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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.42 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kbarrera wrote:
I know I’m going to catch a lot of flack for this, but a lot of the photos that were recently posted on this thread, are not what I would call “ Super Sharp”

ps. I am one of those who pre-ordered this lens and spent a lot of time shooting with a Canon 600 mkII and a few 500’s V1’s

Al


Al,
I'd like to know if the deer pics that I posted appear sharp to you? It is really tough to stay within FM's resolution parameters and display a "sharp" image. I get the benefit of looking at my pictures on my monitor at full resolution and I get to pixel peep. The Piebald deer are sharp at the point of focus. Of course the tight portrait is showing super narrow depth of field, but look at the skin around the eye... that shot was barely cropped (lopped a bit of the right for the sake of a good composition). The second piebald deer seems super tack to me on the eye and head... I can see insects between hairs on the little guy. As for the buck... well look at the shutter speeds... despite the hint of movement, the eyes are both super sharp and these were taken at about 33 meters @ ISO 3200. I applied nik DeNoise because ISO 3200 is not very pretty on the D500.
Finally... how is it that my doe is not sharp to you... or maybe it is.. One final point... if you want to see a 100% crop of a shot I can post it... I just think that jpg compression and high ISO just steals sharpness... especially in fur because it is not nearly as edgy as feather barbs.

I'd love the feedback.
I will tell you that I am getting sharper images out this lens than I have with my 300mm PF and 200-400VR. I have shot this subject and the one I shot today with both of my other lenses, and this one just beats all of my other optics.

bruce

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Sep 23, 2018 at 09:27 AM
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p.42 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Considering that many of the shots posted so far are from the very first outings "got the lens and ran right out with it" type, I'm satisfied enough that the lens will be super sharp once a little time has been put in with it. I'd be more worried if none of the photos were sharp, but we've seen a number that show its true potential.

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Sep 23, 2018 at 09:35 AM
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p.42 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Images posted so far look no worse than what I get with my 200-500 so the PF appears to pass the "sharp enough" test. That the apparently dysfunctional VR doesn't bother folks strikes me as crazy, given that ~1/100 is a standard dawn/dusk shutter speed, particularly @ f/5.6. Then again, I realize that someone shooting in low light wouldn't buy a f/5.6 lens in the first place, so perhaps the limited utility of the VR is a weakness that really doesn't matter to the casual shooter.


Sep 23, 2018 at 09:51 AM
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p.42 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I take the whole VR thing with a grain of salt. Nikon specifically states in describing VR "providing the equivalent of shooting at shutter speeds up to 4.5 stops* faster" The key is "up to". It doesn't say "always". I certainly don't think my D5 is broken because the images look like crap when shooting at the stated spec of ISO 102400. Every device ever made has strengths and weaknesses. The key as the photographer is to learn to maximize the former while minimizing the latter.

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Sep 23, 2018 at 10:00 AM
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p.42 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


To my eye the images look clean and crisp, such as is fitting of a high end prime lens.

About 1/100s. People used to use such shutter speeds with the lens on tripod, with careful technique. It was necessary because film was ISO 25-100. It didn't result in as sharp results as you can get at 1/500s or 1/1000s then and it doesn't do that today. Pixels are small and subject breathing, heart beat, wind etc. mean you commonly get some blur at those speeds even if you didn't have shutter vibration, which you do have unless using electronic shutter.

When photographing living subjects, I prefer to have shutter speeds at least 1/200s, more commonly 1/500s or 1/1000s. 1/50s or 1/100s is a crap shoot; although some are able to achieve results with controlled, beautiful amount of blur, I could never master that. So I use fast shutter speeds. I prefer a sharp subject in a blurry background rather than a blurry subject. Time and experience has taught me that sharpness tends to increase as shutter speed goes up, and this is certainly true when photographing living subjects.

So to me the first choice when photographing subjects in dim light is a fast lens. The 500/5.6 is not fast but it is just one stop behind, and apparently gives high sharpness at full aperture.That is not so bad.

If it is necessary to use a slow speed, I set my expectations low and use a tripod to make the best out of a bad situation. I shoot in low light a lot, and use of a tripod gives a big image quality advantage, in general, specifically when using a long lens, and especially when light is low. Having to use a tripod in low light is no big deal to me; I am used to it and expect it.

Christian H wrote:
Images posted so far look no worse than what I get with my 200-500 so the PF appears to pass the "sharp enough" test. That the apparently dysfunctional VR doesn't bother folks strikes me as crazy, given that ~1/100 is a standard dawn/dusk shutter speed, particularly @ f/5.6. Then again, I realize that someone shooting in low light wouldn't buy a f/5.6 lens in the first place, so perhaps the limited utility of the VR is a weakness that really doesn't matter to the casual shooter.




