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Once in a while I have to shoot couples on an open boat, some shots are off another boat, kind of candid and long lenses I found out being a big challenge to get steady shots but when on the same boat the space is very limited, sometimes matter of max 10 feet, shooting from 24 to 50 mm I would say and when the sun is still high I think a strobe would be a big support, yesterday we had a circumstance with many shots with the sun in the lens, thought that a small strobe could help if I would bring an extra helping hand but wondering what would you think could work, umbrella, a 2’ softbox or just a big reflector to use the bouncing sun?

Any personal experience with such a circumstance considering a boat after subject to wind so no big stuff.

Thank you

Giovanni



May 03, 2026 at 02:03 PM
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You haven't described your shoot with enough detail to make it fully clear as to how you are trying to set up this photo shoot, but I'll make a few suggestions based on what you have provided -

Working with you in one boat and your subject in the other is usually going to be quite difficult with you moving in one direction and the subject moving in another, but higher shutter speeds can avoid motion blur. If your camera is capable of multiple shooting for each press of the shutter button, you can pick the best of them in POST. Sports photographers do this. With both of you and the camera in the same boat, at least you will all be moving in the same direction at the same time.

To avoid Sun flare you will need to shield the camera lens from the Sun. Changing the boat direction might be the easy way to fix this. Can you trade places with your subject, or at least pick an orientation that keeps the Sun from shining into the camera lens? You haven't said if this is a private small boat that could easily be changed slightly in direction or if this is a cruise line commercial boat. If you can't change the boat direction, a shield to block the Sun from directly hitting the lens will be needed, like the black side of a five way reflector held just out of camera view, but in a position that blocks the Sun from shining directly on the camera lens. An assistant is usually needed to hold this reflector, especially when the wind is blowing. A 16" square or larger of black foam core of matt board might work. Most anything that puts the end of the camera lens in the shade of the direct Sunlight will work, but it needs to be placed where it's not seen by the camera lens. Usually close to the lens, but angled so as not to be seen in the shot works best, but something larger and farther away from the lens will work too. You just need to put the end of the camera lens in shadow from direct Sunlight.

You might be able to set the focus point of the camera on the subject's face only, and not need a flash, but if shooting a group, adding flash or a reflector to light their faces and upper parts of their bodies usually helps. When outdoors in a park or similar and in bright Sunlight I usually try to position my subject in the shade of a large tree or building, then use a reflector to light their face and body with me holding the camera and/or the assistant holding the reflector. I have an extended triangle shaped 5 way reflector with a handle at the narrow end that I can hold with left hand while holding the camera with right hand when I don't have an assistant. In a public park, or maybe a cruise line boat, there are many that stop to watch photography, especially when the subject is young and pretty, so it's usually easy to get someone to hold the reflectors, but you need to train them to hold the reflector high and reflecting the Sun down on the subject from above. Your reflector for this use is basically using the Sun's reflection to create your second or third light source on your subject. They should not hold the reflector low and angled up at the subject. It creates unnatural Goulish light and shadowing when held low and reflected up. If no shade to work in, a large 5-way reflector with the outer cover completely removed, makes a "Scrim" a semi transparent filter that can be held over the subject to disperse the direct Sunlight. Of course, this requires another one or two assistants, especially in the wind. Your method of dealing with Sunlight and lens flare will be easy if you can see where the Sun is in the sky and position your subject and you to make maxim use of it as your main "Key" light source. Assistants with reflectors then become your 2nd and 3rd, etc fill lights. To me, trying to "Over Power the Sun" with powerful lighting is crazy and too heavy to carry to and from the photo shoot. I make use of the Sun as best as I can and use reflectors, scrims, etc to control it and get the shots that I want. Using soft boxes and expensive lighting outdoors is crazy. Mother Nature has a sense of humor, and just when you have those expensive lights and soft boxes set up perfectly, a sudden gust of wind on what seems to be a wind less day will blow them down. Save the expensive lights and soft boxes for indoor photography.

