Newenglandrocks wrote:
So how many A9iii owners here are looking at trading down? I saw there is $500 off if I buy a GMii lens, so this might make a lot of sense as I'm no longer shooting college sports...
Not even apples and oranges. I got the A9III when it came out knowing I wasn't going to love the lower megapixels, but wanting black-out free and AI AF. It did not disappoint.
For me it's now a special use-case camera for when I'm shooting fast action as nothing can come close, not even the A1II. When I want to shoot eagles or ospreys diving (not often) or hummingbirds in flight (more often), it's my go-to camera. The 120fps or even just 60fps is just...nuts. And the AF is still a bit better than even the new A1II.
What I can't wait for is a newer version of global shutter in an A1II with improved dynamic range and 120fps at 51 megapixels. That will be revolutionary.
joychris wrote:
The Nikon doesn't do anything other than tilt or flip - the worst of both worlds.
As I said, it's a matter of opinion, or rather, it depends on how you use the camera yourself. In any case, you're luckier than me, because Sony chose the version that suits you.
Choderboy wrote:
For ME, the most important spec won't be provided by Sony: Sensor read speed.
It should not take long for someone to provide that information.
I thought I've seen a few numbers tossed out there already, around 15.1ms
RoamingScott wrote:
People are allowed to comment on any brand, no matter what they shoot. Many of us shoot multiple brands and hold no specific loyalty. It’s funny to see the defensiveness on the other shoe for the first time in MANY years though.
Wow - you don't seem quite so tolerant yourself on the Nikon forums - maybe you are ageing better than some others
Outstanding wrote:
Z8 is amazing with any lens weighing over 700g, added weight helps with balancing. Also I have average sized hands for a 6' person and find Sony bodies uncomfortable. Grip is too close to the lens mount and some fat lenses cause cramps in fingers.
The balancing argument never held water imo. It is just hard cope by people who are used to the past when teles were front heavy and overall heavy. Modern teles will be center balanced and the center of gravity will be near there.
It is more of what people tell themselves when they want to convince themself that their preferences are really just based on what they are used to and familiar with.
Just started following this thread. I shoot Sony and Canon for full frame and now Fuji for APS-C. Tried Nikon Z back with the Z9 but unfortunately left the brand when there was no “smaller” Z8 in the family.
I do like having both grip and non- gripped bodies where I take off the grip when I travel.
I’m just a stills shooter so the lack of the video features is not an issues other than how it might down the road effect resale value. Overall I’m pretty happy to see pre-capture since it missing in a cheaper price point is what had me trade one of my two A1’s for a Canon R5 Mark II. Just was reluctant to pay $3000 more for that capability and do a swap of an A1 for the A11 II. Now have to decide if it’s useful in only a 33 Mpixel body since I don’t shoot sports any more like I used to. I use it with wildlife and birds in flight so the higher Mpixels is more desirable.
I have pre-ordered but trying to see if I actually go through with it by reading as much about it as I can. Used to own the A7IV but swapped it out for an A7CII that is in my travel bag and like it’s small size.
Did wish it had two symmetrical CFexpress Type A /SD slots and the 5.6 Mpixel EVF both original misreported by the rumor sites. Both probably would have raised the price but I think it would have made it more desirable. Oh well we will see.
RoamingScott wrote:
Pretty pathetic from the video side of the house (no internal RAW, no 6k, no open gate, no shutter angle), but such has been the trend from Sony. If you want a real hybrid, this isn't it, especially at the price.
That leaves the question, is this worth $3000 as a stills camera vs the competition?
I'm dying to see the amazing work you create with your Nikon. I mean it must be REALLY great because you consistently post arrogant/anti Sony comments. Put up or shut up.
swldstn wrote:
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Did wish it had two symmetrical CFexpress Type A /SD slots and the 5.6 Mpixel EVF both original misreported by the rumor sites. Both probably would have raised the price but I think it would have made it more desirable. Oh well we will see.
Oh - this is such a bummer. I didn't read the fine print on this. I've kinda switched to CF-A cards completely and from the perspective of quality of life, this would be a major reason to not trade one of my bodies for an A7v. First world problems, right?!
If true, not very exciting. A little faster than Canon R5 (original) which has about 33% more pixels, non stacked sensor.
Choderboy wrote:
For ME, the most important spec won't be provided by Sony: Sensor read speed.
