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p.7 #1 · Nikon sues Viltrox


What is this lawsuit were part of a deal with Sigma?

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Feb 09, 2026 at 12:51 AM
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bernardl wrote:
What is this lawsuit were part of a deal with Sigma?

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That would be a tough one for me. On one hand, if I could get the Sigma 300-600mm f4 unrestrected, with TCs on Nikon Z, I would be very happy, and almost every third party lens I want is a Sigma. But on the other hand, I do prefer a more open ecosystem. We have no idea what the lens market may look like in 5-10 years. Also IDK if Sigma lenses are cheap enough to get the Z system into the hands of more price sensitive customers. For example, the Nikon 35mm f1.8 is $897, the Sigma 35mm f2 is 719, and the Viltrox 35mm f1.8 is 379. Sure, the Sigma 35mm f2 may tempt me the most of those 3 lenses, but that's more for the experience than logical reasoning.

I pretty much think of most Sigma lenses as first party optics, with some minor trade offs to save some money, especially weight and size for some lenses. Many of them hit a sweet spot for me. I would definitely be interested in the Sigma 35mm f1.2 for Z mount and would consider it a significant price savings over the Nikon 35mm f1.2 for $1,550 insted of $3,000 for the Nikon version. While the Nikon lens look samazing, I just don't see myself using it enough to justify the $3,000 price tag. So while price definitely plays a factor in my gear decisions, I wouldn't call myself super price sensitive. In my opinion, a super price sensitive customer wouldn't even consider a $1,550 35mm lens in the first place.



Feb 09, 2026 at 12:44 PM
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It's become clear that having access to dirt cheap Chinese lenses is a path into photography for folks that felt priced out before, so in that respect, it's good that it's enabling a whole new swath of customers to enter the scene.

On the flip side...as someone with far higher standards than your entry level shooter, and someone that has a gear cabinet that is steadily filling with Chinese lenses as they keep showing up on my doorstep from these companies, I don't feel that any of them (short of the TTA 40 perhaps) are in any position to replace a
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I sort of follow you a bit on this but quite honestly feel that unless you want to fork over a lot of money, Nikon is starting to lose me. As of recent, I bought my first Sony camera, an unused A7RIII to go with my recent e-mount lenses that fill gaps that Nikon cannot fill. Then there are 2 Viltrox lenses to fill more gaps than Nikon cannot fill. I have been loyal up till now but really feel that Nikon is not interested in my business. So I may drift towards those garish menus, at least a bit.

28 1.8 No Nikons, Viltrox is nice
85 1.4 No Nikons, Viltrox is nice
35 1.4 Nikon is weak at 1.4, Samyang Series II for E-Mount is very good. Better rendering without that weird bokeh.
50 1.4 Nikon is ok at 1.4 but the G Master is the best I have used. Sold my 50 1.2 Z to get rid of the extra bulk/weight. (was a very nice rendering lens to be sure, but like the 70-200 Z, 105 1.4, and now 35 1.2, 85.1.2, too heavy, too expensive for my needs.
135 1.8 The Nikon is the best but too high. Got a nice G Master 135 under 1000.
Summary, I do not need a 1.2 aperture but was not happy with the 1.8s. Sony and Viltrox fill gaps that Nikon refuses to fill.

The 3 e-mounts worked very well adapted but I was motivated to get a native camera to go with the 3 e mounts. Glad I did. I will stay with the nikon Z7II but disappointed no Z7III. The older Sony has better AF. And no, I am not pouring money into a bigger camera (Z8) with a lot of tech and speed I do not need. I am not returning to 24 MP cameras. Sold my Zf to make the switch. Looks like I will be a hybrid shooter.

Seems that Nikon caters to the pro market or the basic consumer but the middle ground is lacking.


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Feb 09, 2026 at 08:30 PM
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p.7 #4 · Nikon sues Viltrox


If those are the lenses that are important to you, then go shoot Sony, simple as.

As a single example, I can guarantee you that no one on this message board will make an image with a Viltrox 85/1.4 that is materially better than with the Nikon 85/1.8, though, no matter how hard they argue.

