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snegron7 wrote:
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Planning a trip to Tokyo in a few months, and I'm not sure what gear to take since I've never been there. I'll be traveling with my adult kid who "tolerates" photography, unlike myself who absolutely loves photography. My kid agreed to bring along one of my cameras, providing it wasn't too heavy. I have a couple of options I'm considering

My current equipment (these are the cameras and lenses I currently own, and I have no desire/interest in either purchasing or renting anything that is NOT on my list):

Cameras:

- Canon
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EDIT: Sorry, please ignore. I just re-read the OP and noticed the part about having no desire to buy any new gear.

My 2 cents ... for the trip you have described, I'd go for an option D. I'd take the A7IV + A7c + Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 + Tamron 28-200mm + (if you can be persuaded to add a lens) a Sony ZA 55mm f/1.8 or Sigma AF 45mm f/1.8 or 50mm f/1.8 or f/2 of some kind. (For the trip you have described and given the other gear you would have with you, personally I would not bother taking Tamron 17-28mm but obviously you could take it too if you think you would use it enough.) That would be two full frame bodies which share lenses, batteries and chargers, it would be a relatively small and light overall kit (as these things go / for what it covers), it would give your kid a chance to try out a few different things (eg reasonably wide focal length, reasonably long focal length, reasonably wide aperture) if your kid gets into it, and if your kid doesn't get into it you could still use of all of the lenses yourself so the only "extra" thing you would end up having to haul around is an extra/backup camera body. I would expect your kid would mainly use the 20-40mm and/or the prime lens, but you could see how things panned out.

As for which of you gets the A7IV and which of you gets the A7c, you two would have to decide that! I understand the temptation to say your kid isn't into cameras so should use the A7c because it is the smaller and lighter of the two bodies. There are other factors too though, of course, eg viewfinder experience and ergonomics / controls, to consider. I don't take it for granted that someone just getting started would necessarily prefer the A7c. I think a lot would come down to personal preference.

Whatever gear you take, have a great trip. (And apologies for suggesting an option which involves buying a new lens, but in the context of the trip perhaps it is worth thinking about, especially if you could find one second-hand.)



Apr 27, 2026 at 06:43 AM
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snegron7 wrote:
Yesterday I went out with the two "runner up" camera outfits meant for my kid to use;

- Sony A7c with Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 and Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6.

- OM System OM-5 with Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2 and Olympus 45-150mm f4 Pro.

In terms of focal length, these two kits are somewhat similar. Here is a link to the images I shot with both outfits yesterday:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/195506119@N07/uYTfwr272X

In the gallery, the first image will be the A7c, the image following it will be from the OM-5. This makes it easier for a side by side comparison. All images sooc, no editing whatsoever
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FWIW I prefer the A7c images ... but I think the real question is which of the two setups your kid prefers to use, ie prefers the shooting experience. (If you are taking Canon gear for you and you end up taking the A7c for your kid, based on what you have said I can see your kid using the Tamron 20-40mm most if not all of the time, and the 28-200mm just sitting in the bag. I would happy to be wrong about that though.)



Apr 27, 2026 at 07:12 AM
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snegron7 wrote:
Yesterday I went out with the two "runner up" camera outfits meant for my kid to use;

- Sony A7c with Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 and Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6.

- OM System OM-5 with Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2 and Olympus 45-150mm f4 Pro.

In terms of focal length, these two kits are somewhat similar. Here is a link to the images I shot with both outfits yesterday:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/195506119@N07/uYTfwr272X

In the gallery, the first image will be the A7c, the image following it will be from the OM-5. This makes it easier for a side by side comparison. All images sooc, no editing whatsoever
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I'm back from Taiwan and Japan. I found I used both the 28-70 and 70-200 a fair amount, especially in Japan. I also picked up the 20/1.4 VCM while there, as it was on the wish list and fills a UWA/WA gap. But as in any travel situation, it really depends on what you come across at any given moment. An earlier comment that a lens like a 28-200 won't get any use in Tokyo, implying there is little use/need for telephoto, would in my case at least, be false.

There were situations on 'shopping priority days' rather than 'sightseeing priority days' when hauling around that kit, frequently unused, became a drag. Here the M system would have been a better, more compact choice. But I was a bit reluctant to give up the flexibility of the Canon kit and still brought it with me on days when I knew I would not be doing a lot of sightseeing.

With respect to what to bring for your kid, I would prioritize smaller size and lower weight instead of splitting hairs over image quality differences. IMO the OM-5 with 12-35 will be a better 'general use' combo than either the 20-40 or 28-200 on the Sony. The 20-40 leans IMO too far UWA. And while the 28-200 is a 'do everything' lens, it's large (in the eyes of a non-photo enthusiast like your kid).

Otherwise, I used my phone a lot to shoot videos photos alongside my 'real' gear to quickly share with friends/family.

