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This has been a fun thread to visit from time to time and it helped me with my own decision making. I'm counting down the days until I leave for a 19-night tent camping safari in Botswana. Going to travel relatively light with a couple of a1 cameras, 400/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 28-60/5.6 lenses. Got everything down to 12 kg and fit into a 22L Osprey backpack and a smaller personal item backpack. I had been toying around with the idea of taking my 200-600 as well, but I really want to avoid checking any bags and if I took that lens, I'd have to take a larger backpack and still check a bag with clothes. Although, I'm still somewhat torn in the back of my mind whether the flexibility and extra reach of the zoom would be better than the faster aperture of the 400/2.8. First world problems, for sure! Excited for this adventure!


Jun 23, 2024 at 02:01 PM
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mitesh wrote:
This has been a fun thread to visit from time to time and it helped me with my own decision making. I'm counting down the days until I leave for a 19-night tent camping safari in Botswana. Going to travel relatively light with a couple of a1 cameras, 400/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 28-60/5.6 lenses. Got everything down to 12 kg and fit into a 22L Osprey backpack and a smaller personal item backpack. I had been toying around with the idea of taking my 200-600 as well, but I really want to avoid checking any bags and if I took that
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Mitesh, I think your decision depends on a few things:

Terrain type?
Drive off road?
Birds or Big 5?
Preferred shooting style (aperture)?

Identify whether you can drive off road or not and how barren the terrain where you'll be doing your game drives. If you are going to a place where there's a lot of bush and vegetation lining the roads and driving off road is very limited, you might consider bringing the zoom. But if you are in a conservancy where you can drive off road and position yourself anywhere you want (without limitations of dense bush) then the 400 is plenty. I'm assuming you aren't a birder, and that would be the other reason you would consider the zoom.

Shooting style? If it was me, I would take the 400 with TC's for any of the above scenarios because I prefer fast primes, but not everyone cares about shooting large apertures wide open. For Canon, the ultimate kit for a savanna style conservancy is the 100-300 on one body and a 400 on the other body, and bring TC's. The 70-200 was also very sufficient before I got the 100-300 and I could still go back with the 70-200 + 400 + TC's and be happy.



Jun 23, 2024 at 03:40 PM
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For Bots, with your current kit, I would leave the 200-600 at home but I would bring a 1.4 TC.

artsupreme wrote:
Mitesh, I think your decision depends on a few things:

Terrain type?
Drive off road?
Birds or Big 5?
Preferred shooting style (aperture)?

Identify whether you can drive off road or not and how barren the terrain where you'll be doing your game drives. If you are going to a place where there's a lot of bush and vegetation lining the roads and driving off road is very limited, you might consider bringing the zoom. But if you are in a conservancy where you can drive off road and position yourself anywhere you want (without limitations of dense bush) then the 400 is plenty. I'm
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Jun 24, 2024 at 08:56 AM
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mitesh wrote:
This has been a fun thread to visit from time to time and it helped me with my own decision making. I'm counting down the days until I leave for a 19-night tent camping safari in Botswana. Going to travel relatively light with a couple of a1 cameras, 400/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 28-60/5.6 lenses. Got everything down to 12 kg and fit into a 22L Osprey backpack and a smaller personal item backpack. I had been toying around with the idea of taking my 200-600 as well, but I really want to avoid checking any bags and if I took that
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Same here, leaving in a little more than a week. Will be in Sabi Sands and at another private reserve in Zimbabwe so I’m leaving the big glass (600F4) at home and taking 300 f2.8 (primary lens with the 1.4x TC but will have the 2x if needed), 70-200 and 24-70 (A1 and A9 III as camera). Since I can also hand some stuff off to my wife I am going to bring the 200-600 just in case I find the zoom more useful or in case of catastrophe with my 300.

The only thing I’m toying with is instead of bringing the 200-600 bring my OM-1 and 150-400 as the backup. The reason I’m thinking about that is that with the Sony kit I have two bodies so the 200-600 will stay in the bag and I’d have to switch if I needed it for some reason (or switch out TCs on the 300), while I could leave the OM-1 and 150-400 attached in the bag and grab it if needed, plus it is lighter.