The Viltrox 35/1.2 and 135 are unique cases where you can get near S and Plena quality at a fraction of the price.



Feb 09, 2026 at 08:36 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
If those are the lenses that are important to you, then go shoot Sony, simple as.

As a single example, I can guarantee you that no one on this message board will make an image with a Viltrox 85/1.4 that is materially better than with the Nikon 85/1.8, though, no matter how hard they argue.

The Viltrox 35/1.2 and 135 are unique cases where you can get near S and Plena quality at a fraction of the price.


Viltrox is a crap shoot. I tried the 35 1.2 and do not believe this lens renders as nice as the Nikon, But mine was an out of box failure with the aperture ring. As to 85 1.8, I have had that lens off and on for a while. There are times when I want a little wider aperture. The 85 1.8S will miss AF sometimes in low light. I do a lot of low light shooting. Even the 50 1.4Z can out resolve the venerable 50 1.8 in very dim light where the AF starts to unwind on a Z7II and even the Zf. The extra 2/3 stop matters. A reason why I added the Sony to the mix.

The whole business of should Nikon license other companies is clearer to me. Yes they should to prevent drifters like me from leaving the stable. I wish them well.


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Feb 09, 2026 at 08:51 PM
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DWOfPaul wrote:
That would be a tough one for me. On one hand, if I could get the Sigma 300-600mm f4 unrestrected, with TCs on Nikon Z, I would be very happy, and almost every third party lens I want is a Sigma. But on the other hand, I do prefer a more open ecosystem. We have no idea what the lens market may look like in 5-10 years. Also IDK if Sigma lenses are cheap enough to get the Z system into the hands of more price sensitive customers. For example, the Nikon 35mm f1.8 is $897, the Sigma 35mm f2
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Agreed. Yes, Sigma and Viltrox target different price points and there remains significant differences in terms of quality. But Sigma must nonetheless see Viltrox as a huge strategic risk. If Sigma is in the process of negotiating mount licensing fees with Nikon for future Z mount FF lenses, the topic must be on the table. Why would Nikon charge Sigma who plays by the rules and is OK to pay some level of license fees, but let Viltrox get away with a free access to the mount? That would seem totally unfair for Sigma and put them at a competitive disadvantage.

I would personally prefer Nikon to find a way to ensure that Chinese lens manufacturers continue to sell Z mount versions of their AF lenses. Can they make some additional money by claiming some due licenses fees? They definitely should but blocking Vitrox lenses would be counter productive.

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Feb 09, 2026 at 08:54 PM
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I would love to see Sigma license their FF lenses for Z mount. I would much rather pay a bit more for the Sigma Art/Contemporary lenses over the Viltrox. I also think this would be good for Nikon to fill in some gaps to their already excellent lineup.


Feb 09, 2026 at 09:04 PM
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It's all about option. Buy from teh Nikon limited selection at their price. Buy Sigma quality and pay a fair price, buy bargain lenses from Viltrox and others and get what you pay for.

The point is, Nikon is blocking those choices, which to me is a detriment to the Z system.

I shoot Z, and have shot Nikon since film days, I tried Sony, but switched back to Nikon for reasons that had nothing to do what Sony quality. Certain the Sonly system lens choices are far better than the Z system, and the IQ of images are on par.

Never-the-less, Nikon's most restrictions are a big negative.



Feb 10, 2026 at 12:35 AM
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mklass wrote:
Certain the Sonly system lens choices are far better than the Z system, and the IQ of images are on par.


Sony has a piss-poor selection of long teles. Nikon has the 400/2.8 and 600/4 with the 1.4x TCs, 600 and 800 f/6.3 PF lenses, a compact 400/4.5, and the excellent adapted compatibility of the DSLR late model and FL tele primes and 120-300 and 180-400 zooms. Sony has a 300/2.8, 400/2.8, and 600/4. It is not even close.

