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 Re: The 58mm F/1.4G Thread | |
xtralight wrote:
zhangyue wrote:
xtralight wrote:
I know about using MF when I used to own a M6 with 35mm f1.4, 50mm f2 and 90mm f2.
You either didn’t read what I posted, or have no clue what I posted. Pick a Leica Rangefinder as a MF example just show this clueless on what I am talking about. I am a M9 user and I can’t get above shots by using RF, (at least 80% of above) they all at minimal focus distance and of center, focus and recompose error can’t be tolerated here. You have to focus by eyes.
xtralight wrote:
Your pictures are not as close as Joe\'s. You have more depth of field to compensate for minor focus error with your 35mm. As to show me some 50mm picture at f1.4 and close focus distance, I know that you will have some. It is possible to take pictures with MF lenses. I give you that. But was your picture you had good was exactly THE moment you wanted at first?
Again, this tell me you have no clue about DOF or difficult of having image in focus at different focus length. If anything, I will say 35 is more difficult to use than 50mm for MF. Do an online calculation of DOF: at 35mm distance at f1.4, DOF is 48mm for a 35mm lens, For a 50mm lens, at 50mm distance at f1.4, DOF, again is 48mm. Given the sample I posted have about the same projection ratio as Joe’s 58mm sample.
Of course I will have samples at 50mm even 80mm at f1.4. Of course I will have the moment I want and I will lose moment as well just like AF do. That is not the point, I pacifically mentioned trade off and specify under what condition, MF is preferred, you seems just don’t get it.
xtralight wrote:
My point is that if I want THE moment with the composition I want with a sharp eye in focus of my children when using my 85mm f1.4 or any lens at f1.4 at close distance, my odds will be higher with AF. I may have good pictures of my children with MF, but they might not be exactly what I wanted…
It is good you say ‘my odd’ will be higher. And I clear state MF requires skill and practice. Not just plug it in and shoot like AF.(even AF require skill) and MF is very suitable for 35, 50 range, less so with longer focal length. Why you pick 85mm? It would be nice to show some samples to illustrate your point: use AF for erratic child.
xtralight wrote:
Most sport photographers are not using MF lenses anymore for a reason, neither most wedding photographers. There are some that might do it, fine, as there always some exceptions to every rules.
You change the topic here, I never say sport photographer will benefit MF,(though good shooter will know use trap focus) nor wedding photographer, on the contrary, I say if you are professional, use AF, because even MF is preferred at cases, after a half day, thousands of photos, I can’t say it anymore.
And you use 58 or 35 for sports?
xtralight wrote:
I think that you will hold your position and the same for me. Let stop this talk, you are enjoying your Leica lens while taking pictures of your kids, I will enjoy my fast AF lenses with my fast DSLR with my kids. That is all that is important, us enjoying taking pictures of our kids. xtralight wrote:
Nice set Joe!
Sounds to me, you don’t even have MF experience, hence for original:
I would love to see the Otus perform here with fast moving children without AF!  !
Sharpness is nothing if you cannot focus on your subject...
I mainly list some scenario that MF is preferred and I disagree with your generalization about above statement. With well corrected optics, I bet Otus is even better for MF than most lenses. I am not buying that lens as it is very expensive, I won’t laugh like that if anyone pick it over 58G here.
The point is manual focus especially good for most hobbyist, or for family shots, as you are close to your subject,(you can see the focus) and you don’t have pressure to take 100s photo in a session.
Saying something like this in Nikon forum with epic manual thread going on just saying yourself have no clue about trade off between AF and MF.
I think that illustrate my point.
Sorry, off topic, more 58mm samples please.
English is not my native language but the way you wrote your reply, even if you said it is pacifically, your tone is the more condescending one…
It seem to me that I did not try to offend you or to diminish your talent or anything. But, the way I understand your reply, I am the kind of photographer that just spray and pray with a machine gun sort of DSLR. It is worthless than to try to change your mind then.
You are right about DOF, I was wrong. In your specifics conditions for MF and with your skills, AF may not be better, I do not know and I won\'t imply anything.
How a picture can show you how erratic was my kid was before the shot was taken? It is impossible, you must be there… For a good test, we need to be taking the pictures of the same subject and see the number of keepers. And I am sure we will disagree about what is a good picture! 
For the OP, sorry for the off topic.
Don\'t make \'made life easier\' as lame excuse of incapable skill. Don\'t even laugh others chocie before fundamental understanding and learning. Offend is not taken, but point need to make clear since it is all start from you challenge the validation of MF but turn out you don\'t even have any experience on MF.
That is all.
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