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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.43 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Christian,
I think for some the low light VR woes are a real problem, while for others it's a "meh" issue. In my case, I almost never shoot handheld. I like to work with my tripod (like, as in actually enjoy) and rarely think about shooting handheld unless I am in a situation where it is that or nothing.

90% of my decision to go the 500mm PF was economic... while the size reduction is a bonus, mine was more about available choices. As I stated a few years back when I bought the 200-500VR, I would have gladly paid a $1000
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Bruce, that is my combo exactly...my normal wildlife setup is to have one body strapped to my 300pf (my favorite lens), with the other body attached to my 500e fl. I will probably try the 500pf at some point, but the lens I was personally really hoping for was a 600pf 5.6. That I would have bought for sure. The 500pf for me doesn't do much that I already can't do. The other lens I'd really like to see is a higher quality 100-400/80-400 than is currently offered by tamron, sigma or nikon. I have the tamron and it is really good for the money, but there are times when I need a zoom shorter than 500mm and there really isn't a great one on the market that you can take on trips.





Sep 23, 2018 at 03:13 PM
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p.43 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


ffstory wrote:
Love the second one.

The first one looks a bit blurry to me (1/50s might be pushing the VR too much if it was handheld).

Perhaps that's why I am a little bit afraid of an f5.6 aperture lens. It would give me quite a slow shutter time and/or uncomfortably high ISO on my D500 in a majority of my preferred shooting situations. I know how I sometimes struggle to freeze action even with my 300mm f/2.8 or 200mm f/2.


Yes hand held at 1/50 which is why I posted it, sorry I should have said that,all were hand held. Some slight blur but really 1/50 so I'm good with it!

I got the lens to handhold. If I want to bring a tripod around and add weight I would use my 600vr but this is not too shabby in my opinion.




Sep 23, 2018 at 03:23 PM
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p.43 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A few more from me as well... more mammals (my preferred subject). All shot at the beaver pond in low light to see how the lens responds to movement in the shadows.

@dhargus... thanks for the feedback!

@Technic... the lens is not focus by wire. It is Nikon's normal AF/MF system which is much like Canon implements in their lenses. You can set it to AF priority A/M, manual priority M/A, or just M. I have not shot it using manual focus, as that is a last resort for shooting through vegetation.

@George DeCamp... that last series was very nice. I really like the GBH.. the egret is sweet as well.

Final point... I think I'm done shooting this lens in a test fashion. I personally like and will use it when I think I need it.
Best of luck to those waiting for the lens... it will be a worthy tool to add to your respective kits.

cheers,
bruce



















Sep 23, 2018 at 03:45 PM
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p.43 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kbarrera wrote:
Anyone have any updated intel regarding arrivals at B&H? I was told October 15 for second wave of pre-orders.

Al


Hi Al

I pre-ordered too.

Talked to a young lady at B&H about 3 days ago. She told me that they were expecting a shipment in November.

I thought to myself....Really?

Anyway, no problem, as I do not believe I will let go of my 200-500 zoom, regardless of how good I feel the 500PF turns out for me after testing.

Robert



Sep 23, 2018 at 05:29 PM
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p.43 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
A few more from me as well... more mammals (my preferred subject). All shot at the beaver pond in low light to see how the lens responds to movement in the shadows.

@dhargus... thanks for the feedback!

@Technic... the lens is not focus by wire. It is Nikon's normal AF/MF system which is much like Canon implements in their lenses. You can set it to AF priority A/M, manual priority M/A, or just M. I have not shot it using manual focus, as that is a last resort for shooting through vegetation.

@George DeCamp@... that last series was very nice. I
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I really like the 3rd shot a lot. It shows behavior....some beaver life history. These guys are so abused. Where I do my loon work Bruce, they are trapped just after they arrive (dispersal...I know you know). It is so sad.

It does my heart good to see images of beavers doing what they do..

Apparently you are in a good place for them. Would love to see more of your images of beavers at work. Thank you.



Sep 23, 2018 at 05:38 PM
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p.43 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


technic wrote:
A question for those who already have the lens: how is the manual focus on this lens, is it mechanical or some kind of "control by wire" and does it allow fast and accurate manual focus?

I'm interested in this for situations where AF doesn't work and I still need to adjust focus quickly.


