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Does everyone suggest Malarone for Kenya? I thought I read something about the elevation in Kenya being a bit higher so the risk of Malaria is minimal. But let me know.

Also headed to Rwanda so I'm guessing it's probably more of an issue there but I will have to research.

Any side effects from Malarone?



Jul 26, 2022 at 10:35 AM
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Having been there once before, now I would bring my 200-400 f4 w/built in 1.4x, 100-500, 24-105. Camera wise my R3. Lots of “film”


Jul 26, 2022 at 11:12 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
Does everyone suggest Malarone for Kenya? I thought I read something about the elevation in Kenya being a bit higher so the risk of Malaria is minimal. But let me know.

Also headed to Rwanda so I'm guessing it's probably more of an issue there but I will have to research.

Any side effects from Malarone?


I've taken Malarone a number of times and never had any side effects - I've heard some have GI side-effects. I took it on trips to Kenya and Namibia many years back as precaution.



Jul 26, 2022 at 11:14 AM
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Herb wrote:
Having been there once before, now I would bring my 200-400 f4 w/built in 1.4x, 100-500, 24-105. Camera wise my R3. Lots of “film”


Yep, here's what I'm planning on bringing:

R5 w/ 200-400
R5 w/ RF 400 + 1.4x & 2x TC's
R5 w/ 100-500
RF 70-200 2.8 for low light
RF 14-35 for occasional wide sunset shot or similar
EF 135 my favorite lens for portraits/lifestyles
Tons of "film" and SSDs for daily backup
GoPros and mounts
Other misc accessories, batteries, and MacBook

Luckily I'm able to divide this gear among two passengers to avoid issues with carry on and weight. I will give my girlfriend the R5 w/100-500 to shoot with until I'm ready to shoot the 70-200 when the light goes down




Jul 26, 2022 at 02:01 PM
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Thank you all for your comments and replies so far !

As for precautions against Malaria it's very helpful to know that you all take Malarone. So that's the way to go. I will generally talk to a tropical doctor, of course, for individual advices and adjustments, too. From what I read, a yellow card (yellow fever vacc) is not required for Tanzania unless you enter from a country where this disease is common.

Of course, I didn't expect any information and insights of Lufthansa and the current domestic chaos from you foreign travelers. My comment was primarily related to the negative reports on LH posted here, and I wanted to say that we never had a problem with this airline in the past. However, I wasn't sure whether the enforcement of weight limits for carry-on luggage and rules generally have become even stricter after the pandemic, due to cost-savings strategies, reduction of ground staff etc. So it's good to know that you had no problems with KLM or US airlines, at least. Our backpacks (Gura Gear Bataflae 32L and older Tamrac Expedition 9X) are large, of course, but not that huge either. A 600m II with the lens hood in reversed position and some smaller staff will just fit in the Tamrac and the 200-400 mounted on the camera plus additiional gear fit in the Bataflae). Both bags fit well into the overhead compartments. Nevertheless, we always tried to "disguise" the weight and thus avoid special attention at the check-ins. That doesn't help if weight control becomes mandatory, of course.

Since our flights already are booked now with the Swiss companies "Helvetic Airways" from Stuttgart to Zurich, continuing with "Edelweiss Air" to JRO , though, I keep my fingers crossed that there will be no trouble either. It's just FYI, because most of you probably don't know the Swiss companies, of course but our return flights are operated by Lufthansa again
Regarding smaller airplains, I will have to wait for the information from the (US !) tour operator who will arrange the air transfers in Tanzania, too. It's an organized photo safari for 11 photogs at maximum who certainly bring a lot of gear including long lenses, too. So I'm presently less concerned about trouble on the smaller airplains. Maybe I'm wrong here.

I know that there's absolutely no guarantee of seeing the crossing and that it changes every year. I also would definetely prefer to stay away from the crowds and maybe lots of tourist vans and photogs who eventually compete for the best viewpoints. On the other hand, since they offered the extension of the main trip to Masai Mara and I don't know if I can go there again, it would be quite disappointing to miss the event if it actually happens. So we decided to join that extension trip at the end of October.

I'm still undecided to bring the 600mm II or 400mm II additionally to the zooms mentioned in my previous post. It's not that much a difference of weight between the two. So it depends on the light conditions, distance to wildlife (eventually to some birds, too) and chances of isolating the subjects. Bob seems to vote for the 400mm, other posters on previous pages of this thread went with the 600mm. I agree that it's a personal decision in the end, of course. But since it's my first trip to Tanzania, I don't know the circumstances there to come to a conclusion, that's why I was asking. Of course it can be nice to capture some closer wildlife with the iphone, too. However, this wasn't my focus with regard to the long lenses.

Thank you again so far and best regards

Wolfgang
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Jul 26, 2022 at 02:16 PM
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Thank you for the addtional comments that I've just seen after I had sent my last post.

