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Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?

  
 
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p.4 #1 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


I was experimenting with the dpreview studio test, which is an excellent tool for comparing color between cameras, and I was surprised by how much warmer the RX1R3 images look compared to the RX1R and RX1R2.

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/4109350402/welcome-to-our-studio-test-scene

Interestingly, the RX1R3's tint seems to remove the extra magenta present in the RX1R2's colors, bringing it closer to the original RX1's tint. As a result, the RX1R3 now looks similar to the original RX1 in tint, but noticeably warmer...about +8 toward amber on the temperature slider in LR.

Here are my settings when comparing color from these cameras:




Adjustment needed for RX1R images to match RX1R II images






Adjustment needed for RX1R II images to match RX1R III images






Adjustment needed for RX1R images to match RX1R III images




Aug 09, 2025 at 03:31 PM
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p.4 #2 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Continuing on dpreview's Studio Scene page, the Sonnar 35mm f/2 does not seem to resolve significantly more detail outside the center area, even when comparing 61MP to 24MP. In the center, the RX1R3 clearly shows much more detail, but away from the center, the image mostly looks larger without actually revealing more detail. Here are a couple of examples to illustrate this:

You can also see the warmer color temperature I mentioned earlier in the RX1R3 files:




Away from the center, both lenses resolve similarly since the files were normalized to 24MP.






RX1R3 @61MP, RX1R @24MP






Away from the center, both lenses resolve similarly since the files were normalized to 24MP.






RX1R3 @61MP, RX1R @24MP




Aug 09, 2025 at 06:18 PM
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p.4 #3 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Because this highly praised old lens can resolve ~30MP at center at best. I've never understand why RX1RII owners claim it sharp, it wasn't among the sharpest lenses 10 years ago. Leica Q 28mm is significant sharper, still it's also not high resolution optimised lens like in Q3 43 and GFX100RF.
Of course sharpness is not everything, but this lens also shows other optical weaknesses. Still we have to consider the size before starting to compare it to a 35GM, however I think Sony could design a superior lens for this mk3.



Aug 10, 2025 at 12:51 AM
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p.4 #4 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Lukacs wrote:
Because this highly praised old lens can resolve ~30MP at center at best. I've never understand why RX1RII owners claim it sharp, it wasn't among the sharpest lenses 10 years ago. Leica Q 28mm is significant sharper, still it's also not high resolution optimised lens like in Q3 43 and GFX100RF.
Of course sharpness is not everything, but this lens also shows other optical weaknesses. Still we have to consider the size before starting to compare it to a 35GM, however I think Sony could design a superior lens for this mk3.


they haven't managed to make a better 35mm lens that isn't tiny so i doubt they can make one that is. but yeah, i'm sure they could make a sharper one.



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Aug 10, 2025 at 10:24 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
Because this highly praised old lens can resolve ~30MP at center at best. I've never understand why RX1RII owners claim it sharp, it wasn't among the sharpest lenses 10 years ago. Leica Q 28mm is significant sharper, still it's also not high resolution optimised lens like in Q3 43 and GFX100RF.
Of course sharpness is not everything, but this lens also shows other optical weaknesses. Still we have to consider the size before starting to compare it to a 35GM, however I think Sony could design a superior lens for this mk3.


But why would they? The 35 f2 has been praised for 10 years. The RX1r image thread shows what the lens is capable of…it’s the cameras number one feature.



Aug 10, 2025 at 10:54 AM
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I'm sure there are those with small steady hands who don't shoot in the wet who'll love it.

That would be me. No problems shooting at 1/30th and mostly used in California or traveling…only rarely remote camping in the rain forests of Ecuador. ;-)



Aug 10, 2025 at 11:34 AM
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p.4 #7 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


sebboh wrote:
they haven't managed to make a better 35mm lens that isn't tiny so i doubt they can make one that is. but yeah, i'm sure they could make a sharper one.


I think Sony could develop an improved 35mm f/2 Sonnar, but they have probably figured that any changes wouldn’t be big enough to make it worth the effort. The 35/2 Sonnar was really ahead of its time and still stands as a great 35/2 AF lens for its size. A lot of its unique performance comes from being a built-in lens with the rear element sitting almost right against the sensor.

My take is that increasing MPs in new cameras doesn't improve off-axis performance all that much. The improvements seem to be mostly around the center, which actually makes sense. At least, that's what the studio test shows, even though it's not a perfect measure.



Aug 10, 2025 at 01:36 PM
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I like the Sonnar in the Rx1Rii, I have. It’s definitely not the sharpest. Basically every 35mm I have is as sharp or sharper. But it holds plenty of detail for most tasks and it draws really well. I feel it’s a bit better at distance, which is why I never put much stock in chart tests. But also something in me says that for $5K they should have had a go at improving it. The RX1R3 feels like a lazy camera upgrade to me.