There is a good amount of resistance on focus ring. From MFD to infinity, you will need to rotate
the ring about 180 degree. I think it feels about the same as my 500/4e FL but 500/4e FL has a bit less resistantce.
but does not feel quite as nice as Zeiss Otus or Milvus line for example. However, I don't really have super tele primes by other brands to compare though.




Sep 23, 2018 at 05:56 PM
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p.43 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


bs kite wrote:
Hi Al

I pre-ordered too.

Talked to a young lady at B&H about 3 days ago. She told me that they were expecting a shipment in November.

I thought to myself....Really?

Anyway, no problem, as I do not believe I will let go of my 200-500 zoom, regardless of how good I feel the 500PF turns out for me after testing.

Robert

Robert
Spoke to them today
November 15 to be exact. This time I asked her to check my order date to make sure that I would be getting it when they said. I reminded her that two weeks ago they told me October 15. Of course she apologized for the inconvenience.
Personally I can wait. It’s a lens not a new kidney. It’s just that I promised a friend my 200-500 when mine arrived.
Al



Sep 23, 2018 at 05:56 PM
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p.43 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
I think if I owned a 500mm f/4G or 500mm f/4FLE, I too would have absolutely no interest in the lens. It is a lot of money for a redundant optic, especially if you also own a 200-500VR. Rather than this PF, the 300mmPF would be the perfect partner for a 500mm f4. So, in my mind, it makes a lot of sense that you are not as excited about the 500PF as others are.

cheers,
bruce


I have 500/4e FL and initially, I decided that I would not bother with 500 PF at all. However, as much as I like 500/4e FL and would try to use it as much as possible, there are time when I really could use 500mm but there is no way that I could bring 500/e4 FL. I often go scuba diving where there are a lot of seabirds and other animals above water. However, with about 40kg of dive gear, underwater camera set up, there is really no more room for another big lens unfortunately. Even 200-500 is a bit too big and inconvenient to take. Beside, I don't like 200-500 very much. So 500PF seems to meet my need exactly. After saying that, when Nikon release 600PF, I probably woudl see 500PF and go for 600PF though unless 600PF turns out to be a 3kg lens or something like that.
When I go for my next safari trip, it definitely will be my 500/4e FL. The one extra stop definitely is helpful with early morning and twilight period for sure.

PS, I tested my 500PF with lensalign yesterday and it was spot on and did not need and fine tune.
Surprising, with TC14e, there was also no need for fine tune. Generally with my TC14e, I need quite a bit of fine tune on all my lenses including 500/4e FL. However, it was raining all day yesterday so I had to check it in door a distance of about 5-6m, will need to check it at longer distance as well.

PSS if my picture is not sharp enough, definitely it is never the lens' fault. I am one of those with more GAS than skill unfortunately

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Sep 23, 2018 at 06:06 PM
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p.43 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
I think if I owned a 500mm f/4G or 500mm f/4FLE, I too would have absolutely no interest in the lens. It is a lot of money for a redundant optic, especially if you also own a 200-500VR. Rather than this PF, the 300mmPF would be the perfect partner for a 500mm f4. So, in my mind, it makes a lot of sense that you are not as excited about the 500PF as others are.


My current Nikon lens lineup is 500E, 300PF and 200-500 (with all 3 TCs)....therefore I do agree that the 500PF is giving me a headache as where it could fit in because certainly something else has to go if I do get the 500PF. This is why I'm struggling with wether to go through with my purchase or not....I'm pretty happy with the current three lenses. I could see ridding myself of all of them in one way or the other....but then each has its own purpose even when viewed beside a 500PF: the 500E gives me one extra stop of light at every focal length and I can shoot it even at 1000mm and 850mm works great. The 200-500 is my only zoom and it is hard to give up a zoom (also hard to justify selling it as it doesn't net me much $$). Then the 300PF is still just such a wonderful lens to use and is my favourite lens of all time....however, if the 500PF gives me the same feeling of mobility, agility and the ability to hold it up to my eye for many mins and watch a situation unfold then maybe it will be the 300PF that gets sold first?



Sep 23, 2018 at 06:35 PM
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p.43 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Suteetat ' more GAS than skill unfortunately' you just described many many a photographer, including me.
My attitude toward 500PF is that it is my only choice. Even my 400DOii is hurting my arms these days. For the older/shaky photographer it is a tool to keep us trying and off the couch.