When the sky is overcast, but not dark and not raining, you have the largest possible soft box overhead, powered by the Sunlight, to get great photos. Use it as your Key light and fill in with speedlites or small lights like Godox AD200 outdoors. No soft boxes, but sometimes reflectors and grids when you want to better control their light direction.. These are more wind proof, but when I do use lights outdoors I make use of sandbags, filled at the shoot location and emptied where found after the shoot. I also make use of paracord, a small 1/4" diameter or less very strong woven jacket cord, Gaffers Tape, Boot Laces, etc. to secure the light stands well, sometimes to big rocks, park benches, railings, small sized trees, etc. Don't forget to weight your tripod down. I have an eye nut on the bottom of the center column of my tripods, and use D Rings to hang my camera bag on them, or something else for weight.

Some or all of these ideas might help you on larger boats. About 1/3 of the weight that I carry to remote photo shoots involves gear needed to deal with the Sun, the environment, and Mother Nature's sense of humor. She's a destructive old broad.

If you wish to add more detail about your boat location and shoot, I will try to provide some better answers.

Charley




May 03, 2026 at 03:25 PM
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Hi Charley,

thank. you for your detailed reply, as I mentioned in my opening post the boat is small, I might have at the most 10 feet gap between me and the subject/s and even tho I can maneuver as I want there are constraints like landscape they want to be in the frame otherwise it might be the middle of the Pacific Ocean as well as the Black Sea...

The idea of a reflector is what I mostly lean forward to if I have an assistant but a big reflector is a challenge on a moving boat even tho moving at a slow pace which is still 4-6knots along with breeze not to mention that using it to block the sun with the constraint of needing to include part of the background makes it more complicated.

I own a Godox IT30Pro, the little thing, I tried to use it but mounted on the camera with it's stand off which makes so the lens hood doesn't get in the way of the light beam, is too harsh and obvious, thought of using it remote with the trigger but one hand to hold the flash, one to hold the camera and a bunch of money on engines on a moving and busy surface is not the smartest idea, had I an assistant, which I will ask for in a next instance, would be different and at that point I'd rather use a real thing than the small but weak IT30Pro, maybe my AD200Pro but, again, needs a diffuser no matter which (no, I don't want to buy a flash like a V1).

To make things easier let me try and attach a shot of the worse scenario from yesterday






May 04, 2026 at 02:07 AM
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Using an assistant with around a 2-ft. hand held softbox/octabox would be the best solution. Get one with a removable diffuser so you can shoot with and without the baffle for more distance. Your AD200 would be much better than your current iT30 for things like boat to boat.


May 04, 2026 at 06:49 AM
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Yep, I got the IT30Pro just because "why not" but never meant to use it for a paid job, the AD200 is still portable enough for such a thing and a small environment where you need no much power.

Good suggestion about the diffuser to gain some power if needed, now it's about to get more jobs and an assistant, will shop for a 60-70cm softbox, I have a beautiful but big Aputure 35" deep round softbox, definitely too much for an open space hand held circumstance, something smaller but still pretty round.

What about beauty dishes, are they suitable for such a thing?

Grazie



May 04, 2026 at 07:27 AM
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Shooting Capri in a Riva has got to be special. Bellissimo!

I like to have some power for this situation and use a Godox AD200 flash with the head extension (EC200) to make it portable.

Outdoors, I generally don't use the softbox or stand and just shoot with godox's round reflector (accessory) in my left hand. The battery pack goes in a sling bag or backpack and the power cord is looped over my shoulder, using it like a handheld flash (X3 remote trigger is on camera). The accessory reflector came with with gels and modifiers.


The 200's rectangular head isn't good, so replace it with the round (H200R), if you use with this model.

They have newer models that are more powerful that you might consider. The 200 might not have enough punch for boat-to-boat work, so you might want the 300w, 400w and 600w versions. Depends on your working distance.



