Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally I prefer the smaller CV 28/2 II Ultron over the Leica 28/2 II Cron. Their performance is actually similar but the Voigtlander outperforms it in terms of resolution and contrast. There are some Voigtlander lenses that provide similar if not better performance than the Leica's equivalents and I'd say that the CV 28/2 II and CV 50/2 APO are good examples.
I just bought the CV in that retro style (black/silver) because I could not pass up on the deal. Already have the Leica Cron Asph II so, ya, really shouldn't have!
Also have the BP TTA 28 5.6, and the CV 28 3.5 which is very nice. But I may sell that one because I think there is an unwritten rule that you cannot have two CV 28mm lenses at the same time.
Desmolicious wrote:
I just bought the CV in that retro style (black/silver) because I could not pass up on the deal. Already have the Leica Cron Asph II so, ya, really shouldn't have!
Also have the BP TTA 28 5.6, and the CV 28 3.5 which is very nice. But I may sell that one because I think there is an unwritten rule that you cannot have two CV 28mm lenses at the same time.
It's hard to see any difference between the CV 28/2 II and Leica 28/2 II. Even at 100% mag, rendering is pretty much the same, except for small details like slightly more outlining in specular highlights for the Leica and less rounded bokeh balls for the Voigtlander. As far as resolution and contrast, the Voigtlander is slightly sharper across the field but the Leica performs very close. After f/4 they are pretty much identical at infinity distance. For a while I had both but decided to keep the Voigt since I also have the 28/1.4 Lux. Voigtlander has no answer for the latter yet.
Fred Miranda wrote:
It's hard to see any difference between the CV 28/2 II and Leica 28/2 II. Even at 100% mag, rendering is pretty much the same, except for small details like slightly more outlining in specular highlights for the Leica and less rounded bokeh balls for the Voigtlander. As far as resolution and contrast, the Voigtlander is slightly sharper across the field but the Leica performs very close. After f/4 they are pretty much identical at infinity distance. For a while I had both but decided to keep the Voigt since I also have the 28/1.4 Lux. Voigtlander has no answer for the latter yet. ...Show more →
I don't expect to see any difference optically. Especially not on film! The thing Leica has going for it is haptics and uniformity of really nice design language. But that comes at a price, which may or may not be worth it to some people.
Anyway, this should be fun, and I really appreciate small lenses on M bodies.
Desmolicious wrote:
I don't expect to see any difference optically. Especially not on film! The thing Leica has going for it is haptics and uniformity of really nice design language. But that comes at a price, which may or may not be worth it to some people.
Anyway, this should be fun, and I really appreciate small lenses on M bodies.
Agree with that. It's hard to beat Leica haptics. However most Voigtlander lenses are well built and the focus tab on the CV 28/2 II is very smooth. The distance markings are also precise and the black paint on brass is gorgeous on this lens.
1bwana1 wrote:
I find the VM 28mm Ultron II to be an excellent lens in all criteria. Nothing to be gained by spending much more. I made a decision to shoot Leica lenses on my M, but after direct comparisons in the 28mm FL I am keeping the VM. That says a lot as it is my second most used FL.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally I prefer the smaller CV 28/2 II Ultron over the Leica 28/2 II Cron. Their performance is actually similar but the Voigtlander outperforms it in terms of resolution and contrast. There are some Voigtlander lenses that provide similar if not better performance than the Leica's equivalents and I'd say that the CV 28/2 II and CV 50/2 APO are good examples.
Desmolicious wrote:
I just bought the CV in that retro style (black/silver) because I could not pass up on the deal. Already have the Leica Cron Asph II so, ya, really shouldn't have!
Also have the BP TTA 28 5.6, and the CV 28 3.5 which is very nice. But I may sell that one because I think there is an unwritten rule that you cannot have two CV 28mm lenses at the same time.
I wonder if you'll regret selling the 28/3.5. Isn't it hard to find now?
Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread and taken at 8:57 AM.
Looking at a room in Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace).
Hand Held relying on Camera IBIS, Kolari Vision UT sensor modified Sony A7rII camera and Voigtlander 28 mm f2 Ulton II VM lens; silent shutter.
ISO 1600, F8?, 1/50 Second.
Exposure Corrected +0.09 Stops.
March 24, 2022
At Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace), Firenze (Florence), Italy.
naturephoto1 wrote:
Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread and taken at 8:57 AM.