Another vote for the 400mm +TCs (instead of the 600mm ?) as it seems. I definetely bring the 200-400mm, too. Maybe I should actually think of my 11-24mm instead of the 16-35mm given "Artsupreme's" comment . As said the R5 is a no brainer, - and the R3 certainly is great there. I hope that my 1DxIII will do the job, too :-)

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Jul 26, 2022 at 02:31 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Does everyone suggest Malarone for Kenya? I thought I read something about the elevation in Kenya being a bit higher so the risk of Malaria is minimal. But let me know.

Also headed to Rwanda so I'm guessing it's probably more of an issue there but I will have to research.

Any side effects from Malarone?


personally I'd skip Malarone for Kenya. In the Mara it's not needed in my opinion



Jul 26, 2022 at 03:01 PM
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WJaekel wrote:
Thank you for the addtional comments that I've just seen after I had sent my last post.

Another vote for the 400mm +TCs (instead of the 600mm ?) as it seems. I definetely bring the 200-400mm, too. Maybe I should actually think of my 11-24mm instead of the 16-35mm given "Artsupreme's" comment . As said the R5 is a no brainer, - and the R3 certainly is great there. I hope that my 1DxIII will do the job, too :-)

Best regards
Wolfgang
www.wjaekel-foto.de


I'm going with the 400 instead of the 600 but both are very popular choices. My reasons for the 400 are: I want the f/2.8 for low light and subject isolation because there's been a lot of discussion about sunrise and sunset game drives when there's not much light. If I need longer than 400mm I can slap on the TC's. And, if something is at 800mm+ and I have to crop, those aren't the type of shots that end up being my favorite keepers anyway. Another thing to consider is that it might be pretty hot in October which could cause some heat shimmer at longer FL's? I have no idea but just a thought. Also, I'm not interested in shooting birds, which is another reason I'm not bringing the 600. I figure the 400 is more flexible with 2.8 in low light, and then 560 and 800 which will hopefully cover the action in the range I prefer to shoot within.

Based on this if anyone still thinks I should bring a 600 instead please let me know your reasons why as I still have some time.

Wolfgang, your 1DXIII will be great but it looks like you are bringing a heavy load with your 1DX's and vII tales so i would definitely look into the weight limits as so many people have warned me about it lately. I guess we'll find out soon enough.



Jul 26, 2022 at 03:06 PM
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evertdoorn wrote:
personally I'd skip Malarone for Kenya. In the Mara it's not needed in my opinion


That's what I like to hear.....I think I'm going to skip it.



Jul 26, 2022 at 03:07 PM
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agvogel wrote:
I've taken Malarone a number of times and never had any side effects - I've heard some have GI side-effects. I took it on trips to Kenya and Namibia many years back as precaution.


I had stomach issues a few times with Malarone, but found as long as I took it with a meal I wouldn't have any problems.



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artsupreme wrote:
I'm going with the 400 instead of the 600 but both are very popular choices. My reasons for the 400 are: I want the f/2.8 for low light and subject isolation because there's been a lot of discussion about sunrise and sunset game drives when there's not much light. If I need longer than 400mm I can slap on the TC's. And, if something is at 800mm+ and I have to crop, those aren't the type of shots that end up being my favorite keepers anyway. Another thing to consider is that it might be pretty hot in October which
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Artsupreme, thank you for your arguments regarding the 400mm. Good points, - in fact the 400mm seems to give more flexibility and a bit better subject isolation, too. In lower light it maybe comes down to the question to which extent f4 vs f2.8 actually limits the possiblities for sunrise and sunset drives (given today's cameras with no problems to compensate one stop with a bit higher ISO) - and how the reach of the 400mm vs 600mm (eventually plus TCs) compare and will do the job in better light..I don't know about the impact of heat shimmer in October, though. Anyways, if you need to put the TC on the 400mm in lower light scenarios for more reach you end up with the same shutter speed. But of course, you have the choice of f2.8 with the 400mm alone if it really gets dark. It's not an easy decision for me, at least, the more as I'm interested in birdlife there, too, though wildlife has the priority.

The weight of our carry-on backpacks has always been a risk for trouble at the check-in desks and regularily caused some tension for us before hand. But as pointed out, we luckily had no problems so far with our bags often weighing around 15kg in the past decades. And it was encouraging to read that other posters had no issues either. However, as also mentioned above, I have not traveled by planes for almost 3 years now beause of the pandemic and I don't know if the situation has changed to stricter enforcements and control of the weight limits on all airports in the meantime - be it because of economical consequences of Corona for the airlines or whatever reasons. I will split the gear with my wife but both of us definetely will surpass the limit for carry-on luggage and I see no chance to reduce the weight to the required amount.
As you say, there's still time to find out how the situation is and hear from others about their experiences,

As for Malaria, I don't know the risk in Kenya which might be lower according to the comment above. However, I have yet to meet or hear of anyone travelling to Tanzania who thinks that precautions are unnecessary or even adivised against it. I don't want to play Russian roulette and be concerned of each moskito bite. So for me, there's no doubt to go for Malarone unless our doctor has serious objections and recommends another pill.

