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Nairobi NP is a really nice afternoon out (or morning) if you're there anyway. Been there twice and had some nice sightings there, including those rhino's. Avoid Sundays.

There's one bush camp inside the park if you'd like to stay there overnight and it's Porini one, so very good.



Jul 15, 2022 at 04:21 AM
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I'm heading to Botswana and Namibia for three weeks in several days. My second trip to Africa, really looking foward to it. Here's what I am bringing gear wise...

Canon R5
Canon R6
EF 17-40
EF 24-70 2.8ii
RF 100-500
RF 600f4
TC 1.4x

It's a lot, and I had to beg the tour operator to let me bring it all (our trip only has four people on it so we might have more latitude on weight), But I should have everything covered...speaking of which, I'm bringing a large towel to cover the gear so it doesn't get dusty.




Jul 15, 2022 at 07:02 PM
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cohenfive wrote:
I'm heading to Botswana and Namibia for three weeks in several days. My second trip to Africa, really looking foward to it. Here's what I am bringing gear wise...

Canon R5
Canon R6
EF 17-40
EF 24-70 2.8ii
RF 100-500
RF 600f4
TC 1.4x

It's a lot, and I had to beg the tour operator to let me bring it all (our trip only has four people on it so we might have more latitude on weight), But I should have everything covered...speaking of which, I'm bringing a large towel to cover the gear so it doesn't get dusty.



That's a nice setup. Wouldn't you rather bring a 70-200 2.8 instead of the 24-70? You have the wide end covered with the 17-40, so i would think a 70-200 2.8 would be nice for low light shooting instead of overlapping it with a 24-70.

Also, don't the lodges have towels you could use for dust covers instead of lugging one over there?



Jul 15, 2022 at 07:36 PM
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I don't use a 70-200 much, so I don't even own one. I have the 100-500 for the short end for wildlife, the 600 for longer shots. The 17-40 and 24-70 I'm bringing mostly for Namibia and other landscapes...or I guess if a lion gets really, really close! Towels, you might be right but we are also staying in camps part of the time...and I don't want to have to think about asking so I'll just stuff a microfiber towel in with my 600.


Jul 15, 2022 at 09:22 PM
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chiron wrote:
So, how did it all work out? Did your gear make it out of jburg? Were the lens selections good ones? Etc.?


Back after 21 days. Grueling tour. 34 game drives in 17 days. It was really cold before and after the sun went down. Left for drives before sun up to get to the right area at sunrise, and arrived back after dark. Used all the lenses except the 15-35. Should have left it home. 24 was wide enough. The f/2.8 on the 70-200 was a winner early and late in the day. No hassles with airlines. Had the 2 R5s and the RF 100-500 and RF 70-200 in a Lowepro back pack and the computer in a briefcase style bag. United didn't blink an eye. The MACK Air and FedAir flights were not a problem as they were not full, and we threw the camera gear on an empty seat. Even Air Botswana was not a problem with gear, although they kept changing flight times and adding intermediate stops. Crew change issues requiring us to leave the plane and walk the Tarmac with the gear. Next time I am gonna take my airport roller instead of the back back as the trek through the airports (especially J'berg) were very long gate to gate. Took 12k frames..... Lots of culling to do.

The quote of the trip: After an arduous day of bush bashing and lots of photos we were beat and wanted to go back a little early to the lodge. Our Photo guide said "What... don't be silly, there's still some good light!!"



Jul 16, 2022 at 06:56 AM
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A question....I'm leaving Thursday for Botswana/Nimibia...I've outlined my gear above. The only lens I'm questioning (even though I bought it mostly for this trip) is the EF 17-40. I don't use an ultra wide often, but when I do need it I'm glad to have it. I bought the lens as a small/light option since we are tight on weight/space. Can I get away without it, or should I just bring it just in case?


