They show a knob, but the GFX version is quite a bit shorter, and visually it's not obvious where it could rotate, which supports their statement about lack of rotation.
They show a knob, but the GFX version is quite a bit shorter, and visually it's not obvious where it could rotate, which supports their statement about lack of rotation.
that is a shame, you can only shift in landscape mode. I could care less about tilt, shift is what I use the most on the 17mm TSE.
I guess I will be keeping the TSE
They show a knob, but the GFX version is quite a bit shorter, and visually it's not obvious where it could rotate, which supports their statement about lack of rotation.
Ugh, thanks for spotting. I had already ordered and it's shipping here. It's so hard to see on their Amazon listing but I probably will have to return it if I can't even rotate 90 degrees.
Creative Edge wrote:
I just noticed that, will be canceling.. I thought you can rotate.
Having never owned a TS lens, I'm keeping my order as $500 makes for an inexpensive introduction to TS. I can always upgrade, later. Actually, with all my years of photography and the ridiculous number of lenses I have owned, it almost seems crazy that I have never had a TS lens.
I have relied on Photoshop tuning to make my "shift" adjustments. Below, is an example from travels in Spain seven years ago. I make such adjustments on most of my architectual shots. I'll look forward to obtaining corrected verticals right out of the camera!
AFTER: A7RIII, GM 16-35mm f2.8, ISO 200, 20mm, F6.3, 1/6400, Edited in Photoshop
InFocus2014 wrote:
Having never owned a TS lens, I'm keeping my order as $500 makes for an inexpensive introduction to TS. I can always upgrade, later. Actually, with all my years of photography and the ridiculous number of lenses I have owned, it almost seems crazy that I have never had a TS lens.
I have relied on Photoshop tuning to make my "shift" adjustments. Below, is an example from travels in Spain seven years ago. I make such adjustments on most of my architectual shots. I'll look forward to obtaining corrected verticals right out of the camera!
once you use a Tilt shift lens you will be hooked..
InFocus2014 wrote:
Having never owned a TS lens, I'm keeping my order as $500 makes for an inexpensive introduction to TS. I can always upgrade, later. Actually, with all my years of photography and the ridiculous number of lenses I have owned, it almost seems crazy that I have never had a TS lens.
I have relied on Photoshop tuning to make my "shift" adjustments. Below, is an example from travels in Spain seven years ago. I make such adjustments on most of my architectual shots. I'll look forward to obtaining corrected verticals right out of the camera!
My copy arrived last night. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I did unpack it. It feels very solid and is quite heavy. I'll post some images as soon as able. A couple quick observations:
TTArtisans packaging is quite good and the lens is well protected. (same as I have observed with other TTArtisan purchases)
Overall, the lens is quite large and hefty. I haven't mounted it on the camera, but it will feel nose heavy.
The lens is well built and quite solid. Focus is smooth and well dampened. The aperture ring is not as smooth and well dampened as my Voightlaner or Laowa lens. This has been common to my other TTArtisans lenses as well. The F Stop detentes are firm and you're not going to accidentally knock it out of position.
The lock buttons for tilt and shift could be larger. They do secure the lens adjustments well. There is a 0 position detente for both tilt and shift. There is also a max detente for tilt and shift as well.
I need to play around with the tilt and shift to know how much to loosen the lock. Too far and it can feel a little sloppy when you make adjustments.
Rotation is pretty straight forward. There are VERY firm detentes at pre-set intervals. You are not going to accidentally mis-rotate the lens.
The lens cover is well designed. A bit plasticky, but protects the lens well and if installed properly will not fall off.
The lens hood seems like it is more designed to protect the lens rather than fully shield from glare.
I also received a free T-Shirt!
I'll share more once I have a chance to test it out. - Kk
I've had a chance to test this lens out a little bit as we are having a fall/winter storm so limited opportunities to get out and do a full run through. That said, here are some images of the packaging and the lens mounted on my Sony A7R5.
Conditions here haven't been good for shooting, so when we had a brief clearing in the clouds I took some shots of this tree in my front yard. I would have preferred to do a horizon test, but it's just too windy.
100% Crop of extreme upper right of the panorama. This is shifted fully up, far corner. Again, it's windy so a lot of movement in the leaves. Shot at F8 1/50 Shift up upper right by Kevin Kemner, on Flickr
100% Crop of extreme lower left of the panorama. Shifted full down, extreme lower left. F8 1/50 shift down lower left by Kevin Kemner, on Flickr
If someone is interested in seeing the full size images, i can set up a share file to download them individually.
My initial impression is quite favorable. Image quality is quite good. I did try some interior shots and overall I was impressed with how the corners held up and color rendition. In my opinion, the rotation and shift functions work the best mechanically. The tilt function requires more care when loosening the lock screw and can bottom out if you are not careful. I do wish the thumb screws were larger and I may look to see if there is a mod that would give you a better grip.
Kevner wrote:
Conditions here haven't been good for shooting, so when we had a brief clearing in the clouds I took some shots of this tree in my front yard. I would have preferred to do a horizon test, but it's just too windy.
If someone is interested in seeing the full size images, i can set up a share file to download them individually.
My initial impression is quite favorable. Image quality is quite good. I did try some interior shots and overall I was impressed with how the corners held up and color rendition. In my opinion, the rotation and shift functions work the best mechanically. The tilt function requires more care when loosening the lock screw and can bottom out if you are not careful. I do wish the thumb screws were larger and I may look to see if there is a mod that would give you a better grip.