There are a lot of tourists in Japan, particularly in popular areas. I saw a fair amount of gear being used that was all over the map and it was interesting to see vloggers working 'in the wild' in very touristy areas. The one item I have been on the fence about getting and would have liked to have had with me, was the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. I actually brought along my smartphone gimbal, but never ended up using it because it was just bulky enough not to easily fit in my daily carry bag along with my 'real' camera gear. The Osmo 3 would have been slim enough to fit.

Regarding visiting photo stores: Yodobashi is insane with respect to what they have on display to try. Virtually all the lenses, excluding some super-teles, from every manufacturer that you can try on your own camera. I visited the Yokohama store and they even had an RF 1200/5.6 on display (mind you, with an R10 body on it). It's a great place to start just for the 'wow' factor/experience. But with respect to better pricing, I found that Fujiya Camera in Nakano was a very good experience (it's where I got the 20/1.4) and is located in a neat area with a lot small side streets/alleys with good restaurant options and otherwise just visually interesting. Map Camera and Kitamura generally have the same/similar pricing to Fujiya while Yodobashi/Bic are a bit higher. While in Kyoto I visited a store very similar to Yodobashi/Bic, though on a smaller scale, and was able to haggle over price to more closely match Fujiya, though in the end I decided to wait until I could visit Fujiya. So it's possible that you may be able to do the same at Yodobashi. Another cool camera store is Sakuraya at the Ogikubo Station stop, just west of Fujiya/Nakano Station on the same line. It's a small shop but they had virtually everything and even some lenses that were out of stock elsewhere (i.e. Canon 14/1.4 VCM, Voigtlander VM 28/2 APO) with prices in-line with Fujiya/Map/Kitamura and sometimes even slightly less.



May 08, 2026 at 09:43 AM
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I'm back from Taiwan and Japan. I found I used both the 28-70 and 70-200 a fair amount, especially in Japan. I also picked up the 20/1.4 VCM while there, as it was on the wish list and fills a UWA/WA gap. But as in any travel situation, it really depends on what you come across at any given moment. An earlier comment that a lens like a 28-200 won't get any use in Tokyo, implying there is little use/need for telephoto, would in my case at least, be false.

There were situations on 'shopping priority days' rather than 'sightseeing
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Thank you so much for all this detailed info!!! I really appreciate the shopping location tips, as I'll be looking for used gear while I'm there. Also at the top of my list are JDM watches as well.

Was 28mm wide enough for you, or did you find yourself needing something wider (prior to buying your 20mm)? I'm still flip-flopping between taking either the R6II with the RF 16-28 F2.8 + RF 24-240mm f4-6.3 or the Sony a7iv with Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 + Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6. A recent "test" I did this week between these two outfits revealed starting info for me; my Sony A7iv with the Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6 outperformed my Canon R6II with RF 24-240mm f4-6.3 by quite a decent margin. It tilted my inclination to bring my A7iv with the two Tamron lenses on this trip. If I did that, then giving my kid the A7c with the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 would be easier because we'd share the same batteries, chargers and lenses. I would set the A7c to Program mode to turn it into a point & shoot for my kid. Two drawbacks with that are the larger weight/size compared to my OM-5, and the fiddly exposure compensation dial on the top of the A7c. I can guarantee with 110% certainty that my kid will be continually inadvertently moving the exposure compensation dial then complaining that the images are either too dark or too light.

On another note, I still haven't booked a hotel. I'm looking for one near a train station, not in a seedy tourist area, and that has two beds and access to a coin laundry. Also, I'd like to find one that charges by the room, not by the person.

On a positive note, I purchased a Vasco v4 translator for tjis trip. I can't rely on Google translate, so I thought this might be a decent alternative. So far it has been ok. Not sure how well it will perform in "real life" conversations though.



May 08, 2026 at 10:17 AM
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I like 28mm and generally haven't found it limiting. Of course there are situations where an UWA would be preferable, but it was my choice not to worry about that. Similar to when I work with my M system and a set number of lenses. But my approach during this trip was often more about focusing on details within a scene rather than capturing a massive UWA view.

I used the 20mm most on the day I got it, in part to try it out and make sure everything was OK, which it was. I do like UWA and it can be fun. I used to be more heavily into UWA work, but have kind of swung away from that the last few years.

I'd still bring the OM-5 kit for your kid because it's smaller and theoretically less reason for it to be left behind. I wouldn't split hairs over image quality too much and just bring what you feel most comfortable using.

Something I noticed about used gear in Japan is that it's often not priced considerably lower than new. Therefore, IMO, if it's an item currently available as new, I would prefer to buy it new because you just don't know the history of a used item. If it's something older, then obviously used is the only option. For this I would consider stores like Fujiya, Map and Kitamura over Yodobashi (which is only new stock). With Map Camera, I believe a lot of their used inventory is now online-only, meaning staff at the store do not have physical access to it. Fujiya's online used listings are all physically present in their store, from my understanding. Kitamura had a lot of used inventory, too.