Jul 19, 2022 at 12:15 AM
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I think you can leave the 17-40 at home


Jul 19, 2022 at 02:41 AM
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evertdoorn wrote:
I think you can leave the 17-40 at home


Agreed. Or leave the 24-70 at home amd rent an Rf 70-200 2.8 as he only has the slow 100-500 for shooting in low light.



Jul 19, 2022 at 08:48 AM
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I have an rf 600f4 for low light...

Sounds like I might take the 17-40 out of the bag. Every pound helps!



Jul 19, 2022 at 11:33 PM
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cohenfive wrote:
I have an rf 600f4 for low light...

Sounds like I might take the 17-40 out of the bag. Every pound helps!



Yeah, at 600mm....it misses a whole key focal range. You just heard someone above who was there for 3 weeks state how nice it was to have the 70-200 for low light in the AM and evenings. To each his own.



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I saw it and read it. I don't have a 70-200, have never really found much use for that focal range personally. Will have to make do with the 24-70 2.8 and the 100-500...If light isn't great I guess I'll be relying on topaz to clean up the noise, which to me works incredibly well. Thanks!


Jul 20, 2022 at 11:31 AM
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cohenfive wrote:
I saw it and read it. I don't have a 70-200, have never really found much use for that focal range personally. Will have to make do with the 24-70 2.8 and the 100-500...If light isn't great I guess I'll be relying on topaz to clean up the noise, which to me works incredibly well. Thanks!


I just got back from Botswana and brought similar gear to what you're using (except I brought two R5, a 500/4 instead of a 600, and the 24-105/4 instead of the 24-70). I bought the RF 16/2.8 for the rare wide angle opportunity and night shots. Much smaller and lighter than the zooms. I also only used it once so I wouldn't have missed much without it. I see the value in the 70-200/2.8 for the edges of light in the day, but I really liked having the 100-500 on my 2nd body.



Jul 20, 2022 at 01:49 PM
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kylebarendrick wrote:
I just got back from Botswana and brought similar gear to what you're using (except I brought two R5, a 500/4 instead of a 600, and the 24-105/4 instead of the 24-70). I bought the RF 16/2.8 for the rare wide angle opportunity and night shots. Much smaller and lighter than the zooms. I also only used it once so I wouldn't have missed much without it. I see the value in the 70-200/2.8 for the edges of light in the day, but I really liked having the 100-500 on my 2nd body.


If you did it over again, would you bring a RF 400/2.8, EF 500/4, or RF 600 assuming you have other bodies with zoom covering the rest of the ranges? I'm leaning toward the RF 400 with converters as it's quite the Swiss army knife.



Jul 20, 2022 at 02:53 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
If you did it over again, would you bring a RF 400/2.8, EF 500/4, or RF 600 assuming you have other bodies with zoom covering the rest of the ranges? I'm leaning toward the RF 400 with converters as it's quite the Swiss army knife.


I own the 500/4 so for me it is a no-brainer.

That said, and all things being equal I'd go with the 400/2.8. My friend rented one for the trip and it really is a tremendous lens. With converters it could exceed what I got out of the 500 (560/4 vs. my 500/4 with the 1.4x and 800/5.6 with the 2x) with the advantage of being able to go to f/2.8 for the low light conditions. I always chose to give up reach for speed in the twilight hours anyway.



Jul 20, 2022 at 03:23 PM
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kylebarendrick wrote:
I just got back from Botswana and brought similar gear to what you're using (except I brought two R5, a 500/4 instead of a 600, and the 24-105/4 instead of the 24-70). I bought the RF 16/2.8 for the rare wide angle opportunity and night shots. Much smaller and lighter than the zooms. I also only used it once so I wouldn't have missed much without it. I see the value in the 70-200/2.8 for the edges of light in the day, but I really liked having the 100-500 on my 2nd body.


I'm with you...the plan for wildlife shooting is to have my r6 with 100-500 attached, and my r5 with the 600 attached. No lens changes unless something gets so close I need the 24-70! The r6 is pretty great in low light situations so between that and using topaz to clean up noise I hope I'm ok with what I have. Plus my wife will want to use the r6 at times and I want to have a camera she can get wildlife with if she wants to shoot alongside me.



