realVivek wrote:
Two reasons: Canon EOS R and Nikon Z6/7. Demand has cooled. Almost all CV lenses in FE mount are readily available without the need for a preorder and waiting in line.
They shouldn’t have delayed its release, IMO.
Nikon's FTZ adapter also makes most/all F-mount lenses work well on the Z-bodies. Same for Canon EF to EF-R adapters.
realVivek wrote:
Two reasons: Canon EOS R and Nikon Z6/7. Demand has cooled. Almost all CV lenses in FE mount are readily available without the need for a preorder and waiting in line.
They shouldn’t have delayed its release, IMO.
I don't know if I buy that argument. There sure has been a ton of excitement about the Sony GM 24 f/1.4 and that was also released about the time of the Nikon Z and the Canon R cameras.
realVivek wrote:
Apples vs oranges. CV makes manual focus lenses.
Sony- fully compatible system lenses.
It would be interesting to see how well the CV 110/2.5 would work with system flashes for macros.
All the other CV and Zeiss Loxia lenses (Loxia lenses are made by Cosina as well and function much the same) work fine with system flashes. I expect that will be a non-issue. Up to this point on FM manual focus lenses have had a very solid following on the Sony board, but perhaps that is changing and a greater number of people want AF lenses. One thing unique about Sony ecosystem is that some third party lenses (e.g., Zeiss and Cosina) seem to be given full access to everything Sony knows about the mount and the AF system. So the distinction between system lenses and non-system lenses is not as stark as it is with Canon and Nikon who do not share all of their knowledge with third party lens developers.
I think much of a "lack of enthusiasm" is due to nearly running on empty at this time of year, and having so many other excellent options for our Sony systems. Plus, how many of us want... er... um... need two macros?
Some time ago, I had the 100 F2 MP, and let it go due to the CA wide open, but it was still excellent, and was missed.
When I was looking for a substitute, I considered rebuying it as well as considering a Leica 100 F2.8, Sony 90mm GM, and the CV 125.
Nearly pulled the trigger on each of them at one point. The draw to a particular lens or FL is often personal as much as it is technical.
Steve, There are some corrections needed to your assertions. Check Fred’s first post. CV lenses made for the FE mount have a distance coder unlike the Zeiss Loxiae.
The differences have become stark since the introduction of the 5 axis sensor staibilisation.
Anyone knows how CV lenses could get FW updates? Or, there are no possibilities for that.
The Voigtländer supports 5-axis IBIS. I quote, "Furthermore, the lens is installed with a distance encoder to enable support for 5-axis image stabilization on bodies with this feature, by providing distance to subject information used to compensate for camera shake. Focus peaking while manual focusing is also supported." From http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/english/e-e-mount/e-110.html
I suppose the distance encoder also relays the distance information to the flash system. The Voigtländer FE lenses must be among the few MF lenses in any camera system that realy distance information to the camera. Kudos to Sony and Voigtländer.
Sony's license policy is an advantage for end users, since third parties can make lenses that are fully compatible. Nikon and Canon share no info about their new mirrorless mounts, which is a really good reason to stay with Sony.
Having a robust choice of excellent lenses shouldn't cause someone to think any one of these choices is unpopular or bad just because not everyone absolutely agrees that it's the best choice. All these lenses have pros and cons, it's just that they've become so good, it's hard to focus on cons to eliminate them from choice.
I guess what I'm saying is that not everyone has to agree that this is absolutely the best lens period and it's unsuccessful if they don't.
Remember when we had so few choices on native lenses (AF and MF.) Things have really changed over the last few years.
Took a few snaps with my copy this morning - poor early morning light - but I can say just by looking in the viewfinder at 100% mag while focusing:'
- It's sharp from edge to edge (not sure about the corners) right at wide open
- Just like my other CV's nailing infinity focus is very fiddly - i.e., it doesn't take much to nudge it out of perfect focus
- The weight distribution, though it is front heavy, is just fine on my A7RIII
- Auto focus magnification worked great right out of the box
- I like the aperture ring near the mount - far less chance of accidentally changing it compared to the lenses that have it up at the front end (though the front end aperture ring is easier to change aperture with, so a double-edge sword as they say)
Will try to get it out later today, tonight, and tomorrow morning to check out the corners to check for centering. The sun might not show here in Seattle for another couple of months, so flare and ghosting test (which look perfectly OK from Fred's images) will have to wait.
realVivek wrote:
Steve, There are some corrections needed to your assertions. Check Fred’s first post. CV lenses made for the FE mount have a distance coder unlike the Zeiss Loxiae.
The differences have become stark since the introduction of the 5 axis sensor staibilisation.
Anyone knows how CV lenses could get FW updates? Or, there are no possibilities for that.
CV may need make a dock available. Probably why companies like Sigma and Samyang are using docks. Sony doesn't support third party lens firmware upgrade through the camera body
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pdmphoto wrote:
CV may need make a dock available. Probably why companies like Sigma and Samyang are using docks. Sony doesn't support third party lens firmware upgrade through the camera body
I don't think we know if Sony supports third party lens firmware upgrades through the camera body. Recent announcement from Zeiss about the Batis 40 suggests they might.
pdmphoto wrote:
CV may need make a dock available. Probably why companies like Sigma and Samyang are using docks. Sony doesn't support third party lens firmware upgrade through the camera body
It sure can be updated via camera body. The lens must support it of course. Tamron updated the 28-75mm via body no issue.
Steve Spencer wrote:
Perhaps no need for the CV in this scenario, but if it was me I would be replacing he Sony G 90 f/2.8 with the CV 110 and getting a lens that does macro just as well and does other things a bit better making it a more versatile lens. Then you could save the GM 85 for those situations in which you are just focussed on doing portraiture. For me there are times I would want to do a bit of macro and a bit of portraiture (for example out on a hike with friends) and I definitely wouldn't want to carry the G 90 Macro and the GM 85 in those situations. Having the CV 110 would just be much preferred, for me anyway....Show more →
Take the 85GM with a Marumi Achromat. Much better for such situations. And without sunstars and octagon bokeh.
sebbe wrote:
Take the 85GM with a Marumi Achromat. Much better for such situations. And without sunstars and octagon bokeh.
Even adding the strongest Marumi (5+), only gets you to ~1:2 macro with the 85/1.4GM. I've found that center quality is excellent with any Marumi (or Canon) achromat close-up filter but mid and edge deteriorates and in some cases to unusable levels depending on the strength. It could definitely be used for causal macro but for anything serious where IQ and CA control are paramount, there is nothing better than the CV 65/2 and CV 110/2.5 APO lenses.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Even adding the strongest Marumi (5+), only gets you to ~1:2 macro with the 85/1.4GM. I've found that center quality is excellent with any Marumi (or Canon) achromat close-up filter but the mid and corners deteriorates in some cases to unusable levels depending on the strength. It could definitely be used for causal macro but for anything serious where IQ and CA control are paramount, there is nothing better than the CV 65/2 and CV 110/2.5 APO lenses.
Fred, I was pointing at Steves sentence "For me there are times I would want to do a bit of macro and a bit of portraiture (for example out on a hike with friends)" and in such situations non of your friends want you to take out all the equipment for a 1:1 macro. Well, at least not my friends.
