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My whole workflow has changed since the end of the 1DX era when 16fps was max. I used to import everything, select my favorites, and delete the rest. Now, I don't import anything other than my final picks after using PM to cull. All the rest gets deleted.


I'm still doing things the way you used to. Would you mind explaining why you prefer using PhotoMechanic (over Lightroom I assume) to cull? I understand many pros use PM, but I don't know enough about it to know why it is better.



Dec 15, 2024 at 11:21 PM
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I'm still doing things the way you used to. Would you mind explaining why you prefer using PhotoMechanic (over Lightroom I assume) to cull? I understand many pros use PM, but I don't know enough about it to know why it is better.


I was on the road for nearly 3+ years straight and my catalog/catalogs were getting huge, and LR was getting bogged down. I just built up too many catalogs and also too big of catalogs because I don't like to work on a small laptop. So when I'm on the road I find it easier to just open PM and zip through instead of importing the shoot into LR and then culling after the import. There's no need to import into PM, you just open it up and zip right through and it's very quick. Then I get my top picks, delete the rest, and wait until I get home to import/edit on my big displays. I just like the process better for now since it's what I'm used to.



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Everyone here enjoys photographing (seeing) predators while in Africa. Only the hunters seem to have any affection for antelopes, deer and their tribe.

Attached photos are from Wakkerstrom, South Africa - on the wall of the small hotel in town. The owner is a hunter...but it allowed Deborah and me to get a small glimpse (taste?) of the great diversity of grazers/browsers on the continent - and this is just a small selection. If you are a birder, just open any African field guide to find pages of lark (and pipit) species = also grassland "animals".

OK so everyone can find a Wildebeest and a Warthog. But can you ID the Eland, Kudo, Bush Pig, Bontebok and others? There are some on that wall, I have no idea what they are - like that thing with the Elk Horns + deer (straight) antlers.

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Dec 17, 2024 at 01:07 PM
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I can't recommend Pangolin enough. Stellar.
I have done their Chobe/Okavango/Kalahari package and the Great Migration Package, and in Feb I am on the Amboseli/Samburu/Maasai Mara package.

Can't imagine going with anybody else, and it's really great to be with like minded Photographers with no children and no non-photographers. When you are on a sighting, they will stay till everyone has all the shots they want.

Also, their tour booker people made it easy to add Madikwe at Jaci's and Timbavati at Tanda Tula onto the end of the main package. Everything taken care but moving my fat butt through the airports.
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Alan, I am doing some advanced planning for a future trip to Botswana, with the Chobe and Okavango high on the list. A lot to filter through on this thread but there are definite nuggets within! I've been making notes as I go through the thread so I don't think my questions have been answered yet.

You mentioned you have travelled with Pangolin three times. They do look like an exceptional company (I get their emails, check out their videos, tutorials, etc). My questions are:

1) Have you travelled anywhere else in Africa with another company (do you have something to compare Pangolin to)?
2) How do they compare in price to other companies you looked at? They seem like a middle-upper company. Is that their pricing too?
3) What time of year did you do Chobe/Okavango and do you have any regrets with the timing?
4) Was the Kalahari part of their package time well spent or do wish that the time had been spent in Chobe and/or Okavango?
5) I see their photo boat seats eight. How many people are in the vehicles in Chobe? In Kalahari?
6) Madikwe and Timbavati are quite a distance from northern Botswana. What is so compelling about these places as to do them as add-ons?
7) Any other place(s) in the post Pangolin that would be worth adding on (I know Victoria Falls is fairly close)?

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Dec 26, 2024 at 01:17 PM
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In response to the PM's I received about 400mm vs 600mm for Kenya I'll reply here for the sake of keeping gear information in this Safari thread. It is very important to do your homework and research the specific regions you'll be visiting as there might be different preferences for different region/landscapes/terrain, and also conservancies vs NP's. For example, East Africa vs South Africa could have different needs/preferences, etc. I can only speak to Kenya as I've been all over Kenya and I have not ever once wanted my 600mm over my 400mm. In fact, I find myself asking the drivers to backup and get farther away from the animals as the 400 can often be too much. Below are some blurry screen shots from cell phone video shot at 26mm. As you can see the animals all but jump in the vehicle with you. I've had cheetah, leopard, lions, and elephants all come right up within a few feet, or even touch the vehicle. When they get this close I either pull out the cell phone and shoot some video clips or just enjoy the moment being so close as you aren't going to want to be shooting down on the animals with professional gear. For the lion below I was hanging out the side and my hand was less than 3ft from his mouth as he walked straight at me and turned at the last moment when he decided to let me live for another day. It was a pucker moment. The elephant below came over and sniffed us with his trunk and slimed us. These are not rare sightings in Kenya, but being in the conservancies will result in more of these experiences as you can just drive right up. But I've also experienced sightings like these while traveling through NP's on my way to my next destination. So unless I'm shooting birds, the 400mm is plenty and if you take TC's to switch it up you are more than covered. The 400mm will also be a lot less susceptible of experiencing atmospherics/heat shimmer, but it does happen at 400mm.




