Jul 20, 2022 at 03:27 PM
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kylebarendrick wrote:
I own the 500/4 so for me it is a no-brainer.

That said, and all things being equal I'd go with the 400/2.8. My friend rented one for the trip and it really is a tremendous lens. With converters it could exceed what I got out of the 500 (560/4 vs. my 500/4 with the 1.4x and 800/5.6 with the 2x) with the advantage of being able to go to f/2.8 for the low light conditions. I always chose to give up reach for speed in the twilight hours anyway.


Perfect, thanks for your feedback.



Jul 20, 2022 at 03:28 PM
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I just came across this thread with lots of good informations. Thank you all so far ! Though I didn't read every line, I've browsed through all the posts and replies. I'm late at the discussion but I hope that nevertheless there will be some comments and help from the safari experts to the points listed below.

In October, I will join a photo tour to Tanzania including Arusha, Tangire, Ngorongoro, Sergenti and an extension to Masai Mara for a few days hoping to see the crossing. I've been in Namibia in the 80s on a private trip but apart from that this will be my first "real" photo safari to Africa. In the last decades, my main focus for photography has been on the polar regions but also on South America, US NPs, Costa Rica, Japan and Kamchatka.
My wife does some photography, too, but not to the extent I'm doing. However, we can (and will) split the equipment for the planned trip to Tanzania and that's where the first point is addressed to:

#1: For wildlife and birds, I optionally have the 200-400mm + Ext, the EF 400mm II, EF 600mm II, plus 1,4 + 2.0 Ext III, of course and the EF 100-400mm II.
From what I've read in this thread, some say that reach is the most important point. That's what I was thinking, too. Therefore, we originally have planned to bring the 200-400, 600mm + Ext and 100-400mm. On the other hand, some of the safari experts here evidentally prefer the 400mm instead of the 600m because of the low light in the early morning and late evening, which is a good point, too. Maybe the even better isolation of the subject against the background also can be a plus of the 400mm. To the contrary to the "reach" argument above, the proponents of the 400mm say that 600mm regularily is too much. So I'm now struggling with the decision to go for the 400mm or better bring the 600mm to Tanzania ? As for the 400mm, the 200-400mm offers some redundancy at the long end, of course, but the latter is one stop slower. Moreover, the zooms give a lot of flexibility so that I don't tend to leave the 200-400mm (and 100-400mm) at home the more as my wife is shooting, too. So any additional input to the optional 600mm vs 400mm supertele is very much appreciated - especially from those who have been in Tanzania multiple times.
BTW, for closer/wider scenarios and landscapes we also plan to bring the EF 70-200mm/f2.8 II and EF 24-70mm II or RF 24-105mm - and maybe the EF 16-35mm/f4, too (the 11-24 would also be an option, but it's pretty heavy and I don't think that we really need a wider angle than 16mm (?)).

As for the bodies, there's the 1 DxIII, R5, 7D Mark II, 5D Mark IV and 5DsR to choose. From today's standpoint, I think both of us will opt for 2 bodies. The R5 and 1 DxIII certainly are no brainer. Maybe the R3 would have been even better than the 1 DxIII because of the superbe animal-AF and less weight but I currently don't want to trade in the 1DXIII the more as the prices on the used market are insane (and it will be last 1series DSLR, I've been familiar with for years) - Moreover, 24 vs 20 MP is not a big step, I think.
My "outdated" 7D Mark II works very well with the 100-400mm but the AF is considerably less reliable with the 200-400mm and 600mm once the 1.4 Ext or even 2.0 is mounted on the long lens, at least. My wife prefers the 7DII/100-400mm combo. So we tend to bring the 7DII, too which also gives an additional reach due to the 1.6 crop sensor. I have been thinking of going for the R7 instead because of the advanced AF capabilities and 32MP . But the extremely small buffer, reports on wobbling backgrounds and sharpness issues in EFCS shutter mode, occasional AF problems in busy backgrounds, lack of a grip and less rugged body in that dusty enviroment have made me to think twice though I have not yet come to a final decision.
With the 5DsR the 1.6 "false" crop mode would be an option, too (also with the R5, of course) by additionally offering very good options for landscape shots. But the slower frame rate compared to the 7DII would be a disadvantage, IMO.
Nevertheless I also have not yet come to a conclusion to bring the 5DsR or 5D Mark IV as our fourth camera. I'm not much into video yet. But the 5D Mark IV certainly is a much better choice in this regard - and has a better DR, too.

