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p.76 #1 · African safari talk...recommendations?


Here is another good link (Safari Bookings) that covers all of Africa for Safari trips at different price points...as well as reviews by experts, and trip evaluations by those who have actually done the safari:

https://www.safaribookings.com/tours#ddf=2025-11-06

Trip Advisor is also really good for comments by people who actually stayed at a lodge, or did a safari. Here is a Trip Advisor page for one Botswana company: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g317055-d17149732-Reviews-Travel_Creations_Botswana-Maun_Ngamiland_East_North_West_District.html



Jan 14, 2025 at 07:58 PM
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If you are considering Pangolin then I suggest you also take a look at Wild Eye. They have a more diverse catalog than Pangolin. I highly recommend them if you are looking for a little support on your first safari. I think most photographers can use a bit of instruction on their first trip to Africa. Wild Eye's Mara Camp and Madikwe sessions are very good values. There prices on their other trips are in line if you were to go through specialty travel agency.

As to your question of the best safari place... I would say for serious photographers it's the Maasai Mara. The grasslands of the Serengeti/Mara have a higher carrying capacity than the bush land and deserts found in much of southern Africa. The Maasai Mara over the Serengeti because you can often get closer to the wildlife in Kenya than you can in Tanzania. Also there are more operators catering to photographers in the Mara.



Jan 16, 2025 at 07:41 PM
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I am looking at these links people are sharing and my Ultimate Uganda Trip is way better itinerary for the money lol.


Jan 16, 2025 at 09:57 PM
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big country wrote:
I am looking at these links people are sharing and my Ultimate Uganda Trip is way better itinerary for the money lol.


I would love to do a Uganda Gorilla Trek, but at my age and mobility status, the Trekking part is an issue. The trips that feature Land Cruisers are best for me.

Here's what will sit on the Land Cruiser seat next to me in two weeks. 100mm to 1000mm FFE
Can't wait.
Africa Bag on the seat by Alan Kefauver, on Flickr



Jan 17, 2025 at 08:42 AM
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$300 extra, you can be carried to the gorillas. if you want to see them, now is the time to do it, and i will take you.


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Jan 17, 2025 at 10:34 AM
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wow...prices have gone up! In Nepal we would hire porters to take our equipment (and bones from the butcher for the Bearded Vultures [Lammergeiers]) for $8 for a 30-40 pound load. BTW, Bearded Vultures also occur in southern Africa...in the Drackensberg Mountains of South Africa eg.





Some of the porters (and Henk Smit, now deceased) in Khare, Nepal







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Jan 17, 2025 at 11:59 AM
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OK, I am thinking of planning our first-ever trip to Africa during the next Christmas holidays. I know it may not be an ideal time but with my day job, and my school aged kids, we unfortunately don't have other options. Given that this will be dual purpose for us, i.e., both a family trip and also a wildlife photography Safari trip, I am thinking of heading to South Africa.

I am thinking that we would fly to Johannesburg and spend a day there visiting the city and cultural sites (Apartheid museum, etc.), and then fly to Sabi Sands in the greater Kruger area and spend 5 days there, and then fly to Cape Town and spend 2-3 days there before flying back home.

I am looking at different options regarding lodges and tour companies. And I am looking for some input from those of you have experience in South Africa. I have been in contact with one tour company (which has been mentioned here and has good reviews), and so far I have received two options. One is to spend all 5 nights in Umkumbe Safari Lodge. And the second option is to spend 2 nights in Idube and then 3 nights in Mala Mala. However, the difference in price between these two alternatives for our family of 4 is the whopping $20K, which I am guessing is mostly dominated by the Mala Mala price. So my question is why is that?! Is that truly worth paying $20K extra for the second alternative? I know this can come down to personal situation and preference but I am just wondering, specifically from the perspective of Safari and photography, will the experience with the second alternatives be so much better that would warrant paying $20K more?!!!

I would appreciate any input on the above question, as well as any other advice on our first trip to Africa

Thanks!



Jan 20, 2025 at 02:42 PM
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Mala Mala is nice. But personally i don’t like the lodges. I know the head guide there.
Have a look at andByond. They have lodges there aswell and more traversing rights. Tengile is same money but the other camps are cheaper.
Invest that money in a „private“ safari vehicle instead of sharing with other guest.
Thats really worth the money.
As you have nothing to compare almost every camp in the sands will blow you away because of the location…
Mala Mala has a big name but there are better options for both gameviewing and lodges. And you are willing to spend big money.