It should not take long for someone to provide that information.
jhapeman wrote:
I thought I've seen a few numbers tossed out there already, around 15.1ms
shadow9d9 wrote:
The balancing argument never held water imo. It is just hard cope by people who are used to the past when teles were front heavy and overall heavy. Modern teles will be center balanced and the center of gravity will be near there.
It is more of what people tell themselves when they want to convince themself that their preferences are really just based on what they are used to and familiar with.
…. I own both a7r5 and a z8. The z8 feels more comfortable with lens heavier than 1kg.
joychris wrote:
This camera is an absolute banger, especially compared to the competition. The z6III has a fatter spec sheet but less DR in photos and video - and that weird shadow flicker in video. The z8 is a different beast - a big fat one with worse battery life, the lame tilt LCD hinge, AF that's two generations behind Sony's AI AF and overheating issues. Undone got 6 hours of recording on the a7V and just gave up. Canon's with fans overheat faster, the ones without fans are worse than the older a7IV. This one also shoots 14-bit raws in any FPS mode, something the r6III cannot do. So it loses the spec wars, but is still class leading in many aspects. Sony did the partially stacked sensor without the issues Nikon and Panasonic are having - and they're doing it with 33mp vs 24.
The glass half empty folks will whine about open gate or internal raw video - a ninja makes far more sense for raw video given the file sizes which any Sony released in the last 5 years will do, but Sony's 10-bit h265 is already so good - unlike say the Nikon ZR - so I've never cared much about raw video. Open gate, meh, I prefer to just shoot vertically so the shot is properly framed, rather than try to make one shot work for horizontal and vertical and have both not quite right. YMMV.
The glass half full folks will see this is 95% of the a1II at less than half the price. I just can't get enough of the 4-way tilt LCD, I'm never going back to the either/or tilt only or floppy only. I do wish it got the wider a1II body shape, the extra space between the grip and lens mount and the more rounded grip shape is absolutely perfect.
There are so many things that reviewers never talk about, but are huge when actually shooting - like zebras with stills for effortless exposure, face/eye/animal tracking with clear image zoom for what's essentially a built in TC with no IQ loss at 1.5x, LUT preview while recording (something the r5II can't do without baking the out into the footage), face/eye detect when manually focusing and so on.
Preordered. My a7cII and likely my a7sIII will be replaced by this. This is a beast of a hybrid camera. Well done Sony.
I have both the z8 and a7r5. I thought the z8 lcd screen articulation is better, assuming you don’t take selfies. The z8 articulation is the fastest to deploy for both vertical and horizontal framing.
And there's this one.I'm trying hard not to be influenced, but well, if he's raving about it so much...
Only two things about the camera still bother me. I would have liked a better viewfinder. The form factor of the new A9III or A1II would have been great. But with both of those, it seems they are deliberately trying to differentiate themselves from the top models.
Yesterday I deliberately watched some videos about the viewfinder of the A7IV again. It's supposed to be similar to the A7V's. In comparison tests with the A7III (which I still use), they said that once you focus, etc., there's no significant difference between the viewfinders of the A7IV and the A7III. Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, though.
P.S. Still I find it interesting (telling?) that so far no-one of those reviewers/influencers has mentioned the EVF. Might not be that seducing
I prefer the original a9, then each subsequently heavier camera. The lighter the better. I don't come from the dslr era, so I have no nostalgia/old habits to get out of. "Comfort" is often just what people are used to.
wind30 wrote:
…. I own both a7r5 and a z8. The z8 feels more comfortable with lens heavier than 1kg.
zeitlos wrote:
P.S. Still I find it interesting (telling?) that so far no-one of those reviewers/influencers has mentioned the EVF. Might not be that seducing
Most of them don't actually shoot much or care since they are just talking heads on a screen that get paid for their services to shill cameras
shadow9d9 wrote:
I prefer the original a9, then each subsequently heavier camera. The lighter the better. I don't come from the dslr era, so I have no nostalgia/old habits to get out of. "Comfort" is often just what people are used to.
What I really want is an A7CR with a stacked sensor and an improved EVF.
Alan Parker wrote:
I remember the rumors about an A9R...
An A9CR would be great, even if it had to be a smidge larger than the current A7CR. I have two A7CR bodies that I use for travel and other things. They both fit with a lens mounted in a small bag, and they are relatively light to carry. Almost a perfect camera for my photography except for a non-stacked sensor that creates movement distortion and banding under modern lighting. So, I switch to mechanical shutter as necessary via a programmed button. But the silent shutter is a big advantage in so many situations that I would love to have it all the time.