I'm not familiar with standalone translation devices. I used Google Translate a few times for communicating with store staff via written exchanges. It can do voice as well, but can be a little hit or miss if it's in a busy environment. In Tokyo and Kyoto there is enough English signage for you to get by and many store staff have some basic English ability. Transit too generally has sufficient English signage. On station platforms the departure boards typically alternate between Japanese and English though it helps to confirm details using the transit function of Google Maps, as an example, to double check it's actually the train you want. Once on board, newer trains have screens above the doors with information that alternates between Japanese and English (and/or also Chinese/Korean) about upcoming stops, where stairs, elevators and escalators are at each stop relative to the car you are in, as well as which side the door will be opening. Plus audio announcements in Japanese and English with similar information. However, there were some lines operating older trains that lacked non-Japanese options. Using Google Maps to plan your transit trips will also inform you about transfers, if necessary, potentially which station exits to use, trip costs, etc. As an Apple iPhone user, I added the Suica card to my Apple Wallet and it worked seamlessly by simply tapping the phone on the "IC" reader at the entry/exit gates. Otherwise, you can get the physical card but then have to use the terminals/kiosks to refill it. In Tokyo some trains operate women-only cars during the morning rush hour service (until about 9:30 am), which you will want to keep an eye out for. There should be signage on the platform about this (possibly on the floor or on the gates). Some lines also operate reserved seating on one or two cars, which was the case on the line I took to get to Fujiya Camera at Nakano. This was indicated by a green four-leaf clover symbol and the cars were double-deckers whereas the rest of the train were single level, so it was visually obvious.

We stayed with friends in Tokyo so I can't speak to the hotel options there. In Kyoto my wife booked a hotel near City Hall (Oakwood Hotel Oike Kyoto), which was a few stops along one subway line from Kyoto main station, but was still a reasonable distance from transit options. I don't recall if it was a per-person cost but it was still quite reasonable at under 40,000 Yen for three nights during Golden Week (though we did book it early). The room was not huge with two single beds and a washroom/shower, but the hotel was very clean, modern and nicely managed. Just from walking around there seemed to be many of those kinds of hotel options in that area (there are tons of tourists in Kyoto). I also saw at least one coin laundry in the area, so those should be generally available.

Food/restaurants were generally good/very good. We never resorted to franchise fast-food restaurants. Just go by Google reviews and you should be good. Many places have English menus and a lot of restaurants use a QR code ordering system that launch the menu on your phone, through which you place your order with minimal staff interaction. Ramen and skewer type restaurants, as well as others, you should be able to do decent meals for two in the JPY 3,000 range. Department stores, either in basement 'food hall' areas or on the upper floors (for sit-down meals), also can have a lot of good options. And if you are there near closing, the prepared foods areas (usually in the basement) will offer end of day discounts. Same was true in the supermarket near our friends' place in Tokyo, where we could pick up late night snacks for 50% off (sushi and/or deep-fried items). Something to keep in mind though, is that some restaurants will be cash only. Or they take PayPay app payment, which is kind of like debit card payment. So you will want to have some cash on hand. You can also use your Suica card (real or virtual) to pay for items at convenience stores, for example.

The amount of shopping options in Tokyo is just mind bogglingly enormous. If you end up at one of the observation decks at the top of a skyscraper, or one of the towers, you'll come to appreciate just how physically expansive Tokyo is. It's unreal. The amount of infrastructure and the fact that it all functions normally (most of the time) is insane.



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I like 28mm and generally haven't found it limiting. Of course there are situations where an UWA would be preferable, but it was my choice not to worry about that. Similar to when I work with my M system and a set number of lenses. But my approach during this trip was often more about focusing on details within a scene rather than capturing a massive UWA view.

I used the 20mm most on the day I got it, in part to try it out and make sure everything was OK, which it was. I do like UWA and it can
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Thank you!!! Fujiya is now at the top of my list! Regarding used equipment, I'm looking for old Canon FD lenses and maybe an old Olympus or Pentax film body. The bulk of my shopping quest (hopefully) will be for new and used watches that are available for the Japan market only (JDM). My kid will be shopping for anime stuff (I have no clue what in particular).

Thanks for the advice on the Suica card. I don't have an iPhone, so I'll end up buying the physical card. I'll make sure to empty it out before I leave, as I've heard you can't get cash back and it only lasts 28 days.

On another note, I've been debating if I should buy a Sony 24-105mm f4.0 to substitute my Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6. That's if I go with my A7iv instead of my R6II. Problem is I've had bad luck with Sony lenses in the past; many have had decentering issues. Also, I don't know if I'd like the idea of being limited to f4.0 on the wide end.