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p.43 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I just tried A7r iii/Commlite adapter quickly with 500PF.
I would not bother with this combination yet. AF is erratic.
Indoor setting, AF could not lock on anything.
Outdoor, it seems to have more problem at near infinity and 10m or less.
At about 30-100m distance, it is quite decent sometimes. Often I would need to nudge
it a bit with MF first.
All in all, at the moment, I am sure Z7 will work better with 500PF than A7r iii/Commlite.
No idea about A9 though but I assume that it would be better. 300PF kind of work on A7r iii but not well enough that I would bother but I heard that A9 works quite well. In any case, A7r iii with 500PF is significantly worse than A7r iii with 300PF.



Sep 23, 2018 at 07:25 PM
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bs kite wrote:
I really like the 3rd shot a lot. It shows behavior....some beaver life history. These guys are so abused. Where I do my loon work Bruce, they are trapped just after they arrive (dispersal...I know you know). It is so sad.

It does my heart good to see images of beavers doing what they do..

Apparently you are in a good place for them. Would love to see more of your images of beavers at work. Thank you.


Thanks for the thoughtful comment Robert. MN is loaded with lakes and wetlands, so the beaver population is quite robust. We have a strong environmental ethic here, but that does not mean that the little engineers are safe from trappers. Most people see beavers as being a destructive pest, but they are very important for restoring biodiversity to mid to late successional forests. The dams they build flood forests that need to be set back in time (successionally). Their work does everything from creating pothole wetlands that serve as waterfowl habitat, to building up a rich humus soil that promotes everything from ephemeral forest wildflowers to nesting habitats for migratory birds.

I have more beaver pictures than you could imagine, as like the loons near you, beaver habitat surrounds my own. As such, they are my muse when there is nothing else to photograph. If you are really interested in seeing more work, check out the current issue of Nature Photographer Magazine (summer / early autumn edition). They published my article called "A Key to Biodiversity." In addition to photos, the article is about how beavers are a keystone species for mid-successional forests. If you are not familiar with Nature Photographer, they publish a large magazine three times a year. Their editors live in your fair state, in what I believe is called "Down East" near Lubec.

cheers,
bruce



Sep 23, 2018 at 07:57 PM
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p.43 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


suteetat wrote:
I have 500/4e FL and initially, I decided that I would not bother with 500 PF at all. However, as much as I like 500/4e FL and would try to use it as much as possible, there are time when I really could use 500mm but there is no way that I could bring 500/e4 FL. I often go scuba diving where there are a lot of seabirds and other animals above water. However, with about 40kg of dive gear, underwater camera set up, there is really no more room for another big lens unfortunately. Even 200-500 is a bit
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Boy do I get your last point!... When people were bashing the 200-400mm f4, all I could think was... "I'm not worthy of the lens," and any issues I have with making good photos are on me and not on the gear.
I did not mean to imply that there is not a place for both 500's in one's kit, but I certainly could understand why one might think twice before shelling out another $4000 for a focal length they already possess. On the other hand, if the money is there and it serves a need/desire, then there is nothing wrong with owning two or three 500mm lenses. As for the 600PF, I know that this is a desirable thing for many... it is just not a focal length that I have ever needed, as I am already at "750mm" when using my D500.

arbitrage wrote:
My current Nikon lens lineup is 500E, 300PF and 200-500 (with all 3 TCs)....therefore I do agree that the 500PF is giving me a headache as where it could fit in because certainly something else has to go if I do get the 500PF. This is why I'm struggling with wether to go through with my purchase or not....I'm pretty happy with the current three lenses. I could see ridding myself of all of them in one way or the other....but then each has its own purpose even when viewed beside a 500PF: the 500E gives me one extra stop
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Geoff,
I think that you will really like the 500PF because it is just like the 300PF, but faster and sharper when shot wide-open. In some ways it is a lot like the Canon 400mm DO, but in a smaller package. I owned the DO v1 for a while but opted for the 300mm f2.8IS to gain the flexibility of speed and high performance with a 1.4x. The 400mm DOvII was introduced as I made my transition to Nikon to get the 200-400, but had I stayed with Canon, the 400mm DOvII would have been my telephoto of choice. I think that the 500mm PF is that lens in a Nikon mount.... As for your dilemma... it is shared by many of us, as I am wishing for a smaller and lighter alternative to my 200-400mm f/4, but I have yet to square that circle