Sep 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM
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p.42 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Christian H wrote:
Images posted so far look no worse than what I get with my 200-500 so the PF appears to pass the "sharp enough" test. That the apparently dysfunctional VR doesn't bother folks strikes me as crazy, given that ~1/100 is a standard dawn/dusk shutter speed, particularly @ f/5.6. Then again, I realize that someone shooting in low light wouldn't buy a f/5.6 lens in the first place, so perhaps the limited utility of the VR is a weakness that really doesn't matter to the casual shooter.


Christian,
I think for some the low light VR woes are a real problem, while for others it's a "meh" issue. In my case, I almost never shoot handheld. I like to work with my tripod (like, as in actually enjoy) and rarely think about shooting handheld unless I am in a situation where it is that or nothing.

90% of my decision to go the 500mm PF was economic... while the size reduction is a bonus, mine was more about available choices. As I stated a few years back when I bought the 200-500VR, I would have gladly paid a $1000 or more for the same lens with weather sealing, pro AF, and a better hood design. At $1400, the lens is a bargain, a gateway drug into Nikon, and good enough for most photographers. There is more than enough resolution throughout the range to produce huge prints and get work published. I, however, wanted a lens that could handle my style of shooting... rain, snow, frigid, and humid conditions. Our 200-500 has become my wife's darling, and she does not shoot enough in the ugly weather for it to become a problem.

With the 200-400VR in my bag, my options were a 500mm f4G or Sigma 500mm f4OS. Both of these lenses are as large as the 200-400, and the starting price was $4000 for a Ex (or worse condition) used lens. If the 500mmPF was not sharper than my 200-400mm lens at f/4, I would have returned the lens and dealt with a used 500mm f/4G. Fortunately, the 500mmPF allows me to get the focal length I wanted with only a stop of light sacrifice. The lens offers me the pro AF, pro weather sealing, sharp optics, and better lens hood in a new condition with a 5 year warranty for for less than a used 500mm f/4G... VR or no VR, the lens meets a niche that I wanted to fill at a price that I can afford.

I think if I owned a 500mm f/4G or 500mm f/4FLE, I too would have absolutely no interest in the lens. It is a lot of money for a redundant optic, especially if you also own a 200-500VR. Rather than this PF, the 300mmPF would be the perfect partner for a 500mm f4. So, in my mind, it makes a lot of sense that you are not as excited about the 500PF as others are.

cheers,
bruce



Sep 23, 2018 at 11:19 AM
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p.42 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Al,
I'd like to know if the deer pics that I posted appear sharp to you? It is really tough to stay within FM's resolution parameters and display a "sharp" image. I get the benefit of looking at my pictures on my monitor at full resolution and I get to pixel peep. The Piebald deer are sharp at the point of focus. Of course the tight portrait is showing super narrow depth of field, but look at the skin around the eye... that shot was barely cropped (lopped a bit of the right for the sake of a good composition). The
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Bruce
Personally I think this thread is getting a little derailed. It looks to me like things are getting a bit over analyzed. I’m not one to engage in technical points on Forums. All I know is.....I bought this lens and I’m expecting it to do exactly what I need for it to do. I shoot a lot of BIF and have no doubt based on the professionals that reviewed it and their results that I won’t be disappointed.
When I first got my 600 mkII I had spent a lot of time previously shooting with a 500v1. It took two years before I got the results that I was happy with.
I’m one of those believers that the ultimate results depends on the user. I meant no disrespect, but I don’t think I’m not the one who should critique your images. There are guys like Geoff, or Arash or even Tony Markle who are better qualified.
I do know one thing. No matter what......if I’m hand holding a 500 or better, I better have some damn good technique to get what could be called “super sharp”. This will be my last comment on the subject. Thank you for the respectful retort and I know that ultimately you’ll see some great results with this lens.
Regards
Al



Sep 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM
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p.42 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kbarrera wrote:
Bruce
Personally I think this thread is getting a little derailed. It looks to me like things are getting a bit over analyzed. I’m not one to engage in technical points on Forums. All I know is.....I bought this lens and I’m expecting it to do exactly what I need for it to do. I shoot a lot of BIF and have no doubt based on the professionals that reviewed it and their results that I won’t be disappointed.
When I first got my 600 mkII I had spent a lot of time previously shooting with a 500v1. It took two
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Al,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope you know that I did not take offense by the statement you made. Many images posted on threads like these are superb, some are average, and others are below that standard. My question about the pics I posted was purely out of curiosity. We all have our own standard for what is sharp. For me, content, composition, and mood are more important than overall sharpness. I like a dark moody image with implied mystery over portraiture and natural history-style images. As such, I often soften pics with a glow or orton effect instead of sharpen them
My question about my pictures were more related to how I chose to process them for web output. I have been going with smaller pictures (1200px on landscapes and 800px for verticals all @72dpi) and I can't tell if they have enough resolution for those viewing them on their devices... The pictures I posted look sharpe to me on my monitors, but could look like crap to others... this was I asked the follow-up.