I emailed TTArtisan support to confirm the restrictions for the GFX mount version and they confirmed them writing:
"Thank you for reaching out to us regarding the TTArtisan 17mm f/4 Tilt-Shift lens in GF mount.
I understand your concern about the shift function when using the camera in portrait orientation. However, I must inform you that the shift function is indeed limited to landscape orientation with this particular lens. This limitation is due to the design and mechanical constraints of the lens, which are optimized for landscape use to ensure the best possible performance and image quality within the given specifications.
While the lens does cover more than the GFX sensor image circle, the shift mechanism is designed to work effectively only in landscape orientation. Using it in portrait orientation would not provide the same level of functionality and could potentially lead to vignetting or other optical issues.
I hope this explanation clarifies the situation. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Kevner wrote:
Conditions here haven't been good for shooting, so when we had a brief clearing in the clouds I took some shots of this tree in my front yard. I would have preferred to do a horizon test, but it's just too windy.
If someone is interested in seeing the full size images, i can set up a share file to download them individually.
My initial impression is quite favorable. Image quality is quite good. I did try some interior shots and overall I was impressed with how the corners held up and color rendition. In my opinion, the rotation and shift functions work the best mechanically. The tilt function requires more care when loosening the lock screw and can bottom out if you are not careful. I do wish the thumb screws were larger and I may look to see if there is a mod that would give you a better grip.
I have to agree, it looks like an excellent buy. I have used a Canon 17mm TS-E and Canon Laowa 12mm with MSC (shift converter 17mm equivalent) on my Sony A7Rx bodies in the past, which I sold as I could achieve similar IQ by just shooting ultra wide (around 12mm) and corrective the perspective distortion in post (albeit after losing about 1/3 of the pixels). Based on these samples, the sharpness into the shifted edges on this TTArtisan looks better (and cheaper) than either of those.
Edit: I just noticed the TTArtisan shifts only to 8mm, while the Canon 17mm and Laowa 12mm/MSC can shift to 12mm and 11mm, so this is maybe an unfair comparison. Still, it looks very decent shifted at 8mm.
I just received mine and played with it for a short while on my GFX100S II.
The image quality seems to be quite good and with an equivalent FL of 13.5mm I have, as a minimum, a decent indoor architectural lens.
The 8mm shift isn't bad, but I can already see that 12mm would provide a lot more flexibility. Not being able to shift in portrait mode is also another significant shortcoming for how I like to shoot.
For me, the biggest annoyance with the lens is the tiny knob(s) that really need to be cranked hard to lock both tilt and shift. If I use the lens a lot, I can see where I will have some really sore fingers.
Actually, not bad for $509, although I would be willing to pay more for additional features. I realize that to expand image orientation and shift for MF, it would need to be larger and heavier, compromises I would be willing to accept.
InFocus2014 wrote:
I just received mine and played with it for a short while on my GFX100S II.
The image quality seems to be quite good and with an equivalent FL of 13.5mm I have, as a minimum, a decent indoor architectural lens.
The 8mm shift isn't bad, but I can already see that 12mm would provide a lot more flexibility. Not being able to shift in portrait mode is also another significant shortcoming for how I like to shoot.
For me, the biggest annoyance with the lens is the tiny knob(s) that really need to be cranked hard to lock both tilt and shift. If I use the lens a lot, I can see where I will have some really sore fingers.
Actually, not bad for $509, although I would be willing to pay more for additional features. I realize that to expand image orientation and shift for MF, it would need to be larger and heavier, compromises I would be willing to accept....Show more →
I recall back in my DSLR days, many similar complaints about the small knobs on the 17mm & 24mm TS-E (which were larger than these on the TTArtisan), so some larger knurled replacement knobs became available from 3rd party sellers on E-bay. I wonder if that might happen here?
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on this lens, just waiting for a proper review from someone that knows how to properly test the shift function on a shift lens. I like to shoot some pretty tall buildings (Toronto) so I'm worried that the limited 8mm shift (on Sony) might not be a big enough reason to take this lens versus my 12-24mm GM and correct perspective distortion in post. I guess if the 8mm shift gets most, but not all of the perspective distortion corrected in camera, then that's something.
InFocus2014 wrote:
I just received mine and played with it for a short while on my GFX100S II.
The image quality seems to be quite good and with an equivalent FL of 13.5mm I have, as a minimum, a decent indoor architectural lens.
The 8mm shift isn't bad, but I can already see that 12mm would provide a lot more flexibility. Not being able to shift in portrait mode is also another significant shortcoming for how I like to shoot.
For me, the biggest annoyance with the lens is the tiny knob(s) that really need to be cranked hard to lock both tilt and shift. If I use the lens a lot, I can see where I will have some really sore fingers.
Actually, not bad for $509, although I would be willing to pay more for additional features. I realize that to expand image orientation and shift for MF, it would need to be larger and heavier, compromises I would be willing to accept....Show more →
I ended up not canceling my order. I may as well give it a try. I will be keeping my 17 TSE for the times I need shift in portrait mode. I also prefer the sunstars of the TT... Most of the time on the 17 TSE with the GFX max shift I do is 8mm, so in that regards no complaints.