So to sum things up, the options so far are as follows:

600mm II or 400mm II ?? Incl the Ext for both options
200-400mm
100-400mm II
70-200mm/2.8 II
24-70mm/2.8 II or RF 24-105mm
16-35mm/f4

R5
1Dx III
7d II ( still thinking of the R7)
5DsR or 5d Mark IV (?)


#2 Weight, restriction on airlines etc.

Whatever the final choices regarding the equipment, there's no chance of staying within the 8kg limit most airlines allow for carry-on luggage, of course. Even if you wear an additional photo vest which was recommended by some posters here, it simply has been impossible to stay within those limits on the past photo trips -and Tanzania will be no exception. Given the weight of 2 longer lenses that you cannot put into a vest plus 1-2 cameras, batteries, laptop, back pack etc. you will easily exceed that limit. Each of our back packs generally had around 13-15 kg in the past, at least. Although we often felt tense and stressed before going through the airport check-in counter, we ended lucky with the controls as they hadn't weighed our back packs in nearly all of our travels around the world over the past few decades I can only remember 2 problems in the past 35 years, though, with one at Ushuaia airport in Argentina which is known for trouble . I was lucky, though, because they just skipped checking the weight of my equipment while all fellow travellers had to put their fragile equipment into the checked luggage at additional fees. Second, when my wife traveled to Antarctica 20 years ago, she was put on standby by Iberian Airlines ground crew at Madrid Airport because she refused to check in her camera bag. But the consulted flight captain said "where's the problem" ;-). So she could board in the end. BTW, we also never had problems on smaller plains in the Pantanal and elsewhere.

Anyway, the negative experiences with Lufthansa reported in this thread can raise concern. Living in Germany, LH has been our most frequently booked airline for our trips and we never had problems in the past. We have not travelled for almost 3 years because of the pandemic, though, and possibly a lot has changed since. While GDC in France (and also Fra in Germany) could also be problematic in the past due to the mass of passengers and extended controls, the TV news is currently reporting absolute chaos at the main German airports with luggage left behind or lost, endless queues of passengers waiting many hours at check-in and flights being postponed or cancelled. They say that during the pandemic many employees of the ground staff and baggage handlers have lost their jobs and taken better-paying jobs now. Additionally, people are tired of protective measures against corona and evidentally decide to ignore the virus. So, though it's summer here, the infection rate is rapidly going up affecting the airline staff, too, forcing them into quarantine.

In any case, I don't know about the concrete situation at the airports in other countries but can only hope that it will be better in October here after the peak of the holiday season - unless another virus wave will hit us. I also don't know if there are even stricter weight controls of the carry-on luggage now. For the first time, we have booked our flight tickets for the business class, at least, which was originally intended to have more room in times of the pandemic but hopefully it can help regarding strict weight controls of the photobags, too.

#3 vaccinations

There was a question regarding preventive vaccinations at the beginning of this thread, too. If I haven't miss it, this point did not get much attention yet because it certainly is depending on the concrete region people want to visit for the safari to Africa.
Anyways, Malaria is said to be prominent all over Tanzania. So I would be interested to know how you guys, especially the experienced Tanzania travellers handle this danger. - Any vaccinations (if so, which ?) ,- or just stand by medicine ? I guess that the risk also varies in the dry vs. wet season ? As said, I will be in Tanzania in mid October. However, you never know...... When I was in Namibia including the more critical zone at the Kunene river , I haven't taken any medicine. But that's another region and the trip was back in the 80s with only Lariam available as a preventive medicine against Malaria back in those days which could cause serious side effects. So I stayed away from it. But each moskito bite provoked kind of uncertainty ;-)
What about vaccinations recommended against other diseases in Tanzania ?
Of course, in the end it's all a personal decision which individiually must discussed and decided talking to a tropical doctor. Nevertheless, it's helpful to know about the approach of experienced travelers. Thank you in advance !