Keep us posted on what you ultimately decide.
regards,
bruce



Sep 23, 2018 at 08:12 PM
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p.43 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


suteetat wrote:
I just tried A7r iii/Commlite adapter quickly with 500PF.
I would not bother with this combination yet. AF is erratic.
Indoor setting, AF could not lock on anything.
Outdoor, it seems to have more problem at near infinity and 10m or less.
At about 30-100m distance, it is quite decent sometimes. Often I would need to nudge
it a bit with MF first.
All in all, at the moment, I am sure Z7 will work better with 500PF than A7r iii/Commlite.
No idea about A9 though but I assume that it would be better. 300PF kind of work on A7r iii but not well enough
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Both Robert (MM) and Alex Phan have said the 500PF doesn't AF at all (or very poorly) on the A9 with Commlite. Maybe after the next Commlite FW update it will work....I have a Commlite coming in the mail as I want to see how it does with the 300PF and my other Nikon lenses. Today I left all Nikon gear at home and went out with A9, 100-400GM and 400DOII....after that session I considered selling all the Nikon stuff....................if the 300PF and 500E work well on the A9 I may just sell off my Nikon bodies like I did my Canon bodies but I don't think the A9/Commlite/Nikon lenses will be quite there yet to take the place of a D850.



Sep 23, 2018 at 09:20 PM
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Yes sir it is true. a9+Commlite+300PF (with or without 1.4TCiii) is a dream.
a9+Commlite+500PF is a fail.
According to Alex Commlite is working on a big update.

Geoff have you done the latest MC-11 AND a9 update?
I'm holding back on the a9 update, can't be too hasty with that.
I need to pop the a9+MC-11+400DOii together for next weeks outing where I'm
hoping to BIF on the coast.



Sep 23, 2018 at 11:34 PM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Yes sir it is true. a9+Commlite+300PF (with or without 1.4TCiii) is a dream.
a9+Commlite+500PF is a fail.
According to Alex Commlite is working on a big update.


How about this new Nikon PF500/5.6 on the coming super high end Sony APSC body? With the Nikon 1.4TCIII, that would make pretty much a dream portable birding set-up with enough reach. Provided of course that the "mini A9" will work with the Nikon lens+1.4tc. It is encouraging to read that the A9 works with the Nikon 300PF, it seems a matter of the right Comlite firmware update then.
I am about to switch from Pentax, and would rather have a mirrorless body than a conventional DSLR.

Chris



Sep 24, 2018 at 05:17 AM
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p.43 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Chris I just added a D500 for a 'cropper' just in case the mini-a9 doesn't come. Honestly I hadn't thought of the mini-a9+500PF; that would be the zugspitze!


Sep 24, 2018 at 05:28 AM
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p.43 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Well, look like I can't sell my 500/4e FL just yet

test 500 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

100% from the center of 500/4e FL vs 500PF. Both at F5.6, on tripod, delay shuttle release. Live view focus for both. Distance was 100 odd meters.
The good news is that both has the same T stop or at least close enough that on A mode, same iso, aperture, the metering in the camera chose the same shutterspeed

Left is 500/4e FL, right 500PF



Sep 24, 2018 at 05:45 AM
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p.43 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


^100 meters! Wow that is a football field's distance here. I know the 500/4 is better but I'm still good with the PF. My back and knees are even better. Add a pinch of contrast in post and the margin might narrow a bit.


Sep 24, 2018 at 06:06 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
^100 meters! Wow that is a football field's distance here. I know the 500/4 is better but I'm still good with the PF. My back and knees are even better. Add a pinch of contrast in post and the margin might narrow a bit.


I think if you are not pixel peeping, the difference will not be all that significant. Looking at it on my monitor at 25%, I doubt I can pick out the difference readily. I am very please with 500PF performance and its weight and size is a major plus. I had several trips already where I could really use 500mm but 500/4 was just not practical to bring along. So with the PF in the arsenal, I won't miss those opportunities again. Of course there are still time when F4 is useful and when I can use it, 500/4 is still preferred



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