highdesertmesa wrote: RoamingScott wrote: highdesertmesa wrote:The X2D with its leaf shutter lenses is similar, but the camera is pretty big and the lenses put more weight out front. I think with the 100RF it won't be too difficult to shoot at slower shutter speeds.
The proof is in the pudding with the many excellent low-light samples out there already. Small minds think small thoughts.
I've been shooting the M11 with the electronic shutter, so essentially the same thing as the 100RF – same pixel pitch and no shutter shock. I'm good to about 1/125 sec. Any lower, and I just take three shots, and one is always good. The 100RF looks easier to hold than the M11, though. I'm thinking I could probably do 1/30 sec. if I pay attention
+1
I used to be good to about 1/15, maybe 1/8 ... with concentrated technique on my old FE (yeah, I know).
But, I think the salient point here is to NOT FORGET that even if you need to keep your SS a bit higher, you've got a TON of headroom in your ISO. I mean, two stops from 1/30 to 1/125 "ain't nuttin" for a bump in ISO.
And, yes ... a leaf shutter is so much smoother (radial, counterbalancing forces acting like a mini-gyroscope) than a focal plane curtain, that whatever you can do with a focal plane shutter ... you can naturally do slower with a leaf shutter.
I've written many times over the years of a fantasy that Leica would develop a series of camera / (ILC) lenses with leaf shutters in them ... similarly sized to the M's. Imo, that would be the cat's meow.
This ... given the bump in sensor size ain't too shabby to think about. Compared to the Hassy X1D II (i.e. no IBIS) or 907X, mated with the Hassy pancake 45/4 (different FL), it's in the same ballpark. One nice thing about the Fuji, is it has a monochrome profile ... for previewing in mono, that the Hassy doesn't offer.
I'd be curious to better understand the optic of the Fuji 35/4 vs. the Hassy 45/4 P ... or 28/4 P (starting to see a pattern, here) as it pertains to its elements / drawing style. But, as to the discussion about f/4 in a pancake lens for MF sensor ... it looks like the Fuji is "splittin' the diff" vs. the Hassy with it's focal length. Vs. the 28 (i.e. 26 + distortion correction) Q3, I've kind of taken to shooting my Q2 with its 35mm crop, so the premise of the Q vs. the RF is inline. Would it be nice to have the OIS in the Fuji ... ummm, do I have OIS or IBIS in any of my M's
Yeah, on paper f/4 and no IBIS ... it kinda hits you in the face as a "Hard Pass" ... until you really start to think it through. Now, they need to next bring out a 100 RF with a fixed 63/2.8 (shades of the Q3 43).
Mar 23, 2025 at 10:13 AM
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highdesertmesa wrote: RoamingScott wrote: highdesertmesa wrote:The X2D with its leaf shutter lenses is similar, but the camera is pretty big and the lenses put more weight out front. I think with the 100RF it won't be too difficult to shoot at slower shutter speeds.
The proof is in the pudding with the many excellent low-light samples out there already. Small minds think small thoughts.
I've been shooting the M11 with the electronic shutter, so essentially the same thing as the 100RF – same pixel pitch and no shutter shock. I'm good to about 1/125 sec. Any lower, and I just take three shots, and one is always good. The 100RF looks easier to hold than the M11, though. I'm thinking I could probably do 1/30 sec. if I pay attention
+1
I used to be good to about 1/15, maybe 1/8 ... with concentrated technique on my old FE (yeah, I know).
But, I think the salient point here is to NOT FORGET that even if you need to keep your SS a bit higher, you've got a TON of headroom in your ISO. I mean, two stops from 1/30 to 1/125 "ain't nuttin" for a bump in ISO.
And, yes ... a leaf shutter is so much smoother (radial, counterbalancing forces acting like a mini-gyroscope) than a focal plane curtain, that whatever you can do with a focal plane shutter ... you can naturally do slower with a leaf shutter.
Mar 23, 2025 at 10:01 AM
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