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Don, maybe something like this? I do like it - more intimate I think.
Yes, that is it (I had slightly closer crop on the right) - beautiful! I guess I do not mind the toes (it adds interest to me) but one could always recolor the nails.
I just love those red tones in both the dress and the horse ... wow!
Don, maybe something like this? I do like it - more intimate I think.
#1 and this last posted shot are my picks, Lisa. The last shot looks far more comfortable (except for the toes ) and is typical of the type of pose the 'equine' girls love and ask for more than any other, so it's no surprise the young lady chose it as her favourite.
A trick to gain the attention of the horse is to bring along a few carrots or apples, give the horse an initial nibble and have your assistant (or anyone else) wave them in the air from the direct you want the horse to look. It will have the horse pricking it's ears but also raising it's head high to give that statuesque, long curved neck stance we strive for in equine shots. Use the treats sparingly so as not to bore the horse and give it a small nibble reward now and then to keep it interested. I've even used a small bucket of chaff in the past.
And if you don't mine me saying so, raise the horses withers a little by facing slightly uphill ( front hooves a little higher) to avoid the slope back look and again help gain the grand, noble look. This is also helped by shooting from a low position if the composition allows, giving a better indication of the horse's strength and dominant size.
Also, some will advice to limit the shine of a horses coat, which I completely disagree with. A shiny coat is an indication of a healthy horse and I always want that to show. To the contrary, a dull coat is the opposite. Look forward to seeing your next, as they call them around here, 'Horsey' shots.
Jay, a HUGE thanks for the tips on working with horses. I was that little girl that always wanted a horse, but we never lived in an area where I could have one. The irony is that we do now - we are on 7 acres up in the mountains in Arizona and could totally have horses here. Hmm....may have to consider that. I really hope I get the opportunity to do someone else with their horse. It was a lot of fun and something different! This girl is so sweet - she offered to teach my girls how to ride. I thought that was a very kind offer of her and we may just take her up on it. I know they'd love it!
The problem I had with #5 and still do with your new edit is the inconsistency with skin tones as well as sharpness of the defining edges.
If you look at her from the chest up, in what is pretty even light, she has 10 different skin tones. I get the look you are going for, but there is no reason you can't do 90% of it in camera with either OFC or some other kind of light modifier instead of doing all the dodging and burning you do in post.
As for the edge sharpness, her hand is in perfect focus and the edges are sharp all the way down to her jawline on her left side. On the right side, you've completely blurred her entire jawline all the way down her neck and it looks like that side of her face just grows out of her chest.
In addition, the left side of her face from her hair line down past her eye is normal. On her right side you can tell you did a lot of work removing something and the artifacts of whatever was done are still there.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Thank you guys. . Jim, I believe I have some in that location with a different shoulder stance. I will edit one up and add it.
If 7b is your edit - very nice.
monoatomic72 wrote:
The problem I had with #5 and still do with your new edit is the inconsistency with skin tones as well as sharpness of the defining edges.
If you look at her from the chest up, in what is pretty even light, she has 10 different skin tones. I get the look you are going for, but there is no reason you can't do 90% of it in camera with either OFC or some other kind of light modifier instead of doing all the dodging and burning you do in post.
No interest in using OCF for a shot like this. I use OCF very minimally and almost always prefer the look of natural light. I think the 10 different skin tones you are referring to are called shadows and highlights. monoatomic72 wrote:
As for the edge sharpness, her hand is in perfect focus and the edges are sharp all the way down to her jawline on her left side. On the right side, you've completely blurred her entire jawline all the way down her neck and it looks like that side of her face just grows out of her chest.
Nope, didn't blur anything. I never add 'blur' to a picture. This image was shot at F-1.6 to give it a softer quality. It was a purposeful decision. monoatomic72 wrote:
In addition, the left side of her face from her hair line down past her eye is normal. On her right side you can tell you did a lot of work removing something and the artifacts of whatever was done are still there.
Again, didn't remove anything there. What you are referring to are freckles. I left them alone since I've been accused of butchering freckles before as well.
Again, I'd LOVE to see a website of your work so I know that I'm dealing with someone who has a clue and not just some random internet person who likes to dole out CC. Why not link me up?
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
So since I've been told I butchered that laying down image, I taught myself a new skin editing technique. Do you prefer the original or this one?
Original edit on top, new on bottom...
There are obviously other subtle differences as they are completely new edits from one another, but I'm mainly interested in your thoughts on the skin.
Your work is wonderful and way beyond my output. I humbly would suggest that you consider the stance of the horse also in your composition. especially as you have mastered everything else in the images. Having the closer side of the horse's legs outboard of the further-side legs is usually more natural and balanced looking. I think it really adds to the "elegance" or statuesque. Most formal horse portraits are shot this way, also most statues.
If its not clear what I'm talking about, another way of stating it is for example:
If the left side of the horse faces the camera, then the left front foot should be in front of the right front foot and the left rear foot should be further behind the right rear foot. I hope that's clearer...
Awesome work, as always.
I totally get what you are saying Stuart - thank you! I hope I have the chance to shoot with a horse again. it was a lot of fun - a whole new learning curve for me.
Lisa, the hair color depth, detail and highlights are lost in the uncompromised edits and the final as well. It's an important aspect and I'd suggest to strive to stay that in for the final edit.
A Woman's Hair is her Crown and Glory.
And for this young lady we can only wish...to have a head of hair like that.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Okay, I'm totally lost on that one. Are we still talking about image #5? Trying to figure out where I butchered her hair now. lol
I didn't say you butchered the hair. I'm suggesting that in the edits you did not take into account the effects of the edits that took the depth of color out of her hair (red/warmth) and the contrast when focusing on the skin issues. (Which had maybe more texture than you would have wanted)
If you look at the before and after edits you will see the changes in her hair color depth and the details. In your final edit the hair is a bit more 'flat' where I think you had it "right' in prior edits, but perhaps did not reveal it as left alone due to the focus on the skin issues that were brought up. And some overall diagonal balance was lost as the hair aspect of the photo fades.
No biggie for me, its not my work. If it were and I evaluated this comment, I'd rethink the FTR part with a quiet maybe I see what you mean approach....YMMV.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
So since I've been told I butchered that laying down image, I taught myself a new skin editing technique. Do you prefer the original or this one?
Original edit on top, new on bottom...
There are obviously other subtle differences as they are completely new edits from one another, but I'm mainly interested in your thoughts on the skin.
) and is typical of the type of pose the 'equine' girls love and ask for more than any other, so it's no surprise the young lady chose it as her favourite. 