Looking at a room in Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace).
Hand Held relying on Camera IBIS, Kolari Vision UT sensor modified Sony A7rII camera and Voigtlander 28 mm f2 Ulton II VM lens; silent shutter.
ISO 1600, F8?, 1/50 Second.
Exposure Corrected +0.09 Stops.
March 24, 2022
At Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace), Firenze (Florence), Italy.
Rich
I think you went overboard with your exposure correction.
Just got my CV 28 Ultron V2 but the v1 version with the retro finish if that makes sense.
Anyway, quick lunch break so I did a very scientifically lackadaisical vignette comparo with all my 28s.
Shot wide open - which is from f2 to f 5.6 depending on lens. All profiles turned off. Exposure manually corrected to match across images as best as I could given my laissez-faire attitude.
CV Ultron 28 f2 v2 @f2
Summicron 28 f2 Asph v2 @ f2
CV Color Skopar 28 f3.5 @ f3.5
TTA 28 f5.6 @ f5.6
And... here is the CV 28 Ultron v2 with the CV 28 3.5 profile applied in LR. I don't see a LR profile for the new v2 Ultron.
Desmolicious wrote:
Just got my CV 28 Ultron V2 but the v1 version with the retro finish if that makes sense.
Anyway, quick lunch break so I did a very scientifically lackadaisical vignette comparo with all my 28s.
Shot wide open - which is from f2 to f 5.6 depending on lens. All profiles turned off. Exposure manually corrected to match across images as best as I could given my laissez-faire attitude.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Nice test!
Did the Leica had auto-profile in camera?
D'oh! did not turn off auto-profile in camera (M10r). I turned it off in LR, and I could see a difference but not sure how much.
So. I took two quick shots with the Cron - auto profile on and off - and looking at the image on the rear LCD 'on' makes a significant difference w vignette.
Fred - don't make me do this test again! lol.
Interestingly with lens auto profile on, the CV ultron shows R adaptor-M!
Desmolicious wrote:
Just got my CV 28 Ultron V2 but the v1 version with the retro finish if that makes sense.
Anyway, quick lunch break so I did a very scientifically lackadaisical vignette comparo with all my 28s.
Shot wide open - which is from f2 to f 5.6 depending on lens. All profiles turned off. Exposure manually corrected to match across images as best as I could given my laissez-faire attitude.
CV Ultron 28 f2 v2 @f2
And some try to tell us that you can't shoot fast moving animals with a Leica M system...
Desmolicious wrote:
D'oh! did not turn off auto-profile in camera (M10r). I turned it off in LR, and I could see a difference but not sure how much.
So. I took two quick shots with the Cron - auto profile on and off - and looking at the image on the rear LCD 'on' makes a significant difference w vignette.
Fred - don't make me do this test again! lol.
Interestingly with lens auto profile on, the CV ultron shows R adaptor-M!
The Leica 28/2 II summicron has slightly better vignetting performance. I use the 28/2 II cron 6-bit code on my CV 28/2 II.
How do you like your CV 28/3.5 in comparison?
Fred Miranda wrote:
The Leica 28/2 II summicron has slightly better vignetting performance. I use the 28/2 II cron 6-bit code on my CV 28/2 II.
How do you like your CV 28/3.5 in comparison?
I'm working (from home), and the Ultron showed up a couple hours ago. So all I know right now is the Ultron has smoother focus and a much more solid feeling aperture ring - the CV 28 3/5 is from the era before CV upped its build quality game.
But the 28 3.5 is so much prettier on the camera. I just don't get this cone-head design that CV used for the Ultron.
I will tell you where the design of the retro version of the Ultron is much better than the V2 version - the focus ring. The retro version has a narrow ridged focus ring as well as the focus stick thing. So you can use either to focus with. Very nice. The v2 only has the tab.
FYI all my CV 28 Ultron pics were taken with a B+W filter and no lens hood. The pic of the bikes was taken through the shop window which was not exactly clean! Those lights are the street lights reflected behind me.
I did order the Haoge lens hood via Amazon - which is a CV knock off. I already have one for my CV 35 1.4 v2 and cannot tell the difference in quality vs the real thing. With lenses which have really good flare protection like the CV I pretty much just use them to keep my sticky little fingers off the glass.
