p.1 #1 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Just curious what others opinions are. I have enjoyed the XE5 for the most part. For what I bought it for landscape/EDC type of camera it is great. The problem is using it for anything fast moving like wildlife, sports and air shows. It's not bad, but the simple fact is coming from Sony I can't "unsee" the difference. I really like all the lenses I bought for the XE5 so no problems on the glass side. Just miss that Sony AF. Told myself I would wait it out and see how the XT6 performs. If it still lags behind then I'll probably just suck it up till the A7crii comes out and then switch back to Sony. Assuming Sony doesn't ruin that camera with a flip screen again. Which caused the switch to Fuji in the first place.
p.1 #3 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Fuji AF is not the most important feature, to me. If I had to guess, I think Fuji will likely not match the AF of the other major manufacturers, maybe close. I still regularly use my Fuji E1 and E2 and enjoy them
greatly. Value for money is most important IMO.
p.1 #4 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Fuji and their AF are usable for most people in most situations. If you know you need better for your use case, then choose another system.
There was something about a Fuji manager stating that the next gen will be better, and that firmware will improve some older cameras/lenses too. We can only hope it's a significant improvement.
p.1 #5 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
I've read that fine tuning your AF-C settings can help, although I've never bothered personally (I'm rarely trying to track anything faster than a 2 year old, and the default settings on my X-T5 are fine for that). The improvements in AF from the X-T3 to the X-T5 were huge. I'd be surprised if the next generation isn't better.
p.1 #7 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Fuji is behind on two fronts: a CPU/SoC that is markedly worse than the market competitors at large, and a lack of an AF algorithm that is sophisticated enough to ensure very high keeper rates during AF-C.
They are further, but not as, hamstrung by lenses that have some middling AF motors in them...even the best chips and algorithms won't make a lens like the 35/1.4 OG focus well during hardcore AF-C use. There are other lenses that will work just fine with a state of the art focusing system, like the 200/2.
Then you have the actual OS which has become a duct-taped kludgefest as items have been slowly added to various nonsensical sections of the menus over the years...they are majorly due for a Sony-esque UI refresh.
I don't see a way their next gen even catches up to the current generation of full frame cameras without a small miracle happening, due to some obvious resistances to modern technology from the people who have been hamstringing the Fujifilm engineering department for years. Fuji so very badly wants to be a lifestyle brand over everything now. The little bastard X-Half child is all you need to examine to witness how little they care about actual photographers.
p.1 #11 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
RoamingScott wrote:
Fuji is behind on two fronts: a CPU/SoC that is markedly worse than the market competitors at large, and a lack of an AF algorithm that is sophisticated enough to ensure very high keeper rates during AF-C.
They are further, but not as, hamstrung by lenses that have some middling AF motors in them...even the best chips and algorithms won't make a lens like the 35/1.4 OG focus well during hardcore AF-C use. There are other lenses that will work just fine with a state of the art focusing system, like the 200/2.
Then you have the actual OS which has become a duct-taped kludgefest as items have been slowly added to various nonsensical sections of the menus over the years...they are majorly due for a Sony-esque UI refresh.
I don't see a way their next gen even catches up to the current generation of full frame cameras without a small miracle happening, due to some obvious resistances to modern technology from the people who have been hamstringing the Fujifilm engineering department for years. Fuji so very badly wants to be a lifestyle brand over everything now. The little bastard X-Half child is all you need to examine to witness how little they care about actual photographers....Show more →
Since I have 6 viltrox lenses ( all excellent) and only one Fuji I'm not really concerned about the motors in them. So I don't think the motors would be the bottle neck (at least for me). To me as you mentioned it comes down to processing power and the algorithms used. At the end of the day if they can't improve on that then what else could they really provide as incentive for current XT5 owners to upgrade?
p.1 #12 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
no doubt the next iteration will get better, i don't know if it can catchup with sony/canon or nikon but also typically fuji cost less than fast af cameras. also there is the AI factor which could change a lot of things in AF
p.1 #13 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
RoamingScott wrote:
Fuji is behind on two fronts: a CPU/SoC that is markedly worse than the market competitors at large, and a lack of an AF algorithm that is sophisticated enough to ensure very high keeper rates during AF-C.
They are further, but not as, hamstrung by lenses that have some middling AF motors in them...even the best chips and algorithms won't make a lens like the 35/1.4 OG focus well during hardcore AF-C use. There are other lenses that will work just fine with a state of the art focusing system, like the 200/2.
Then you have the actual OS which has become a duct-taped kludgefest as items have been slowly added to various nonsensical sections of the menus over the years...they are majorly due for a Sony-esque UI refresh.