And, giving this camera a gold award is everything wrong with DP Review, reviews. To give a camera that has a relatively unsharp lens, no IBIS, no flip screen and no weather sealing a *best in class* award is frankly, pathetic. Yes, a Q3 is larger but the Rx1R3 won’t fit in any pocket that a Q3 won’t so is IBIS, an IP rating, a better EVF, a flip screen not worth $500? And the X100VI seems to pull as much, if not more detail away from the centre and that lens also struggles. Sure the Sony AF is spectacular. On a camera like this I’m not sure that better bird tracking is really important….

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Aug 10, 2025 at 03:23 PM
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p.4 #9 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


flash wrote:
Snip...And, giving this camera a gold award is everything wrong with DP Review, reviews...


Frankly, does anyone take the reviews seriously?



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Aug 10, 2025 at 04:02 PM
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p.4 #10 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


https://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA/sony-rx1riii-photo-preview/

map camera's review, has a lot of image samples



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But why would they? The 35 f2 has been praised for 10 years. The RX1r image thread shows what the lens is capable of…it’s the cameras number one feature.

I've never disliked this Sonnar lens, but I see the weaknesses, especially the lack of sharpness. I had Zeiss 35 f2.8 on A7III, it's like a small brother of this lens, the main difference is the bokeh quality due lens design and aperture. I liked that lens because of the small, unnoticable size with high build quality, but also lacked sharpness and resolution, but it wasn't really problem considering the used price.

I think there is some kind of popularity mass effect. This lens is praised since the first RX1, but more than a decade passed. Other hand original X100's 23 f2 lens had poor resolution, and it stuck on X100 series, on X100VI the lens still considered poor performer, however it has almost same resolution as the Sonar. And that camera is 1/4 price of the RX1RIII.
I like the image quality of the lens, resolution is still acceptable in most situations, especially the main purpose, environmental portraits. However if I'm considering the price as a 35GM and 50 1.2GM owner, hard to swallow the pill both wide open performance, both stopped down for landscapes how far behind. The 40 2.5 outclasses it in resolution, yes it's not f2.0, doesn't have that nice F2 rendering, but it's Sony's "budget" prime lens with almost smaller size if we consider it's not attached to the sensor.
Still this camera is a great upgrade for those praised the lens, loved their RX1RII but want better battery life and today standard's performance. I'd prefer a new lens design with modern, fast AF motor and a 42MP stacked sensor to overcome 1/2000 leaf shutter limitation.



Aug 11, 2025 at 01:59 AM
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p.4 #12 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


The Zeiss 35mm f2 is certainly not the sharpest lens anymore or even back then but I think the colors, contrast, and bokeh of those early Sony Zeiss lenses were great and superior to many of the later Sony G/GM lenses and some of the other alternative cameras out there



Aug 11, 2025 at 08:21 PM
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p.4 #13 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Which ones? 35/2.8, 28/2, 55/1.8?

tzhang4284 wrote:
The Zeiss 35mm f2 is certainly not the sharpest lens anymore or even back then but I think the colors, contrast, and bokeh of those early Sony Zeiss lenses were great and superior to many of the later Sony G/GM lenses and some of the other alternative cameras out there




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Which ones? 35/2.8, 28/2, 55/1.8?



Zeiss 35mm f2 (rx1r), 50mm f1.4 and 55mm f1.8 comes to my mind. I didn’t love the 35mm f2.8 much but it had some hint of it



Aug 11, 2025 at 09:04 PM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
Zeiss 35mm f2 (rx1r), 50mm f1.4 and 55mm f1.8 comes to my mind. I didn’t love the 35mm f2.8 much but it had some hint of it


Yes, I forgot about the Zeiss 50mm f/1.4. It's definitely one of the best lenses for Sony but quite big. The 55mm f/1.8 is great for its size though it has a bit less contrast compared to the f/1.4. I still own the 28mm f/2 and 55mm f/1.8 and they were the OG!

There's definitely something special about Zeiss lenses. Some time ago, I compared the Zeiss 50mm f/1.5 Sonnar to the Sony 55mm f/1.8 and couldn't match their level of micro-contrast. The 50mm f/1.5 had lower resolution, but subjects just seemed to pop more compared to the Sony. Boosting contrast doesn't replicate this...it's just a unique look. The Zony 50/1.4 has this!



Aug 11, 2025 at 09:37 PM
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p.4 #16 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Lukacs wrote:
I've never disliked this Sonnar lens, but I see the weaknesses, especially the lack of sharpness. I had Zeiss 35 f2.8 on A7III, it's like a small brother of this lens, the main difference is the bokeh quality due lens design and aperture. I liked that lens because of the small, unnoticable size with high build quality, but also lacked sharpness and resolution, but it wasn't really problem considering the used price.