Dec 26, 2024 at 03:37 PM
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Alan, I am doing some advanced planning for a future trip to Botswana, with the Chobe and Okavango high on the list. A lot to filter through on this thread but there are definite nuggets within! I've been making notes as I go through the thread so I don't think my questions have been answered yet.

You mentioned you have travelled with Pangolin three times. They do look like an exceptional company (I get their emails, check out their videos, tutorials, etc). My questions are:

1) Have you travelled anywhere else in Africa with another company (do you have something to compare
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1. Once with Odessy Tours. Non-photographic.8 People in a vehicle, "Oh there's a Lion. Let's go. Next"
2. They are not cheap. Current upcoming 3 weeker running $50k for two. (includes all expenses and airfare (Business) and bush planes)
3. Pangolin only books times when the season is best for game viewing. However don't go to Madikwe in Sept. (COLD)
4. The hide in the Kalahari was super. The Chobe/Delta/Kalahari was a well balanced trip.
5. 8 or less in the boats. Usually had 3 or 4 in the Land Cruisers . Often had a row to myself.
6. Went to SA (Madikwe/Timbavati) for Leopards that are rare to non existent on the Chobe etc.
7. Could care less about VF, no animals.
This upcoming trip is Amboseli, Samburu, Mara with Pangolin then going onto Shompole and Lewa as addons. In the contract it says "Custom Game Viewer with 3 guests per vehicle" An overnight 12 hour hide in Shompole.
My kit for this trip.
New-Africa-Bag by Alan Kefauver, on Flickr



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Honestly Chris, having shot in and around Ndutu as much as you have only need the 2 lenses and the TCs. Keeping it simple works.



Happy new year to you all! So, I followed Robert's simplify advice in 2024 and only packed 2 lenses: the 500/R3 and 100-300/R5 (brought TCs but didn't use them) to Ndutu last Feb. and it felt liberating. On my May Patagonia trip walking in snow, I used the R3/100-300 w/2x full time and left the R5/100-500 in the car (more liberating). On my Nov Patagonia trip, I used the R3/100-300 w/1.4x full time (sharper/shaved hiking weight) and ditto for the 2nd rig. So in my quest to simplify/lighten my load even more for Africa (Ndutu 2025) and to feel more confident with the 100-300/2x/1.4x as my main lens (thus leaving the 500/EF 1.4 behind, a first in 20+ visits, and using the 70-200 as my 2nd lens), I'm trying to justify getting the R1 (back to matching bodies/batteries) and, because I'm hoping that the R1's supposedly better AF/IBIS might(?) mitigate some of the sharpness hit from using the 2x on the 100-300 most of the time if needed. Make sense? Any thoughts? Wishful thinking? I hadn't planned on getting the R1 but since they're in stock, I'm obviously try to rationalize this investment decision ~/~. Thanks for your input in advance; and no, I'm not interested in the R5II 'cause I love having the smart controllers/larger batteries.




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I have not read through all previous posts so please forgive me if this has been covered before. I have been to Botswana with Pangolin 5 times. Both in the peak season and, more often on their off season specials. These give you 6 nights at the Pangolin Lodge including boat trips. There are less mammals at the edge of the Chobe River but plenty of birds. The cost is far more reasonable at US$2500 with no single supplement (a big plus for me.) I have just returned from a stay that was hosting by Canon Africa and we got to play with all the latest kit, including the R1. I am returning (from the UK) for another 6 days if February and looking at what they have to offer at the end of the year. My normal kit is an OM 1 mk2 with a selection of lenses including the 150-400. I also have a Canon R5mkii and now an R1. Pangolin will lend you Canon lenses if you don't have them. I believe they have the RF 100-500 and the EF 600 f4. I am planning to take just the Canon kit with my 100-500 and 70-200 f2.8. I must admit to being a bit nervous about not taking the OM with the 150-400 but I can only carry so much.
If money were no object I would visit in peak season but there is over US$ 6000 saving off peak which allows me to go more often