Wolfgang
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Jul 26, 2022 at 11:49 PM
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WJaekel wrote:
Artsupreme, thank you for your arguments regarding the 400mm. Good points, - in fact the 400mm seems to give more flexibility and a bit better subject isolation, too. In lower light it maybe comes down to the question to which extent f4 vs f2.8 actually limits the possiblities for sunrise and sunset drives (given today's cameras with no problems to compensate one stop with a bit higher ISO) - and how the reach of the 400mm vs 600mm (eventually plus TCs) compare and will do the job in better light..I don't know about the impact of heat shimmer in October,
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Tough call Wolfgang but it sounds like the 600II might be a better option for you based on you being interested in shooting birds.

As for Malaria in Kenya, I've spoken to others who have also mentioned they do not take Malarone in Kenya due to the higher elevation. Several of the camps I spoke with also mentioned there is no Malaria in their area, so it definitely sounds like less of a risk than Tanzania.



Jul 27, 2022 at 10:07 AM
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artsupreme wrote:
I'm going with the 400 instead of the 600 but both are very popular choices. My reasons for the 400 are: I want the f/2.8 for low light and subject isolation because there's been a lot of discussion about sunrise and sunset game drives when there's not much light. If I need longer than 400mm I can slap on the TC's. And, if something is at 800mm+ and I have to crop, those aren't the type of shots that end up being my favorite keepers anyway. Another thing to consider is that it might be pretty hot in October which
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don't forget a wide angle and mid range zoo if you can
Since you are in the US, do check with CDC to see which are their recommendations and requirements regarding immunizations.
Long time ago, we were not required to have a specific one, but then it could turn into mandatory quarantine upon return....so, be proactive
yes, 400mm with tcs is a good range, but so a second body or compact with zoom a need too - pack less clothing



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Bacalhau wrote:
don't forget a wide angle and mid range zoo if you can
Since you are in the US, do check with CDC to see which are their recommendations and requirements regarding immunizations.
Long time ago, we were not required to have a specific one, but then it could turn into mandatory quarantine upon return....so, be proactive
yes, 400mm with tcs is a good range, but so a second body or compact with zoom a need too - pack less clothing


Scroll up and you will see what I'm planning on bringing as of today. Things could change.



Jul 27, 2022 at 10:57 AM
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Question for you folks on this topic (joining you from the Nikon forum, hope that's acceptable )

I'm headed to Sabi Sands in October for 5 days, planning to bring a midrange zoom alongside my 100-400mm. I have a 24-70 f4 and a 28-75 f2.8 (both Z-mount).

I'd rather take the 24-70 overall (sharper, and wider) for Cape Town and southern coast preceding the safari. However - would that extra stop of light be such a game changer for the safari that it's worth losing out on 24-27mm and the added sharpness?

TIA!



Jul 27, 2022 at 09:41 PM
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That’s true for the Mara due to the high elevation… although vary rare it’s still present there. Over 4 million cases of malaria are reported annually in Kenya.

evertdoorn wrote:
personally I'd skip Malarone for Kenya. In the Mara it's not needed in my opinion




Jul 28, 2022 at 03:06 PM
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I just got back. I took anti-malaria pills. My son who lives in Nairobi sleeps under a mosquito net to prevent him from getting malaria. What sucks in Nairobi is that they do not use screen windows.


Jul 28, 2022 at 04:31 PM
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If anyone is traveling to Kenya, make sure you do not get your EVisa more than 90 days from arrival. The stupid Kenyan website does not block you from getting it to early and I guess no one is reviewing the online applications. My sister and I got ours more than 90 days from arrival. For some reason I had no issue but my sister got stopped at JWIA and had to reapply there in the airport!! Make sure you do not do it more than 90 days from departure.


Jul 28, 2022 at 04:34 PM
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Make sure you check the requirements going between countries. For example, my camp forgot I was going from Kenya to Uganda. To enter Uganda from Kenya you need a yellow fever immunization. I did not have but lets just say I got one in time to enter Uganda. Again make sure you check the requirements when going between countries. It is different if you are coming straight from the US to a country.



Jul 28, 2022 at 04:48 PM
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seaninsa wrote:
If anyone is traveling to Kenya, make sure you do not get your EVisa more than 90 days from arrival. The stupid Kenyan website does not block you from getting it to early and I guess no one is reviewing the online applications. My sister and I got ours more than 90 days from arrival. For some reason I had no issue but my sister got stopped at JWIA and had to reapply there in the airport!! Make sure you do not do it more than 90 days from departure.


Good stuff, thanks Sean.



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