Markus has a lot of gear and opinions on lighting you can waste and entire morning on for ideas, too.
https://www.youtube.com/@MarkusPix/videos



May 04, 2026 at 07:41 AM
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Nice boat. I have owned two cabin cruisers in the 21 ft size. One on the Hudson River, which saw the full length of the Hudson from the Statue of Liberty North, even through the canal to Lake Champlain. It was a wooden boat and back in the 1950's - 60's. Then the second, a SeaRay with cabin in North Carolina, mostly used on Lake Norman, a created lake to support hydroelectric and Atomic power, with just over 1,000 miles of shoreline. When graduating high school it was a toss up as to which career for me to seek, that of sea captain or electronics engineer. I ended up becoming an electrical/electronic engineer, but have spent considerable time on the water anyway.

A lens hood will likely be necessary because the Sun is behind them and shining toward the camera lens. Nice hair light from the Sun though. Lens flare occurs when a very bright specular light shines directly on the lens glass. Shadowing the lens glass eliminates this problem and this is what a lens hood is for. If you still get lens flare, they make larger conical lens hoods, or maybe you could just hold a 12 X 16" or so piece of black foam core (what I usually do) above and angled slightly to camera right for this shot, since the Sun appears to be high and slightly camera right, with your left hand and camera in right hand. It needs to be held so as not to be seen by the camera, but out and above the lens so the lens is in the shadow formed by the foam core (or cardboard or anything light and easy to hold). If the lens glass is in shadow, the only specular flare that you might get will be off chrome boat hardware and water reflection. A circular polarizing filter on your camera lens can be used to reduce these specular reflections if you wish to reduce it, but you may need to increase the flash power, as the filter may remove too much of the flash energy from the shot. It's going to take some experimenting, but then you will be prepared for the next similar shoot. You need to rotate the outer glass of this filter with respect to the inner glass. When you do this, the level of the reflection will diminish, but you may need to add a little more flash power to get the shot that you are looking for, as the polaroid filter will somewhat affect all of the light reaching the lens.

OK, when looking at these two photos -

In photo #2 it is obvious that your flash hasn't been diffused/spread to cover their face and upper body well. This is because of the size of the flash and the lens on it fails to spread and even out the light across a larger area of them. An adjustable LED flash light might do better. If I was doing this shoot, with the Sun behind them like this, I would likely use a 3' diameter 5 way reflector, likely the white side, and use the reflected Sun to light the upper half of their bodies. Since the boat is moving and there is very likely wind, an assistant, standing if possible, camera left, and holding the white 3' reflector as high as possible with the reflection angled down slightly and aimed to light the upper half of the couple. An alternative for me would be to use an AD200 Pro II or similar in an S2 clamp with a 1-2' Bowens Mount soft box or 7" round reflector (what I have), held by the assistant and aimed toward the faces and upper half of the couple. I tend to use the 7" round reflectors more outdoors because soft boxes catch the wind too much. Honeycomb style grids of different densities can be added to the 7" reflectors to control the diameter of the light spread. From about 10' distance, you will likely need 1/2-3/4 power setting (or about 150 W/S) or more. So this is more light power than your IT30 Pro flash can produce, but there will be a loss of 1-2 F-Stops going through the soft box or grid. Your flash is bright enough for the shot, but not large enough in spread for the result desired, and when light is spread it requires more power to achieve the same level on the subject (inverse square law) at the same distance. The benefit of the soft box is to spread the light wider and softer, and make it more even across the wider (actually rounder and larger) area. Reflected Sunlight is softer than direct Sunlight, so the 5 way reflector softens the Sunlight too.

You might get by using the scrim (center portion of the 5 way reflector) as a diffuser to spread and even the light from your IT30, but this would require an assistant to hold the flash and a second to hold the scrim, and you obviously don't have the space for this, which is why I suggested the small soft box or 7" reflector.

In photo #1, blocking out their faces has made it difficult for me to tell what, if anything, your flash is doing for you, but I think my suggestions that I have given you for photo #2 still apply. I can see why you wanted the background in the photos. Can I ask where this took place? It's definitely no where that I have ever been. Very interesting.