Jan 05, 2025 at 08:14 AM
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Happy new year to you all! So, I followed Robert's simplify advice in 2024 and only packed 2 lenses: the 500/R3 and 100-300/R5 (brought TCs but didn't use them) to Ndutu last Feb. and it felt liberating. On my May Patagonia trip walking in snow, I used the R3/100-300 w/2x full time and left the R5/100-500 in the car (more liberating). On my Nov Patagonia trip, I used the R3/100-300 w/1.4x full time (sharper/shaved hiking weight) and ditto for the 2nd rig. So in my quest to simplify/lighten my load even more for Africa (Ndutu 2025) and to feel more
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IMO you would be better off saving your money and going with two R3's, which would save you $3500 if you buy a nice used R3. You have to decide if precapture, dual slots, and the extra 10fps is worth $3500 to you because in the end you are getting the same 24MP image (some will argue the R1 is worse). I don't see an R1 doing any better with the 100-300 + 2x than the R3 for wildlife, and I don't see a need for the extra 10fps on Safari. I personally like smaller/lighter bodies so I would rather have two matching R3's than an R3/R1. $3500 is a lot to pay for what you get with the R1.



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ChrisHA wrote:
Thanks for your input in advance; and no, I'm not interested in the R5II 'cause I love having the smart controllers/larger batteries.



I'm with you on the larger batteries, but I'm curious, what do you use the smart controller for?

I have an R3, and I disabled dragging on the smart controller after a few weeks because I found I was constantly moving the focus point unintentionally when pressing the smart controller to start AF.



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I'm with you on the larger batteries, but I'm curious, what do you use the smart controller for?

I have an R3, and I disabled dragging on the smart controller after a few weeks because I found I was constantly moving the focus point unintentionally when pressing the smart controller to start AF.


To quickly select/move/change my initial focus point around and to avoid annoying bouncing boxes when the camera tries to grab an eye but selects a cheetah/puma/leopard’s spot or ear (aka slower for my type of subjects). Also, if cubs are running/scampering around/behind a lot of grass/bushes and I see that they’re running towards a clearing, I move my focus point to that part of the frame before they get there and then press the AF On to focus (case 1= +1, so faster acquisition) and then I turn on tracking. Perhaps you’re not a BFF shooter?



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Perhaps you’re not a BFF shooter?


No, I've been a BBF shooter for many years. I use the joy stick to move the focus point around, and only use the smart controller as a button to start AF. When I got my R3 I had great hopes for using the smart controller to move the focus point, but as I said, I found that when I pressed the smart controller to start AF I would unintentionally move the focus point. I guess my finger was sliding slightly on the smart controller while I was pressing it.



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Happy to have found this tread, going to have lots of reading to do. Recently was able to get a decent flight deal from Canada to Kenya end of next month and will be there for about 8 days. Will be first time there and first time doing a safari

Any recommendations for lower cost options while there. More interested on spending the money on what I can see instead of the accommodations. I am good with camping

For gear it looks like I will be brining the following
Sony A1 and probably an A6300 though might upgrade that to an a7iv or a6700
70-200 GMii
200-600



Jan 14, 2025 at 12:11 AM
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Can I get recommendations for the "best" place to go for a first (hopefully of many) African photography safari?

I'm interested in pretty much all kinds of animals, although Hyenas and Wild dogs are pretty low on my list. Certainly the cats, elephants, ungulates, and primates are particularly attractive, and I have no objection to birds (that's what I normally shoot most frequently because they are easiest to find).

I'm leaning towards going with Pangolin, which would "limit" me to the locations they go, but if some other place would be much better for the first trip, I'm open to looking for a different operator.



Jan 14, 2025 at 02:30 AM
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vbnut wrote:
Can I get recommendations for the "best" place to go for a first (hopefully of many) African photography safari?

I'm interested in pretty much all kinds of animals, although Hyenas and Wild dogs are pretty low on my list. Certainly the cats, elephants, ungulates, and primates are particularly attractive, and I have no objection to birds (that's what I normally shoot most frequently because they are easiest to find).

