Difference with the FLE in the bokeh seems reasonably clear, is it going to be the same with the distagon ZM do you think, still smoother right - less double lines, softer and cleaner?
Sort of like a nokton 1.2 (maybe more the 40/50mm f1.2 than the 35...(?)) but more modern colours and possibly a bit more contrast?
Does seem very nice. I prefer a little bit longer instead of chunkier but it doesn't seem too big to cradle when holding and keep in a bag when not, which is what I do anyway and you get 1.2. Sort of like the build of the nikon 50/1.2 ais vs 1.4. I'd love to use the 1.4 because of the chunky 1.2 even though it's not long but the f2 performance on film with the 1.4.
Just that closeness with the aperture ring and focussing ring, annoying on my voigtlander 40/2 ultron slii-n (f mount) but that one is also smaller and maybe worse for that. Haven't used it enough to know if it's something you get used to, but I've certainly hit the wrong one by accident a lot so far.
£7,700 vs £5,240 for the fle. If okay buying a brand new fle...slippery slope.
- For me (having the ZM distagon and the 40/1.2 nokton and no leica camera yet) next one I'd like to try is the LLL 11873, only worried about build quality long term and the colours being a bit "pus-y". But I'm being forced to get better with colour editing no matter what (unless I pay for frontier film scans for every shot) so just waiting a bit longer, maybe they'll fix the hood rattle (that I won't use anyway) and we'll find out about other issues. Because even that isn't all that cheap, compared to like voigtlander glass - which isn't exactly cheap either but build quality seems reliable.
This noctilux, possibly in a few years, maybe an m12 with ibis, hybrid viewfinder with good focussing aids, no issues, see if enough folks are sticking to it despite increased size or going back to the fle or other. Distagon background bokeh isn't perfect and at times can be quite annoying but the FLE bokeh rubs me more aggresively, at least out of the samples I've seen, though it's not every shot and otherwise it looks brilliant, apart from midzone dip (that I also get using the distagon with a pcx filter on sony and doesn't bother me too much). Seems to be a good size relatively speaking so understandable compromise even if those things aren't to taste either.
People are saying it's like the apo except in the corners but I'd love side-by-side comparisons too. You don't always get those easily, understandable considering the cost so it's lovely to see any at all. Not so bothered about the corners just curious about sharpness but you can always tone that down reasonably easily, just nice to have uniformity. Thanks for sharing the one with the summilux.
Feb 02, 2026 at 12:57 AM
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Difference with the FLE in the bokeh seems reasonably clear, is it going to be the same with the distagon ZM do you think, still smoother right - less double lines, softer and cleaner?
Sort of like a nokton 1.2 (maybe more the 40/50mm f1.2 than the 35...(?)) but more modern colours and possibly a bit more contrast?
Does seem very nice. I prefer a little bit longer instead of chunkier but it doesn't seem too big to cradle when holding and keep in a bag when not, which is what I do anyway and you get 1.2. Sort of like the build of the nikon 50/1.2 ais vs 1.4. I'd love to use the 1.4 because of the chunky 1.2 even though it's not long but the f2 performance on film with the 1.4.
Just that closeness with the aperture ring and focussing ring, annoying on my voigtlander 40/2 ultron slii-n (f mount) but that one is also smaller and maybe worse for that. Haven't used it enough to know if it's something you get used to, but I've certainly hit the wrong one by accident a lot so far.
£7,700 vs £5,240 for the fle. If okay buying a brand new fle...slippery slope.
- For me (having the ZM distagon and the 40/1.2 nokton and no leica camera yet) next one I'd like to try is the LLL 11873, only worried about build quality long term and the colours being a bit "pus-y". But I'm being forced to get better with colour editing no matter what (unless I pay for frontier film scans for every shot) so just waiting a bit longer, maybe they'll fix the hood rattle (that I won't use anyway) and we'll find out about other issues. Because even that isn't all that cheap, compared to like voigtlander glass - which isn't exactly cheap either but build quality seems reliable.
This noctilux, possibly in a few years, maybe an m12 with ibis, hybrid viewfinder with good focussing aids, no issues, see if enough folks are sticking to it despite increased size or going back to the fle or other. Distagon background bokeh isn't perfect and at times can be quite annoying but the FLE bokeh rubs me more aggresively, at least out of the samples I've seen, though it's not every shot and otherwise it looks brilliant, apart from midzone dip (that I also get using the distagon with a pcx filter on sony and doesn't bother me too much). Seems to be a good size relatively speaking so understandable compromise even if those things aren't to the taste either.
People are saying it's like the apo except in the corners but I'd love side-by-side comparisons too. You don't always get those easily, understandable considering the cost so it's lovely to see any at all. Not so bothered about the corners just curious about sharpness but you can always tone that down reasonably easily, just nice to have uniformity. Thanks for sharing the one with the summilux.
Feb 02, 2026 at 12:56 AM
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Difference with the FLE in the bokeh seems reasonably clear, is it going to be the same with the distagon ZM do you think, still smoother right - less double lines, softer and cleaner?
Sort of like a nokton 1.2 (maybe more the 40/50mm f1.2 than the 35...(?)) but more modern colours and possibly a bit more contrast?
Does seem very nice. I prefer a little bit longer instead of chunkier but it doesn't seem too big to cradle when holding and keep in a bag when not, which is what I do anyway and you get 1.2. Sort of like the build of the nikon 50/1.2 ais vs 1.4. I'd love to use the 1.4 because of the chunky 1.2 even though it's not long but the f2 performance on film with the 1.4.
Just that closeness with the aperture ring and focussing ring, annoying on my voigtlander 40/2 ultron slii-n (f mount) but that one is also smaller and maybe worse for that. Haven't used it enough to know if it's something you get used to, but I've certainly hit the wrong one by accident a lot so far.
£7,700 vs £5,240 for the fle. If okay buying a brand new fle...slippery slope.
- For me (having the ZM distagon and the 40/1.2 nokton and no leica camera yet) next one I'd like to try is the LLL 11873, only worried about build quality long term and the colours being a bit "pus-y". But I'm being forced to get better with colour editing no matter what (unless I pay for frontier film scans for every shot) so just waiting a bit longer, maybe they'll fix the hood rattle (that I won't use anyway) and we'll find out about other issues. Because even that isn't all that cheap, compared to like voigtlander glass - which isn't exactly cheap either but build quality seems reliable.
This noctilux, possibly in a few years, maybe an m12 with ibis, hybrid viewfinder with good focussing aids, no issues, see if enough folks are sticking to it despite increased size or going back to the fle or other. Distagon background bokeh isn't perfect but the FLE rubs me the wrong way more often, at least out of the samples I've seen, though it's not every shot and otherwise it looks brilliant, apart from midzone dip. Seems to be a good size relatively speaking so understandable compromise even if those things aren't to the taste either.
People are saying it's like the apo except in the corners but I'd love side-by-side comparisons too. You don't always get those easily, understandable considering the cost so it's lovely to see any at all. Not so bothered about the corners just curious about sharpness but you can always tone that down reasonably easily, just nice to have uniformity. Thanks for sharing the one with the summilux.