May 08, 2026 at 11:59 AM
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There are two different Suica cards. You're referring to the 'Welcome' (red) card. I believe with the physical green Suica card, it's valid for 10 years and you can get the money back out of it before you leave, but it's something to look into. TBH I'm not sure why you wouldn't get the green card. In my case at least, because I had it in my Apple Wallet, I just added JPY 1000 or 2000 at a time via credit card and over the last ~36 hours just added JPY 500 at a time. For the final trip to the airport (we flew out of Haneda) I was 20 Yen short but couldn't add such a small amount. 150 was the lowest that seemed to work. For my wife, she topped it up with exactly the difference she was short and had a zero balance when passing through the exit gate. With the physical card you will have to reload it with cash (IIRC) at a terminal. When you use Google Maps for transit planning/information, it will provide the trip cost along with all the other pertinent travel information. Most of our trips around the city were in the 200-300 Yen range. Trips to Kawagoe and Kamakura were more in the 700 Yen range. The metro system in Tokyo appears to be operated by a number of different companies. Some of them appear to offer day pass options for unlimited travel, but only valid on the lines they operate. I didn't look into this further as we mostly did in an out trips and tended to explore one area each day, rather than moving all over Tokyo on multiple trips. My friends in Tokyo used some sort of Yahoo timetable website or app, but I didn't ask if it had an English version. Google Maps worked well enough for us. I did find that some of the subway stations had better, more logical signage than others. It seemed to depend on which line we were riding. For example Yokohama, when we were looking for the Toyoko Line (TY), we initially couldn't find it because it was referred to as the Tokyu Line, which is the parent company operating the Toyoko Line and the signage didn't include the TY abbreviation.

Also, be aware that some lines have women-only cars that operate during morning rush hour (until 9:30 am) and at least one line we used also had special reserved seating double-decker cars that were also identified with a green four-leaf clover symbol on the cars and the platforms. There tend to be a lot of information labels on the platform floors and gates that will provide all of this information, but you have to make a point of noticing and reading it.

For anime, it appears that Akihabara is the place to go, though I did see some shops in Ikebukuro (apparently that area focuses more on anime that appeals to women).

24-105 would be a good general purpose lens but I did use my 70-200 a fair amount for the additional reach. I'd personally be reluctant to not have 200mm available, though on my previous trip to Tokyo ~10 years ago, I only brought my Leica M kit with 90mm as the longest, and I 'survived'.

A good trio for Canon would be the 16-28, 28-70/2.8 and 70-200/4. But that's still >$3500 new. Where did the RF 24-240 come up short in your comparison tests?



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Lots of noise here. I own these systems(Canon, Sony, OM) and would go with OM. It's light; has computational abilities; and it would not be intrusive.


May 16, 2026 at 08:24 PM
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Update:

After reading all the feedback here and on other forums (and lots of overthinking), I decided to buy a Canon RF 24-105mm f4.0L. It arrived today!

So, my main camera outfit will be an R6II, RF 24-105mm f4.0L, RF 35mm f1.8 Macro, and RF 16mm f2.8 STM. My kid will be taking the OM-5 with Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2, and an Olympus 45-150mm f4 Pro.

My reasons for choosing this setup:

1. The focal range I'm probably going to be using the most falls between 24mm and 105mm. At least, I believe so based on what everyone has mentioned about Japan. Also, 95% of my time will be spent in Tokyo, so outdoor city shots will most likely be the bulk of the pics I take.

2. After a (very) lengthy research, it came down to picking between either a Sony 24-105mm f4.0 or a Canon RF 24-105mm f4.0L. Most online reviews place the Canon version slightly above the Sony version in terms of IQ. I've had negative experiences with Sony lenses (decentering issues), having to return them until I got a good copy. Ironically, I actually owned a Canon RF 24-105mm f4.0L a few years ago but ended up returning it because it was deffective. I decided to try again. Just arrived today, but preliminary testing indicates it seems to work properly.

3. The 24-105mm f4.0 covers most of my shooting, but I will still need a wider lens (I'm assuming). While my Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 is an absolutely amazing lens, my Canon RF 16mm f2.8 STM is way lighter and performs fairly well.

4. While my Sony A7iv captures better images than my Canon R6II, I really love using my R6II mostly because of the ergonomics.

5. My kid would be complaining constantly having to carry the "heavy" A7c, so the OM-5 it is.

Worst case scenario is if my kid ends up complaining too much, and I see that I don't need to carry around the R6II, then I'll just commandeer the OM-5 outfit and use it for the duration of the trip.



May 16, 2026 at 09:07 PM
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https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-sigma-20-200mm-3-5-6-3-dg-contemporary/

Seems like a good super-zoom option. For Sony. Not Canon.



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