#4 Finally a short comment regarding the discussion on drones in this thread. I also think that the protection of African wildlife must have absolute priority and therefore any disturbance must be avoided. There are already several reports of ignorance and violations of the laws even by the locals and safari drivers themselves - especially at the crossings. Why should Africa differ from other fragile destinations in the world threatened by human ignorance, greed or just mass tourism. Nevertheless, the strict rules and ban of drones make sense to me though I theoretically could imagine some nice scenarios captured with drones, of course, i.e. capturing the migration from above. So I definetely leave my drone at home. That said, it really would be very annoying, though, if I see any drone pilots circumventing the rules or just paying enough baksheesh for a permit without having a scientific order


Apologies for this long post which to some extent may already have been discussed with a general perspective on safaris to Africa. Specifically for Tanzania and the various comments on the gear especially regarding the 400mm or 600mm, cameras as well as on the vaccinations (Malaria risk etc.) I would still be very grateful for some more insights and recommendations from the experienced travelers.

Thank you in advance

Wolfgang

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Jul 25, 2022 at 04:47 PM
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Hi Wolfgang, some thoughts on your questions:

Lenses are a personal matter, I prefer a zoom on safari since distance is unpredictable, but isolating subjects in Africa is difficult so I see the case for a 400 2.8 as well. In TZ you will probably not be able to go offroad so animals may be further away so a TC would be helpful.

Regarding shorter focal lengths unless you are wanting to shoot landscapes I’d stay with a 70-200 and use my phone if an animal is too close for that or you want more of an environmental shot. I’m a big weight skeptic so your choice might be different.

No thoughts on Lufthansa for you.

For malaria I always take Malarone when going to Africa, these are pills you start one day before arrival, each day there, and a week after leaving.

Have a great time!

Bob

PS, not sure you will see a crossing in October, they usually cross northbound in August and southbound in November or December. Each year is different, though!



Jul 25, 2022 at 08:32 PM
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Never really had issues with my backpack weighting about 14kg. Usually flying KLM though. This backpack isn't the biggest though, that might very well help. (still fits a 500mm II , two bodies and a 100-500 + some small stuff).

You have quite a lot of very good options for the lenses; tough one..agree about using a phone for animals close up (I usually take short video's then, since photographs yield nothing interesting if you have to shoot in an angle too much down).

Lariam is definitely not recommended. Did a long 7 month overland trip back in '03/04 and me and my wife both used Lariam, and still got malaria. Plus my wife got a lot of bad side effects. Vaccinations for malaria don't exist yet so if you'd like to take any precautions, Malarone it is.



Jul 26, 2022 at 01:30 AM
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Wolfgang. For Tanzania I believe you will need a "yellow card" (vacc for yellow fever) and you should take Malarone. Just finished a course for Botswana/Namibia.

If you take small airlines in country you may need to book a freight seat for the Big Whites. We had our weights checked for FedAir and size on Mack Air at check in at Maun and Kasane. It depends on the gate agents it seems as others weren't checked. One carryon had to be put in the "hold" on FedAir, but it's not much different than putting behind the canvas screen in the rear on Mack air. (you walk to the plane and hand the bag to the copilot who put it in the hold while you watch, and on Mack you board at the rear and stick your stuff behind the canvas screen in the rear and squeeze up the aisle into your seat)

No hassles with anything from US on United to J'berg or Delta to Nairobi via Amsterdam. And probably not an issue for you but avoid Air Botswana at all cost. (long story)



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