I think there is some kind of popularity mass effect. This lens is praised since the first RX1, but more than a decade passed. Other hand original X100's
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This makes sense. The Zeiss 35mm f/2 Sonnar was outstanding on a 24MP sensor. When it first came out, I was shocked by how sharp it was from edge to edge. But as sensor megapixels increased, its imperfections became more noticeable. With the RX1R II, I noticed the corners weren't quite as sharp as I had thought, though still very good.

The new 61MP sensor makes this even clearer. So, the lens was and still is great, but newer high-megapixel sensors demand more advanced lens designs. Usually, that means more complex designs with more elements, and larger lenses.

In the case of the Sony FE 40mm f/2.5, they did a great job keeping the lens small with only minor compromises. But like you said, it's not really a f/2.0 and closer to f/2.8 instead.

Many shooters already feel (perhaps unrealistically) that the Sonnar 35mm f/2, as compact as it is, is too big for the RX1 series. So I'm sure Sony could improve the lens, but they didn't want to increase the size...even by 1mm.

The biggest complaint is definitely the price. If the RX1R III dropped to $3,995 tomorrow, I think people would be a lot more willing to accept its compromises. At that price, the flaws would feel more like quirks you learn to love rather than deal-breakers.



Aug 11, 2025 at 09:56 PM
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All I can say is three days later I love the RX1RIII and it feels like a solid upgrade over my RX1RII. While I am not shooting any sports the AF is much faster and more accurate than the RII. Do not miss the tilt screen, like that this screen is better than the one on the II, write speed is much faster, battery life for sure better, viewfinder is still the same but like it being fixed as opposed to the pop up. Understand it is not inexpensive but given the engineering involved to squeeze it all into such a small form factor, throwing around suggested prices of $3,550 to $4,000 seems unrealistic. The camera would have cost around $4,500 if it were not for the tariffs.


Aug 11, 2025 at 11:48 PM
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This makes sense. The Zeiss 35mm f/2 Sonnar was outstanding on a 24MP sensor. When it first came out, I was shocked by how sharp it was from edge to edge. But as sensor megapixels increased, its imperfections became more noticeable. With the RX1R II, I noticed the corners weren't quite as sharp as I had thought, though still very good.

The new 61MP sensor makes this even clearer. So, the lens was and still is great, but newer high-megapixel sensors demand more advanced lens designs. Usually, that means more complex designs with more elements, and larger lenses.

In the case
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Of course expecting a same size modern Sony lens design with higher resolution, less CA is only a conception I'm not optical designer. I have only assumption because the optical superiority of 40 f2.5 over Zeiss 35 f2.8 in almost same size. F2 lens is more complex than f2.5-2.8, especially keep it high resolution in same time. It's not coincidence Fuji decide an F3 FF equivalent 35mm F4 lens on GFX100RF, they needed resolution over speed, still keep the lens small as possible. It has huge amount of distortion, I've never experienced before without distortion correction the image is unusable. I may call it as a major disadvantage but the end of the day I'd choose a correction close to perfect result over a significant bigger lens in an EDC camera. My problem with Leica Q series, the lens size, so maybe this is the indicator why Sony not upgraded the lens, because impossible task keep the small size with significant optical improvements.
I had, and still have some inner conflict keeping the GFX100RF or sell it for an RX1RIII. Most use are my kids, family portraits, events and some landscape, cityscape. The F2 lens and fast Sony Af is really tempting, but the same time only really fast movements when I struggle with Fuji's AF, the 35 f4 optical performance is on different dimension (CA, resolution), I prefer the camera form factor, usability (tilt screen, EVF), and the undepletable battery (simply I don't have to care about battery life, like in a DSLR). And still I have 35GM and bought a cheap used A7III if I want more background separation.



Aug 12, 2025 at 01:42 AM
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p.4 #19 · Any thoughts on Sony’s new RX1R III?


Landshark99 wrote:
All I can say is three days later I love the RX1RIII and it feels like a solid upgrade over my RX1RII. While I am not shooting any sports the AF is much faster and more accurate than the RII. Do not miss the tilt screen, like that this screen is better than the one on the II, write speed is much faster, battery life for sure better, viewfinder is still the same but like it being fixed as opposed to the pop up. Understand it is not inexpensive but given the engineering involved to squeeze it all into such
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Price aside, there's no doubt the RX1R III is the best in the series. Everything is better and improved. Like you noted, the screen no longer tilts, but it now offers much higher resolution, so at least Sony gave us that trade. I think once you start shooting with the RX1R III for a while, going back to the II and especially the original RX1R would feel very frustrating, even if the overall image quality is almost the same, with the main differences being in color output and resolution.

I've shot extensively with the RX1R, which I still own, and with the RX1R II for many years. I wouldn’t mind picking up an RX1R III at some point, but only if the price becomes justifiable to me. At the moment, open-box RX1R III bodies are already listed for $4,500 on the buy and sell board, and some are selling for even less. The real market always sets the price. I'm sure Sony is not having any trouble keeping this camera in stock.



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Can this really be obtained for $3600ish USD if you buy in Japan? I have friends going there.


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