Jun 25, 2024 at 07:07 PM
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palmor wrote:
Same here, leaving in a little more than a week. Will be in Sabi Sands and at another private reserve in Zimbabwe so I’m leaving the big glass (600F4) at home and taking 300 f2.8 (primary lens with the 1.4x TC but will have the 2x if needed), 70-200 and 24-70 (A1 and A9 III as camera). Since I can also hand some stuff off to my wife I am going to bring the 200-600 just in case I find the zoom more useful or in case of catastrophe with my 300.

The only thing I’m toying with is instead
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For Sabi Sands you're going to be using the 70-200 a fair bit! Have a wonderful time.



Jun 25, 2024 at 09:21 PM
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I’m considering Tamron’s 35-150 on A7RV as the second rig for safari- hopefully to counter the need for a normal zoom plus a 70-200. I normally take 2 cameras and 3 lenses but the wider one rarely gets used because I can’t be bothered to swap.


Jun 26, 2024 at 01:51 AM
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For the Sands a 100-400 or 70-200 + 400. I’m there very regularly (2-3 times a year).
Your 300 will work amazingly. Never really used the TCs. No time to change and dust. Better crop.
Where exactly do you stay? Shared jeep or one for your own?



Jun 26, 2024 at 02:05 PM
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Rytchk wrote:
For the Sands a 100-400 or 70-200 + 400. I’m there very regularly (2-3 times a year).
Your 300 will work amazingly. Never really used the TCs. No time to change and dust. Better crop.
Where exactly do you stay? Shared jeep or one for your own?


I’m going to keep the 1.4x on the 300 so I’ll have the 70-200 and 420 f4 as my primary lenses. I’ll have the 200-600 or the 150-400 as a “need more reach now” backup

We are staying at Notten’s Bush Camp and will have a shared jeep, although 4 of us will be from the same party.



Jun 26, 2024 at 03:23 PM
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palmor wrote:
I’m going to keep the 1.4x on the 300 so I’ll have the 70-200 and 420 f4 as my primary lenses. I’ll have the 200-600 or the 150-400 as a “need more reach now” backup

We are staying at Notten’s Bush Camp and will have a shared jeep, although 4 of us will be from the same party.


I'm very curious to hear how you find Notten's. I've been considering it for a future trip so please let us know what you think!



Jun 26, 2024 at 06:09 PM
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I'm very curious to hear how you find Notten's. I've been considering it for a future trip so please let us know what you think!


Will do!



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Nottens is a nice area. Will be in Tengile soon again.
Have good traversing rights.
Used to be a regular to lion sands Fish eagle.
You will have a great time. You setup gives you all possibilities. But don‘t forget to make memories also with the naked eye and not through the viewfinder.



Jun 27, 2024 at 03:45 AM
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Interesting that 600 is too long for Sabi Sands.

South Africa was never super high on my list, but I don't quite have a reason why. I should go back to that discussion about African wild dogs, because I think someone suggested South Africa as a reliable location. There have been some seen at Laikipia in Kenya this week (I assume theyve been back for a while).



Jun 27, 2024 at 04:57 AM
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You’ll have a pretty solid chance of seeing wild dogs between Orpen Gate and Satara Camp. Look for them early morning around the dam by the S40 along the Orpen-Satara Road and then from the main gate to Kruger and Orpen Camp. You can also typically spot them along S140 off the S104.

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Interesting that 600 is too long for Sabi Sands.

South Africa was never super high on my list, but I don't quite have a reason why. I should go back to that discussion about African wild dogs, because I think someone suggested South Africa as a reliable location. There have been some seen at Laikipia in Kenya this week (I assume theyve been back for a while).




Jun 27, 2024 at 08:04 AM
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berimbolo wrote:
South Africa was never super high on my list, but I don't quite have a reason why. I should go back to that discussion about African wild dogs, because I think someone suggested South Africa as a reliable location. There have been some seen at Laikipia in Kenya this week (I assume theyve been back for a while).


Madikwe is SA has a few























Jun 27, 2024 at 10:16 AM
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The 600 is only needed for birds.
In the sands you get much closer to wildlife and it is also much denser.
If you are really looking for wild dogs go to Tswalu. High chance to see them and if you are lucky you can be on the ground with them for taking photos.
I was there 3 times in a year. Always found them and saw the cubs growing up.
In the sands there are also wild dogs. Have seen them at 75% of my visits.
But if you are only 2-3 nights in a camp it still can be hit and miss.