Charley



May 04, 2026 at 08:20 AM
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I got a bit old to stand a full day on the Riva, it's a magnificent boat and one of the first I ever had the pleasure to drive when I was a teen, they are very rare nowadays and when there is the chance to have a ride with it I don't let it slip off my hands, it's a joy to sail with it, the hull is one of the smoothest I ever sail with (and I been sailing lot of boats), the feeling of speed is unbelievable, it's a boat which could reach 50Kts back in time, never pushed this one but even 30Kts is a blast but it remains a delicate boat, built end of '80s and very very precious so it has to be handled with maximum care.

Yes our coasts are nice, April and May still enjoyable, then September onwards but the sunsets always make it, for this particular instance we had to go early and the sun was still high up but when I shoot from another boat I use a long lens and no strobes, I instruct the skipper to position the boat between me and background and I try and have the sun behind me (the rocks are by the south east corner of the island so in the afternoon it's easy to be well positioned with the sun behind), the issue is that with lenses over 100mm the double motion of both boats make it hard to freeze action nonetheless shutter speed, I was wise enough not to try and take my old 300/4 with me, even at home with my 57yo hands it's hard to have a steady framing being on solid ground... took the old 80-200/ED which still delivers up to 150ish but I figured that if this was a more frequent job I should get a modern 70-200S with all the whistles and bells of VR etc etc.

The Riva is a very small boat, I might ask the guests to drive (slow) and kneel on the bow to take action pics (and for them to have fun) then jump back, drive and let them lay on the back to take easier shots, this time I used the D850 with 80-200 and 24-35, this lens does very well in small environments, it's pretty sharp but bothering to have to apply corrections in pòst as it vignettes and distorts even by f8, flare resistance so far so good.

The other camera was a Z8 with 24-120 (which I could have used for close up photos too) and 50/1.8, next time I will drop the D850 for the Z6II so I have VR on both and a more reliable AF, don't need 45MP for close up photo so it would do well and I might throw in the 24-35 with the Z adapter if I want to.

I will have to try and use the round head on the AD200 with no modifier, I did back in time but I am not a strobe shooter (yet), it could work unless I have specific requests for close up portraits which I don't think is the case on a boat with sky as background, the idea of the remote cord is interesting and the dome even more, I have to look for it, should I look at Godox ones or generic?

Thank you for the feedback

Giovanni



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I was in NYC in February, coming off of Colorado, Aspen felt like the Mauricius compared to NYC... my son took me to Staten Island with the ferry, it was windy and freezing cold but I imagine what it would be like sailing there, next time I will have to take one of the ferries going all around Manhattan, gotta be beautiful, I loved the views off the Staten Island route, a pity there was no way, nonetheless the cold, to go out and take some shots.

The photos I posted where on natural light, the little flash I used for test on closer photos but I didn't like it even tho it was not full power, being a paid job I couldn't mess it up for the sake of testing, if I have a chance to make some tests once I go out with friends (and my boat, not the Riva!!!) I could take both the reflector and the strobe, the AD200, to test them out, I don't mean to overpower the sun with 200W but that's the fun of photography, there always something new to explore.

Grazie

Giovanni



May 04, 2026 at 11:14 AM
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Why don't you start with just a 5 way reflector. One about 3' diameter should be sufficient, and a lot cheaper than investing in lights and soft boxes. On a day like in your photos it will do better than the soft box. There are many uses for 5 way reflectors. The scrim makes a Sun shade when held up Sun above the subject. In this case, bigger is better, but when I go on a field shoot I always take several sizes of 5 ways with me. Without an assistant, the elongated triangle shape with handle at the narrow point lets you hold it yourself in left hand while shooting with the camera in right hand. This reflector has let me get some really nice "up close" shots. My usual list of 5 ways for a field shoot is this one, plus a 3' round, and sometimes also a 4' round or rectangle. I have many sizes and use them in my studio too.

Always teach your assistant how to hold and reflect the Sunlight where you need it before the shoot. Higher is better, and when the wind blows a hard gust, just turn it 90 degrees so the wind can't take it and you with it. When the wind lessens, return it to the needed position and continue. So you loose the shot because of the wind gust, but your assistant won't be able to keep it positioned correctly in the wind anyway, and your expensive light and soft box in the same situation would likely be on the ground. Without training, assistants, especially volunteers from the watchers, want to hold reflectors low and angled to provide low reflected light shining up at the subject. The effect is a Goulish light like for Halloween. While looking into a mirror, shine a flashlight up at your own face from below. Is this the kind of light that you want? Like I said, it's Halloween lighting.