EBH




Feb 10, 2026 at 01:56 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
Sony has a piss-poor selection of long teles. Nikon has the 400/2.8 and 600/4 with the 1.4x TCs, 600 and 800 f/6.3 PF lenses, a compact 400/4.5, and the excellent adapted compatibility of the DSLR late model and FL tele primes and 120-300 and 180-400 zooms. Sony has a 300/2.8, 400/2.8, and 600/4. It is not even close.

EBH



Not to mention the lack of 35mm f1.2 and 85mm f1.2 which are probably my 2 most used lenses on the Z8.

The one Sony lens I find great is their 50-150mm f2.0, even if I would personally prefer a 100-200mm f2.0. Their 50mm f1.2 GM is very nice, a superb compromise between size and image quality even if I slightly prefer the much larger Nikon 50mm f1.2 S optically.

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bernardl wrote:
Not to mention the lack of 35mm f1.2 and 85mm f1.2 which are probably my 2 most used lenses on the Z8.

The one Sony lens I find great is their 50-150mm f2.0, even if I would personally prefer a 100-200mm f2.0. Their 50mm f1.2 GM is very nice, a superb compromise between size and image quality even if I slightly prefer the much larger Nikon 50mm f1.2 S optically.

Cheers,
Bernard



This is where I'm at. The 35 and 85 are exceptionally good lenses and Sony doesn't have anything comparable. I do prefer Sony's 50mm 1.2, but that's largely because if I'm already carrying a couple of Nikon's fast primes, I literally don't have room left for more than 2.

I agree that the 50-150mm is an exceptional lens that I miss using and wish that Nikon had something comparable, but that doesn't even seem to be in the pipeline. Nikon also just desperately needs more wide options. I would love to see more options for Nikon, especially Sigma because they are making such innovative and outstanding glass.

The one thing that tends to get overlooked in comparisons of Viltrox (or any other third party lenses including tamron and sigma) to Nikon lenses is that the AF performance is just not the same. Native glass has a huge AF advantage if you're shooting fast moving subjects. The hit rate is simply higher and that is worth the extra price.

I feel like Nikon is sort of between a rock and a hard place. Their market share dictates a different strategy and they seem to be aggressively pricing bodies to get customers in the door then making their margin on lenses. If a lot of users buy relatively cheap Z6iii or Z8s (both of which punch WAY above their price) but then buy Sigma glass then those loss leader bodies just become losses.



Feb 10, 2026 at 08:40 AM
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The core problem of Nikon is that back then they lost 50% of their DSLR lens market to Sigma.

So for mirrorless, Nikon now emulates Sigma. Thats high lens element counts and extreme sharpness and lack of lens errors. Without any care for other lens properties. Oh, and really low weight of their lenses, too. It also allows for higher production cost, which causes higher prices, which causes higher profits.

But Viltrox is much of what Nikon was in the past. Independent of price, thats what some people prefer. Thats why Viltrox is now a problem for Nikon.

It would be great if Nikon could just make super corrected super lightweight forensic plastic lenses for the Sigma fans and high fidelity rock solid art metal lenses for the Viltrox fans, but that would create other problems, for example with brand recognition.

I dont really see a good solution.



Feb 10, 2026 at 10:49 AM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
So for mirrorless, Nikon now emulates Sigma. Thats high lens element counts and extreme sharpness and lack of lens errors. Without any care for other lens properties. Oh, and really low weight of their lenses, too. It also allows for higher production cost, which causes higher prices, which causes higher profits.


I really disagree with this. Nikon is IMO doing the best of any of the brands to balance sharpness with rendering. The three 1.2s primes are a.....prime...example of this. So were two of the last generation of F lenses, the 28mm 1.4e and 105mm 1.4e. The 35mm 1.2s and 85mm 1.2s absolutely carry on that tradition. They have really nice rendering while managing to have outstanding central sharpness. They also mostly manage to manage color aberrations better will still having a "look." The 50mm 1.2s isn't bad in this capacity either.

Compare to the Sony primes (the 24mm GM and 50mm 1.2 GM sort of being exceptions to this) that are just clinically sharp without much in the way of special look to them.

For all the talk about the Plena being a bokeh machine I find it to be the one lens that can tend to be oversharp.