Jun 27, 2024 at 11:24 AM
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Also Timbavati.
African Painted Dog 3 by Alan Kefauver, on Flickr



Jun 28, 2024 at 07:41 AM
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Just back home from my first African safari, and what an experience it was. I had my wife and son (10yr old) with me so it was part vacation and part photography. We stayed in three different camps around Kenya. All amazing. The animals, the scenery, the people, it was all above expectations.

I want to say a big thank you to all the safari veterans here who have graciously shared their experiences in this thread, it helped a first timer like me immensely. This is a great resource!

For anyone who's interested, I took two R5's, one with the 400/2.8 and the other with the 100-300/2.8. I also took a 24-70/2.8 and 15-35/2.8. I rarely used the wide angles (as I figured would be the case) but they were invaluable the times I needed them. I took entirely too many batteries and memory cards, but I figured it was better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not.

I'll second what others have said here, the conservancies are far, far better than the parks. At my camp in one of the Mara conservancies, there were a pair of cheetahs out behind our camp, we could actually see them from the lodge. There was a total of one Landcruiser out with them. There were seven lined up in the park on the border waiting for them to cross. This was at 2pm, my guide said later when the afternoon tours came out there were over 20 vehicles following them when they crossed into the park. I went into Amboseli one day, and we found some lions hunting a wildebeast, but there were about 8 other vehicles jockeying for position during the hunt that messed everything up for the lions. It was easy in Amboseli to park in one spot and see 12-15 vehicles driving around. I lost count of the lions we saw in the conservancies, and never had another car with us.

I purchased the freight seat for our Safarilink flights, they did weigh our bags so that probably saved us some hassle. We flew down to Zanzibar for a few days at the end, they fly a Dash-8 for that and I had to check my roller bag with camera gear, but it made it fine. They hassled me in the Zanzibar airport about the weight of my camera backpack, but when I explained it was all camera gear they let it slide. Apparently the carry on limit is 7KG. My backpack was like 12? It fit in the overhead, though! No worries at all with our international flights, I carried on my big Atlas backpack and a carry on size roller and never got a second look.

Anyway, it was an amazing, amazing experience. Two of our stops were with Great Plains lodges, and though pricey I can't say enough about how amazing they were. I'd have done cheaper if it was just me, but the family spent a lot of time in camp so it was more than worth it.

Thanks again to everyone here who has so graciously shared their experiences, it was a huge help to me. We are already thinking about next time...




Jun 29, 2024 at 03:33 PM
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Cduff406 wrote:
Just back home from my first African safari, and what an experience it was. I had my wife and son (10yr old) with me so it was part vacation and part photography. We stayed in three different camps around Kenya. All amazing. The animals, the scenery, the people, it was all above expectations.

I want to say a big thank you to all the safari veterans here who have graciously shared their experiences in this thread, it helped a first timer like me immensely. This is a great resource!

For anyone who's interested, I took two R5's, one with the 400/2.8
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What lodges did you stay at?



Jun 29, 2024 at 04:20 PM
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Cduff406 wrote:
Just back home from my first African safari, and what an experience it was. I had my wife and son (10yr old) with me so it was part vacation and part photography. We stayed in three different camps around Kenya. All amazing. The animals, the scenery, the people, it was all above expectations.

I want to say a big thank you to all the safari veterans here who have graciously shared their experiences in this thread, it helped a first timer like me immensely. This is a great resource!

For anyone who's interested, I took two R5's, one with the 400/2.8
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Great post! I'm really happy to hear you had such a great time on your first safari. I'm not surprised given how you went about it. Spending time in the conservancies with Great Plains is a good choice. They're a top notch outfit. You pay for it, but they have a great reputation for a reason.

Time to plan the next one!



Jun 29, 2024 at 05:04 PM
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We stayed with Great Plains at Old Donyo and Mara Plains, then at Lewa House. It was great seeing three pretty distinctly different parts of Kenya. We were going to look at their new camp in the Mara they are just finishing up, but we got distracted by a leopard...

I can't say enough about how great all their people are, from our driver in Nairobi to everyone at the camps we met. Truly first class.



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