I almost never take soft boxes and flashes out when the shoot will be in bright Sun. Even on a partly cloudy day you will have plenty of chances to use reflectors, but remember that the clouds can be a huge soft box in the sky, so make use of it when the chance arrives.



Charley




May 04, 2026 at 12:46 PM
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If the shooting goal is more casual and candid, then I would use on-camera flash for fill and use the sun as the key. You want to work the sun angle to match the desired subject impression.

However, if you want to create studio-grade images then you have to turn the boat itself into a studio. That means installing diffusion and reflectors beforehand, and asking your subjects to hit their mark. The light source is the sun plus possible strobes/flash for accent. Obviously, this preparation is much more involved and weather is a big question mark (sun, clouds, wind). With boat-as-studio, you can shoot from another boat without problem because the lighting apparatus is located on the subject boat—just need a radio trigger.



May 05, 2026 at 10:04 PM
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GiovanniAprea wrote:
Yep, I got the IT30Pro just because "why not" but never meant to use it for a paid job, the AD200 is still portable enough for such a thing and a small environment where you need no much power.

Good suggestion about the diffuser to gain some power if needed, now it's about to get more jobs and an assistant, will shop for a 60-70cm softbox, I have a beautiful but big Aputure 35" deep round softbox, definitely too much for an open space hand held circumstance, something smaller but still pretty round.

What about beauty dishes, are they suitable for such
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Absolutely, they are more streamlined than softboxes and easier to use in the wind. The light isn’t as soft, but the viewer expects to see a bit harder light in the sun. I use them all the time on beach portraits.



May 06, 2026 at 06:46 AM
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Looking at area you had to work within and the angle of the sun, natural light and a reflector is probably the best you can hope for if you're working alone. It would have been best to opt for a later shoot time so you're not dealing with challenging bright sun right overhead, ideally close to golden hour. A one handed triangular reflector like this manfrotto one would have been nice to have. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/a/new/270873/Lastolite_LL_LR3641_TriGrip_Reflector_Gold_White.html

You'd need an assistant to hold the light if you chose to use off camera flash in this situation. I'd recommend picking up a simple paint pole adapter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1763274-REG/westcott_4739_westcott_paint_pole_adapter.htm. You can use it with the Godox AD200 and a small white interior umbrella, and just pick up an extendable paint pole or even a broom stick handle will work. Also nice because you don't have to worry about lugging a light stand halfway across the world, because a paint pole can be found almost anywhere.



May 06, 2026 at 11:38 AM
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My mistake was, this very time, not to tell the boat company that I needed an assistant to drive the boat while I shoot off a distance which is what we would usually do in the past, I always had the same guy on the couple's boat and he already knew how to position the boat towards me, the sun and the background, it made the work so much easier not to say the other person on my boat to also be instructed and make the process very smooth.

Now if I had an assistant either a reflector, which I own even tho I yell longer than I use it when it's about to fold it back, or a strobe would work, since I have both and they don't take much space I will have to just try, will have to retrieve maybe a small dome, as suggested above, to fit the AD200Pro to concentrate the beam when using the round bulb instead of the Fresnel lens.

Grazie



May 07, 2026 at 04:21 AM
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One other suggestion that might be very handy for your boat photography. Joe McNally used to use a small softbox and have the assistant hold it close to the subject with a light-weight adjustable paint pole. I found one of Joe’s older videos that shows the setup. There’s a paint pole adapter from Westcott and the paint pole you can buy from Home Depot or Lowes. The paint pole setup is about 3/4 of the way through the video.

https://www.picturecorrect.com/simple-portable-lighting-setups-for-remote-photography-locations/

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1763274-REG/westcott_4739_westcott_paint_pole_adapter.html



May 09, 2026 at 08:15 AM







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