Sigma seems to be going in the Sony direction lately, which sucks because trying to shrink everything to the smallest lightest form factor creates new problems like mechanical/aperture vignetting, distortion, breathing, etc. Sigma seems to have really taken that Bigma moniker personally.



Feb 10, 2026 at 11:48 AM
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I'm struggling to figure out this sudden, vocal souring on Nikon, as if their first party lenses aren't excellent if not better than most other first party lenses on other brands.

I'm not interested in shooting the cheapest lenses to save a buck, but apparently that makes me an outlier these days

My main annoyance with Nikon is their handling of the f1.4 line, I'd rather we'd gotten modern rendering lenses vs the character lenses, but there are plenty of third party options out there and still appearing every passing week.



Feb 10, 2026 at 11:59 AM
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Viltrox’s strongest-performing lenses tend to be their more expensive ones. I’m comfortable spending $200–300 on AIR or EVO lenses and maybe up to $600 for PRO, but $1,200–1,400 for LAB series is no-go territory for me.

Mainly due to the unknown long-term durability and resale value and service or repair support if something goes wrong.

Viltrox is moving too fast and flooding the market. Instead of refining and proving long-term reliability, they’re pushing out lens after lens. It’s easy to see why Nikon would want to pump the brakes.

This is a common playbook with Chinese manufacturers. Release fast, release often, dominate shelf space, and worry about refinement later.



Feb 10, 2026 at 02:19 PM
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That and the delta between a new PRO and clean used S is usually not that far apart.

Outstanding wrote:
Viltrox’s strongest-performing lenses tend to be their more expensive ones. I’m comfortable spending $200–300 on AIR or EVO lenses and maybe up to $600 for PRO, but $1,200–1,400 for LAB series is no-go territory for me.

Mainly due to the unknown long-term durability and resale value and service or repair support if something goes wrong.

Viltrox is moving too fast and flooding the market. Instead of refining and proving long-term reliability, they’re pushing out lens after lens. It’s easy to see why Nikon would want to pump the brakes.

This is a common playbook with Chinese manufacturers. Release fast, release often, dominate shelf
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Feb 10, 2026 at 02:24 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
That and the delta between a new PRO and clean used S is usually not that far apart.



Viltrox 85mm f1.4 PRO new costs €649.
Nikon 85mm f1.2S used on MPB costs €2.349

Viltrox 35mm f1.2 LAB new is €999
Nikon 35mm f1.2S used on MPB is €2.859

Personally not interested in the LAB lenses, but the gap to the used Nikkors is significant. People are free to blow their money on whatever they like, but I'm picking the Viltrox 85 and a weekend in Venice over the Nikkor 85mm



Feb 10, 2026 at 02:51 PM
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lol at using MPB prices.


Feb 10, 2026 at 02:51 PM
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lol at using MPB prices.


what do you suggest alternatively?

Currently no refurbished 85mm f1.2 or 35mm f1.2 available from Nikon. I guess ebay is always an option but zero warranty.

Edit: just checked and ebay prices over here are broadly similar to MPB +/-100€. Of course you can get lucky and get the odd deal. But also not a lot of 85mm f1.2 or 35mm f1.2 offered currently..

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Feb 10, 2026 at 02:56 PM
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The f/1.8 S might be kind of boring to some, looks, design, focus speed, and aperture wise but honestly, it has no weak spots and always delivers what you expect. It’s all about stability and just knowing it’ll work. I personally quite like the understatedness of the f/1.8 S line-up.

My Pro OTOH has some quirks like spherical aberration and focus shift if you’re wide open and close up so it’s a bit more unpredictable. That's what many reviewers are referring to as DSLR look when shot wide open.

f1.8 S probably has the creamiest bokeh of any f/1.8 out there, that helps in narrowing the gap vs f1.4

Pro is more relevant to Sony users, as their f1.8 is couple of tiers below Nikon S f1.8 and their new f1.4 GM II is out of budget for many. Sigma DG DN has sluggish AF and double the price of Viltrox.

RoamingScott wrote:
That and the delta between a new PRO and clean used S is usually not that far apart.






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