I don't see a way their next gen even catches up to the current generation of full frame cameras without a small miracle happening, due to some obvious resistances to modern technology from the people who have been hamstringing the Fujifilm engineering department for years. Fuji so very badly wants to be a lifestyle brand over everything now. The little bastard X-Half child is all you need to examine to witness how little they care about actual photographers....Show more →
New bodies don't have to AF like other brands of FF/FX, just better than the current generation Fuji X bodies.
Nikon, Canon, and Sony APS-C systems are rather limited. Fuji X may have a relatively niche market, but it is there.
p.1 #14 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Its actually very easy for Fujifilm to catch up with the competition.
The only feature they need is to vastly improve accuracy of focus lock confirmation. The current disconnect is that the camera will suggest focus is locked (when its not) and permit shutter release.
If you couple the perception of focus lock WITH shutter release - the end user will have the perception of screaming fast auto focus.
As someone who shoots manual focus, it would be incredible to have automatic shutter release when the subject comes in focus. You could setup zone focus traps and let the camera do the work for you. Its also how you'd get around the limitation of "slower / older" focusing motors.
Yes it results in slower burst speeds, however it would satisfy the vast majority of consumers.
p.1 #15 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Just curious what others opinions are. I have enjoyed the XE5 for the most part. For what I bought it for landscape/EDC type of camera it is great. The problem is using it for anything fast moving like wildlife, sports and air shows. It's not bad, but the simple fact is coming from Sony I can't "unsee" the difference. I really like all the lenses I bought for the XE5 so no problems on the glass side. Just miss that Sony AF. Told myself I would wait it out and see how the XT6 performs. If it still lags behind then I'll probably just suck it up till the A7crii comes out and then switch back to Sony. Assuming Sony doesn't ruin that camera with a flip screen again. Which caused the switch to Fuji in the first place. ...Show more →
The best Fuji AF is in the Xh2s apparently, and the bigger body still gets hot. So an Xt6 is unlikelyto be competing with the best elsewhere, especially at less than half the price of a Z9.
More unrealistic expectations.
While 'researching' this subject I came across a great quote, from 'Morris' who does wonderful stuff with Fuji af-c, roughly and from memory :-
'What, AF again? L O L. Focus is the job of the photographer, some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining.'
p.1 #16 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
No - for that, a whole re-design of the AF system would be required. No firmware fix of the past was able to fix the AF-S inconsistencies and beyond infinity focus with many lenses (mostly from focal length of 23mm and wider). Distance limiter function on newer bodies can fix beyond infinity, though.
p.1 #17 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Look at you complaining about eyelash focus. The real issue is the Fuji AF algorithm ignoring the person in front of you to go right to the random face in the back. highdesertmesa wrote:
Best we can hope for is single shot eye-AF that doesn't focus on the eyelashes.
p.1 #18 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
RoamingScott wrote:
… markedly worse than the market competitors at large
…lack of an AF algorithm that is sophisticated
…middling AF motors in them’
…the actual OS which has become a duct-taped kludgefest
… nonsensical sections of the menus.
…without a small miracle happening
…bvious resistances to modern technology from the people who have been hamstringing the Fujifilm engineering department
…The little bastard X-Half child is all you need to examine to witness how little they care about actual photographers.
what is the opposite of fanboy? ;-)
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, a safe bet would be that there will be improvements to AF and other features in new models (as there have been in previous new introductions), that Fujifilm AF will work quite well for most people but won’t achieve Divine Perfection, and that the Big Three will probably have an edge over Fujifilm for those truly pushing the outer edges of the envelope.
As someone wrote above:
EB-1 wrote:
New bodies don't have to AF like other brands of FF/FX, just better than the current generation Fuji X bodies.
Nikon, Canon, and Sony APS-C systems are rather limited. Fuji X may have a relatively niche market, but it is there.
p.1 #19 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
JadedWriter wrote:
Look at you complaining about eyelash focus. The real issue is the Fuji AF algorithm ignoring the person in front of you to go right to the random face in the back.
Even with my eyesight problems I can focus on someone stood in front of me, why do you rely on automation? Easiest job in the world.
p.1 #20 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
gyoung143 wrote:
Even with my eyesight problems I can focus on someone stood in front of me, why do you rely on automation? Easiest job in the world.
It takes longer. And, according to some tests, with most subjects AF is actually more accurate. Also, people move, so your fixed MF setting may not be correct, a continuous AF will adjust. lan
I’m certainly not against manual focus. That how I work when shooting landscapes, where I typically zoom in to a high magnification and manually check focus on different areas of the subject… but that’s a pretty different case than photographing people.
