Ross Martin wrote:
Today’s post on SAR says the A7RVI will have a new body design (I had assumed it would be the A1II body but he sems to imply totally new for any Sony), new menu, and new higher capacity battery. Previous specs imply the sensor speed will be similar to A7V so nowhere near as fast as A1II, and I’ve personally believed it would be a partially stacked sensor as with A7V, but he keeps being told fully stacked. Nine days until the May 13 announcement.
You have provided the only information that we can rely upon…9+4=13
Seems like the general question isn't whether it would be a fine camera for things like landscape photography, but more like how far might it push specs in the direction of it being more useful for things like wildlife and sports? (No, I don't imaging that it will be The Very Best Camera for those things, but with specs that exceed what we used to look for there it might be pretty useful. Or not. ;-) )
gdanmitchell wrote:
We'll know when we know, right? ;-)
Seems like the general question isn't whether it would be a fine camera for things like landscape photography, but more like how far might it push specs in the direction of it being more useful for things like wildlife and sports? (No, I don't imaging that it will be The Very Best Camera for those things, but with specs that exceed what we used to look for there it might be pretty useful. Or not. ;-) )
I would say a7rV is already useful for sports and wildlife. Not the best but for sure it delivers. I guess we are really spoiled with gear nowadays.
If rumors are correct it will be as close to the best as one might imagine.
EB-1 wrote:
This a7rVI is becoming less and less believable. It seems more like an a1 III.
Is SAR reliable, or is it like Canon Rumors that is often full of sh*t?
EBH
30fps, fully-stacked sensor, pre-capture, etc. really stretch my logical reasoning for the upcoming A7RVI. I would love it if true, but I remain highly doubtful, since these premium features (and, apparently, other predicted features) seriously invade the flagship A1 II ($7,000) territory. The predicted price for the A7RVI is, apparently, $5000 to $5500 USD.
Displacing high-margin flagship camera sales, to any significant degree, with lower priced (and lower margin) cameras only makes sense if the competitive market demands it. To be honest, I'm not paying much attention to new Nikon and Canon releases, so I'm really pontificating when attempting any predictions. However, I would hate to think that the only real advantage my A1 II will have is just a deeper buffer.
It looks like we will just need to wait for May 13.
michal.narozny wrote:
I would say a7rV is already useful for sports and wildlife. Not the best but for sure it delivers. I guess we are really spoiled with gear nowadays.
As a person who doesn't think that you necessarily need things like the deepest buffer or fastest burst rates most of the time, I agree that a camera with the A7rV specs can do pretty well with those subjects, too.
The EVF of the a7rV is always behind the times, so even the 10 FPS physically shutter compressible ARW is jerkily and not always framed right. Many of the birding groups are really not liking anyone with a shutter lately.
Here’s hoping SAR rumors are close to correct and this will be like what the Nikon z8 was to the z9. Sell the a1, buy the a7rVI and just carry an extra battery for sports. There's no way I was going to spend the bucks just for the a1 II upgrades. That strat seems to have worked for Nikon. No? This way I'll buy a new Sony body that I wasn't planning on buying.
SAR can be full of it, but you know when they are. SAR is reporting this with a high degree of confidence and when they do it is usually correct. I would take this to be true.
Now why would Sony do this? Well, maybe they've learned the lesson that Apple did from Steve Jobs, which is that if you do not make your products obsolete then others will.
Also, Nikon has the Z8 and Canon the R5 II, and both in some ways challenge the flagship models. I would bet that overall Nikon and Canon have made more from the sales of the Z8 and R5 series than the flagship models.
This is a very competitive environment, with high price sensitivity. I think the Sony approach here will get them a lot of sales. You will have manyA7R series owners buying, but also A1 series buyers as well. At this point I think most everyone that wants an A1 II has that model and so I would bet sales of the A1 II are low. So I don't think this model is going to take away much in A1 II sales.
I think there will be an A1 III but that Sony also has great plans for that. In the meantime they can cash in with this model. They can also establish the A7R series more like the Canon R5 series (and before that the 5D series), but at a $5000 price point. This will work out very well for Sony.
InFocus2014 wrote:
30fps, fully-stacked sensor, pre-capture, etc. really stretch my logical reasoning for the upcoming A7RVI. I would love it if true, but I remain highly doubtful, since these premium features (and, apparently, other predicted features) seriously invade the flagship A1 II ($7,000) territory. The predicted price for the A7RVI is, apparently, $5000 to $5500 USD.
Displacing high-margin flagship camera sales, to any significant degree, with lower priced (and lower margin) cameras only makes sense if the competitive market demands it. To be honest, I'm not paying much attention to new Nikon and Canon releases, so I'm really pontificating when attempting any predictions. However, I would hate to think that the only real advantage my A1 II will have is just a deeper buffer.
It looks like we will just need to wait for May 13....Show more →
I never buy Apple products, so hope that anology is bunk.