I'm leaning towards going with Pangolin, which would "limit" me to the locations they go, but if some other place would be much better for the first trip, I'm open to looking for
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There is no 'best' since there are so many variables. However, having done most of the popular places - including Botswana multiple times, with Pangolin - IMHO Kenya is the best value for money. The animal density in the Mara is simply the best there is. Yes, it is very crowded, but every place other than private concessions/ranches/conservancies are. It is also a shorter flying time if you are coming from the US.

My wife and I had come here in 2007 for an anniversary event and it was our first trip. I did with a well known Pro and his wife from the US but would never go with them again. PM me if you want to know who and why. We fell in love with Kenya and Africa then.

As for outfits, you can talk with "Expert Africa". They did my solo trip which I am on right now and the service is great with attention to detail that is very high I believe they will get you into a group with other people, although you can also go solo.

Pangolin too does Kenya, but I am not sure. I know they do Tanzania during the migration. The other thing of course is that several of the members here also run informal tours, may wait for their input.

https://www.expertafrica.com/






Jan 14, 2025 at 05:45 AM
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Hi Pyro and VB Nut - yes I am with you on not spending an arm and a leg...and still getting a quality experience. I have two recommendations: (a) a self-drive safari where you rent a vehicle and drive through national parks and reserves yourself. You can probably do such a trip for $100-$150 day on your own if you camp in parks/reserves. Add another $100 (approx) per day if you stay in some lodges. Southern Africa would be perfect for that - South Africa, Botswana and Namibia; (b) a safari "drive" with a local company in Botswana (best place), Zimbabwe or South Africa. You can do one of these for about $275-$400 day and it would include you and the driver in one car, and a second support vehicle that sets up the tent, cooks, breaks down the camp...does your laundry. You would be camping the entire trip - Botswana companies specialize in this kind of trip - you could do the Kalahari, Okavango, Moremi, Chobe, Savuti and more.

Price depends upon what time of the year (for June-October the price would be the highest (for option (b) figure perhaps $400-$550/day). But shoulder seasons such as November-Dec and March-April the prices should come down to what I've listed for (b). You could cut costs even more by adding a second or third person...or helping with camp set up and break down (and cooking).

You don't have to spend an arm and a leg to get a quality experience. If you can do without alcohol...air con in your tent...three course dinners on fancy plates and some heat (November in a tent in mid-day siesta is hot - so you bring one or two rechargeable 7inch portable fans) - you can indeed save money and get to all the great places people mention (and have them to yourself) in southern Africa at least.

I have a contact in Tanzania who is a bird guide...a Maasai guy who grew up in the national parks there. He works with a friend who has a vehicle. Contact me off-list for his info...Tanzania and Kenya are more expensive.

Tanzania and Kenya are not as easy for the independent traveler. Zambia, Zimbabwe are off the beaten track - but might be cost effective depending upon where you want to go and do. If you stick to one lodge just outside a national park, you might be able to do that park for $100-$150 a day (with two safari drives of three hrs into the park each day) in Zambia, Zimbabwe - and we have not even touched Uganda.

Again, the cost will depend upon what time of the year you go...how many people with you...how frugal you want to travel...will you drive yourself or have a company take you (and others?) places?

Bob

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Happy to have found this tread, going to have lots of reading to do. Recently was able to get a decent flight deal from Canada to Kenya end of next month and will be there for about 8 days. Will be first time there and first time doing a safari

Any recommendations for lower cost options while there. More interested on spending the money on what I can see instead of the accommodations. I am good with camping

For gear it looks like I will be brining the following
Sony A1 and probably an A6300 though might upgrade that to an a7iv or a6700
70-200 GMii
200-600



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Primus wrote:
There is no 'best' since there are so many variables. However, having done most of the popular places - including Botswana multiple times, with Pangolin - IMHO Kenya is the best value for money. The animal density in the Mara is simply the best there is. Yes, it is very crowded, but every place other than private concessions/ranches/conservancies are. It is also a shorter flying time if you are coming from the US.

My wife and I had come here in 2007 for an anniversary event and it was our first trip. I did with a well known Pro and
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Leaving on 1/30 for Kenya with Pangolin. Their "Epic Kenya" package. Amboseli, Sumburu, and The Mara. (I added Lewa and Shompole at the end)



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vbnut wrote:
Can I get recommendations for the "best" place to go for a first (hopefully of many) African photography safari?

I'm interested in pretty much all kinds of animals, although Hyenas and Wild dogs are pretty low on my list. Certainly the cats, elephants, ungulates, and primates are particularly attractive, and I have no objection to birds (that's what I normally shoot most frequently because they are easiest to find).

