felt like they took a hit when I added the focus tab. I think because it’s so fat, it works really well without the tab.
I agree, adding a tab to a lens not designed for one can hurt ergonomics, especially on a fat barrel, so I get why you removed it. My point is slightly different. I am not saying Leica should add a tab to the Noct as it exists, but they could have designed it from the start with a tab and a shorter throw, like the 35/1.4 Lux (FLE)
The "f/1.2 needs a huge throw because of super thin DOF" argument doesn't hold much water. f/1.2 vs f/1.4 is only a 14–15% DOF difference. Real, but not enough to justify a massive throw on its own. Distance matters more than that small aperture change.
RomanMF wrote:
I know art is subjective, but these images do the lens and the landscape no favors. I don't get using this lens for landscape work anyway, but I'm a telephoto landscape guy, so that may just be bias.
Cam's Noctilux images in his review were strong, as usual. I'd be curious if Leica gets behind Kevin's review.
I really like the look he created-
I honestly think this is where a Noctilux 35 will shine for me. I love vignetting, un crisp edges etc for landscape use. We can all go out and use a Medium format camera and get sharp results of a landscape at f/8.
These are much more in my wheelhouse then al ot of the stopped down images I see that gets rinse and repeated when you go to a location like this.
. I would much rather see stopped down shots. Lucky for me, I’ll be making this trip next month - with both the Noctilux and Cron APO in the bag.