All I know is that cheaper products have something lacking but they by far sell in higher volumes. It still seems like Sony could have a full 8K body below $5K and above the $3K, medium-res a7V.
The fact that you haven't owned Apple products doesn't negate the analogy.
Sony is taking this opportunity apparently to redraw their market segmentation. Good for them.
I do think the future A1 III will be differentiated but for now the money is to be made with an ultra-competitive A7RVI. If this all comes true then watch the positive results for Sony, not only with the camera, but with lenses, the halo effect for other cameras, etc.
It will be interesting to see the new battery and menu system. Sony already leads in battery life and I assume they wouldn't release an entirely new battery without it being a substantial improvement. So just the battery alone may offer a significant upgrade.
EB-1 wrote:
I never buy Apple products, so hope that anology is bunk.
All I know is that cheaper products have something lacking but they by far sell in higher volumes. It still seems like Sony could have a full 8K body below $5K and above the $3K, medium-res a7V.
So far we have no true evidence that this is not a scam. Many of the specs don't make sense for an a7r series body. I hope they just incrementally improved the NP-FZ100 like other brands do over the years. Certainly having to carry yet more batteries and chargers is really not good. Besides adding at least $500-600 it makes travel more and more difficult.
InFocus2014 wrote:
30fps, fully-stacked sensor, pre-capture, etc. really stretch my logical reasoning for the upcoming A7RVI. I would love it if true, but I remain highly doubtful, since these premium features (and, apparently, other predicted features) seriously invade the flagship A1 II ($7,000) territory. The predicted price for the A7RVI is, apparently, $5000 to $5500 USD.
Displacing high-margin flagship camera sales, to any significant degree, with lower priced (and lower margin) cameras only makes sense if the competitive market demands it. To be honest, I'm not paying much attention to new Nikon and Canon releases, so I'm really pontificating when attempting any predictions. However, I would hate to think that the only real advantage my A1 II will have is just a deeper buffer.
It looks like we will just need to wait for May 13....Show more →
Sony may be feeling the need to compete with the R5ii (30fps, $3900, partial stacked) and Z8 ($3400, 120 fps, stacked)
We will find out soon! I have two A1II, just sold the A7RV three or four weeks ago because I didn't need three Sony cameras as a hobbyist. Personally, I would be pleasantly surprised if the A7RVI can beat the A1II in most areas other than the resolution and possibly the IBIS. I don't mind losing the resale value of my A1II. I think the A1II is overpriced to begin with, given what the Nikon Z8 and Canon 5RII sell for. But I have invested so much in Sony system that I, like many fellow Sony shooters, raised our asses and let Sony abuse us
tctmp wrote:
Well you always find ways to wiggle out and divert.
Huh? Why the personal attack? No place for that. What matters is the sensor scan speed not your personal attacks. If the sensor scan speed is 16ms that is nothing like the 4ms from the A1 II. Some people will find the 16ms useful for many things but for fast action like often happens with wildlife and sports the electronic shutter at 16ms will lead to motion distortion. You will still need to switch to the mechanical shutter and 10 fps when you shoot faster action. That won't be the end of the world but it won't compete with the A1 II for that type of shooting either.
Oh and it won't be competting with the 3ms sensor scan speed of the Nikon Z8 and Z9 or even the 6ms sensor scan speed of the Canon R5 II. It is still a pipe dream to expect the camera to deliver the highest resolution of a FF camera, great DR, and compete with those cameras for fast action shooting in electronic shutter mode and deliver all that at a much lower price than the A1 II or even the A1 original that is still on sale at a higher price than what this camera will be.
The Canon R5II doesn’t have it’s best DR at fast speeds. But in mechanical shutter mode. The new Sony will wipe the floor with the Canon in DR in mechanical shutter mode. We don’t know how the DR will hold up the electronic shutter mode, but I expect it will be very similar if not better. The A7RV is great in electronic shutter mode, but who knows if the IV will be the same.
Steve Spencer wrote:
Huh? Why the personal attack? No place for that. What matters is the sensor scan speed not your personal attacks. If the sensor scan speed is 16ms that is nothing like the 4ms from the A1 II. Some people will find the 16ms useful for many things but for fast action like often happens with wildlife and sports the electronic shutter at 16ms will lead to motion distortion. You will still need to switch to the mechanical shutter and 10 fps when you shoot faster action. That won't be the end of the world but it won't compete with the A1 II for that type of shooting either.
Oh and it won't be competting with the 3ms sensor scan speed of the Nikon Z8 and Z9 or even the 6ms sensor scan speed of the Canon R5 II. It is still a pipe dream to expect the camera to deliver the highest resolution of a FF camera, great DR, and compete with those cameras for fast action shooting in electronic shutter mode and deliver all that at a much lower price than the A1 II or even the A1 original that is still on sale at a higher price than what this camera will be....Show more →
The sensor speed is only part of what makes the a1II, or a9III ideal for fast paced shooting, with 67 megapixels, the buffer will be the achilles heal.