I'm leaning towards going with Pangolin, which would "limit" me to the locations they go, but if some other place would be much better for the first trip, I'm open to looking for
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Leaving on fifth trip soon.
I would say Kenya (Mara/Amboseli) or Tanzania (Serengeti/Ngorengoro Crater)



Jan 14, 2025 at 08:51 AM
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1. Once with Odessy Tours. Non-photographic.8 People in a vehicle, "Oh there's a Lion. Let's go. Next"
2. They are not cheap. Current upcoming 3 weeker running $50k for two. (includes all expenses and airfare (Business) and bush planes)
3. Pangolin only books times when the season is best for game viewing. However don't go to Madikwe in Sept. (COLD)
4. The hide in the Kalahari was super. The Chobe/Delta/Kalahari was a well balanced trip.
5. 8 or less in the boats. Usually had 3 or 4 in the Land Cruisers . Often had a row to myself.
6. Went to SA (Madikwe/Timbavati) for
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Somehow I missed your reply; probably because i tend to review this thread page at a time and make notes and was waiting for page 76 to start, . Anyhow, thank you for the reply.

I really like the look of the Pangolin Tours and what I have read, watched and heard about them. We may be travelling with another couple, which would work great for the vehicle. My question 7 was for the purpose of possibly adding pre- or post-Pangolin stops. My focus is definitely wildlife but I don't mind taking scenic photos (and experiencing such areas). So as to not spend a lot of extra time and extra money on travel within the continent, I was wondering about possible add-ons in Zimbabwe, Zambia and Namibia (worth noting is that our only trip to Africa so far was to Tanzania).

I am open to suggestions!



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vbnut wrote:
Can I get recommendations for the "best" place to go for a first (hopefully of many) African photography safari?

I'm interested in pretty much all kinds of animals, although Hyenas and Wild dogs are pretty low on my list. Certainly the cats, elephants, ungulates, and primates are particularly attractive, and I have no objection to birds (that's what I normally shoot most frequently because they are easiest to find).

I'm leaning towards going with Pangolin, which would "limit" me to the locations they go, but if some other place would be much better for the first trip, I'm open to looking for
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I can't tell you how many times I've heard the saying, "A week in East Africa is like a month in South Africa" - referring to the density of animals and amount of action you experience in front of your lens. With that said, if you want the absolute most out of your Safari from a photography perspective then pick any one of the camps in the Mara conservancies. Primus mentioned Expert Africa and you can see the top 30 camps they rated on their website below. Pick one of these and the animals will be nearly jumping in your vehicle like all of my cell phone screen shots above. I'm sure there might be more wallet friendly ways to go on safari, but it's unlikley to figure it out unless you've been there many times. From my experience of hustling all over Kenya, you get what you pay for on Safari. You do not need to go on a "photo group" safari to maximize your photographic experience. Every one of these camps has experienced guides to put you in front of the action from sun up to sun down. These are the exact same local guides that all the photography based safari tours use to find the same animals when they host groups of photographers. So unless you are not confident in your photography skills or maybe just learning photography and wanting assistance then I would suggest just going on your own and booking with a camp directly through a tour operator. No professoinal photographer host or photgraphic tour is going to find you more magic vs going on your own. A lot of it comes down to luck and how much you want to hustle.

You will see everything there except wild dogs and rhinos (possible but very rare). Lion, Cheetah, Leopard, Zebra, Wildebeest, Buffalo, Elephants, Topi, Impala, Giraffe, Hyena, Jackal, Hippo, birds, plus many more will all be very plentiful in the Mara. As for hyenas, I actually fell in love with them when i learned how intelligent they are and how sophisticated their social structures are. They rank higher than some primates in complex problem solving skills. Their pups are very cute too. If you are lucky enough to photograph a striped hyena in good lighting then consider yourself very lucky. I've only seen a couple of them and they were not in good lighting. Also, wild dogs are harder to find in East Africa so if you see them there that's a great find too. So you can basically expect to come home with tons and tons of great photos of everything I listed above except for Leopard, Wild Dogs, and Rhino. Leopard is likely, but not guaranteed like everythting else. Leopard is what you usually put in the most time looking for.

Pick one of these camps below and you are guaranteed to score. You just need to decide which season you want to go in (wet/green or dry/golden yellow and tan)

Scroll down and click "View all Places" to see all the camps:

https://www.expertafrica.com/kenya/maasai-mara-conservancies



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