As for the thread... well these tend to become a rambling wreck as people dig their trenches and defend their purchases. Needless to say, I am excited by the 500mm PF... it is better than I expected, but it is a $3600 (US) lens, not an $11,000 lens. My expectations are with this reality in mind.

I think that anyone looking for a smaller alternative to a 500mm f/4 will find the lens refreshing.

thanks for your thoughtful response,
bruce

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Sep 23, 2018 at 11:53 AM
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p.42 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Al,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope you know that I took offense by the statement you made. Many images posted on threads like these are superb, some are average, and others are below that standard. My question about the pics I posted was purely out of curiosity. We all have our own standard for what is sharp. For me, content, composition, and mood are more important than overall sharpness. I like a dark moody image with implied mystery over portraiture and natural history-style images. As such, I often soften pics with a glow or orton effect instead
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Understood

Al





Sep 23, 2018 at 12:17 PM
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p.42 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kbarrera wrote:
Understood

Al



Wow... I need to pre-read what I write!... I just edited my statement, as it should have said "I hope you know that I did NOT take offense from your statement... "

My skin is not that thin Al... apologies for the miscommunication.

bruce



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p.42 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Bruce, I think your deer images are extremely sharp! Thank you for posting and if you get more images today, pIease post them.

I also think you can now say you do own one of Nikon's sharpest lenses. As far as VR goes, I think photographers will adapt to the lens. Your images enforce my decision to have one on order, I just wish it would come in.

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Sep 23, 2018 at 12:35 PM
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p.42 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


My initial impressions are very positive

AF is very snappy even with the TC14-E III attached to my D5 body. Significantly faster than the bare 200-500 zoom. It seems to have a much faster servo motor that are driving much lighter elements. The AF snaps to lock just like a f/4 super-telephoto lens.

The sharpness with TC under controlled conditions is excellent. Again significantly better than the 200-500 which IMO performs poorly with the TC attached.




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p.42 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Wow... I need to pre-read what I write!... I just edited my statement, as it should have said "I hope you know that I did NOT take offense from your statement... "

My skin is not that thin Al... apologies for the miscommunication.

bruce


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p.42 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


speedmaster20d wrote:
My initial impressions are very positive

AF is very snappy even with the TC14-E III attached to my D5 body. Significantly faster than the bare 200-500 zoom. It seems to have a much faster servo motor that are driving much lighter elements. The AF snaps to lock just like a f/4 super-telephoto lens.

The sharpness with TC under controlled conditions is excellent. Again significantly better than the 200-500 which IMO performs poorly with the TC attached.


Thanks Arash
It’s about time you chimed in. Thanks for the input


Al



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Sep 23, 2018 at 01:02 PM
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p.42 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I have to confess, I've been posting sub-par images to dissuade purchases so Arbitrage can get a 500PF quicker. Though today I did MFA on the 300+1.7TCii and can understand why some might consider the 300PF and the excellent Nikkor TCs over the 500PF.


Sep 23, 2018 at 02:10 PM
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p.42 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Have any of my Canadian brothers and sisters heard anything regarding their lens orders yet?


Sep 23, 2018 at 02:21 PM
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p.42 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


xGumbyx wrote:
Have any of my Canadian brothers and sisters heard anything regarding their lens orders yet?


I've heard there were 10 lenses for all of Canada...so basically that means if you weren't NPS you didn't get one....I have yet to hear when they are expecting a second shipment but hopefully they will have ordered enough this time to match the orders that are placed. It was a Nikon Canada screw up and not the stores themselves as far as I can tell from what little intel I've gathered.
Basically Nikon Canada didn't know the price point so didn't want to order too many if it was going to be a high price. Now that demand is established hopefully Nikon Canada has pleaded with Nikon to get a much larger second shipment...but that last bit is all speculation on my part.



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p.42 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A few more images from this morning. Want to get out and shoot more but also need to watch my house here in Myrtle Beach because of potential flooding. I think we are ok but still have to do short outings.


D500, 500PF,Iso 3200, 1/50, f5.6


D500, 500PF,ISO 800, 1/5000, f5.6


D500, 500PF, x1.4e-III, f8



Sep 23, 2018 at 02:32 PM
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p.42 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Love the second one.

The first one looks a bit blurry to me (1/50s might be pushing the VR too much if it was handheld).

Perhaps that's why I am a little bit afraid of an f5.6 aperture lens. It would give me quite a slow shutter time and/or uncomfortably high ISO on my D500 in a majority of my preferred shooting situations. I know how I sometimes struggle to freeze action even with my 300mm f/2.8 or 200mm f/2.



Sep 23, 2018 at 02:56 PM
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p.42 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A question for those who already have the lens: how is the manual focus on this lens, is it mechanical or some kind of "control by wire" and does it allow fast and accurate manual focus?

I'm interested in this for situations where AF doesn't work and I still need to adjust focus quickly.



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