Jan 20, 2025 at 03:17 PM
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cambyses wrote:
OK, I am thinking of planning our first-ever trip to Africa during the next Christmas holidays. I know it may not be an ideal time but with my day job, and my school aged kids, we unfortunately don't have other options. Given that this will be dual purpose for us, i.e., both a family trip and also a wildlife photography Safari trip, I am thinking of heading to South Africa.

I am thinking that we would fly to Johannesburg and spend a day there visiting the city and cultural sites (Apartheid museum, etc.), and then fly to Sabi Sands in
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A few thoughts-

All the lodges in Sabi Sands (and Mala Mala) are very nice including the less expensive properties. South African lodges tend to put more emphasis on the lodge experience than in other areas like East Africa. Some call themselves 6 stars instead of 5 stars. This usually means you pay more. Whether that’s worth it is up to you and how much you value the lux lodge and gourmet food.

Now Mala Mala does have the biggest area for game drives in the area which helps justify the price. They also have a long river front with reliably good game viewing including habituated leopards. As you research lodges pay attention to the camp's size and traversing area. This is important in South Africa because many of the private reserves are actually quite small compared to reserves elsewhere in Africa. And I believe Umkumbe is the smallest in the area at 650 hectares. That’s tiny. For comparisons sake, Mala Mala is 20 times bigger at 13,200 hectares and the Maasai Mara National Reserve is 200x bigger at 151,000 hectares. Umkumbe is supposed to be in a great spot with good game viewing but it’s not even on most maps. One operator describes it as a great value for 2 days.

Right now, you have quotes for the biggest (and one the most expensive) and the smallest camps in the area. (I am a bit dubious about a tour company who gave you quotes on these two dissimilar properties at the extremes.) I think you should look at some of the lodges in the middle. For example, several tour operators I sometimes use recommend Notten’s as the best value for people whose biggest priority is game viewing. It’s a classic camp near to Umkumbe and Mala Mala and is big enough for a 4 night stay.

There are also a multitude of other camps in the other reserves like Manyeleti, Timbavati, Thorneybush etc. Because they are not as famous as Sabi Sands the prices are often lower.

An important element to consider when looking at camps is how many guests do they put in the vehicle for game drives. In South Africa, many camps, including some of the lux camps in Sabi Sands, will put 8 or even 9 people in the truck. I think that is too many under any circumstance but it is definitely too many when trying to do photography. I think 3 or 4 people is the max if you are trying to do serious photography. This is why I echo Rytchk’s recommendation to pay for a private vehicle. I suggest staying at a more affordable lodge and then paying for a private vehicle for your family. Not only will you have more room for your equipment but you will also have more control over what animals you look for and how long you stay at a sighting.

This fact sheet from Umkumbe has a handy map that shows the sizes of many of the camps in the greater Kruger.
https://cdn.sanity.io/files/aiiv8u5h/production/b4b682645a2b1018094bda9c2a9754374d64a924.pdf







Jan 21, 2025 at 01:06 AM
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I can highly recommend Dulini in Sabi Sands as a premium lodge (similar to Londolozi) with reasonable rates. Most sabi sands lodges will give a family of four their own vehicle, although you may want to confirm this given you'll be going during a peak period. I'm not sure how much variety you'll really get from staying at two different lodges in the same reserve, but that's my two cents.


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But Dulini starts at $1610 per person per night (based on two people sharing)...so $3200 for a couple...add another $150 per day (per person) for entrance fees to the reserve (and conservation fees)...and about $900 extra per drive if you want a private vehicle. They do have a stay five days ($16,000 +) and get the sixth day free special...


Jan 21, 2025 at 07:21 PM
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cambyses wrote:
OK, I am thinking of planning our first-ever trip to Africa during the next Christmas holidays. I know it may not be an ideal time but with my day job, and my school aged kids, we unfortunately don't have other options. Given that this will be dual purpose for us, i.e., both a family trip and also a wildlife photography Safari trip, I am thinking of heading to South Africa.

I am thinking that we would fly to Johannesburg and spend a day there visiting the city and cultural sites (Apartheid museum, etc.), and then fly to Sabi Sands in
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I can give you my 2c.

I did a similar trip in 2014 with my wife and some friends, total of 7 people. We had the same idea, a cultural visit plus wildlife for me (others too were interested but I was the only 'photographer').

We avoided JNB because of all the reports on crime and safety issues. Instead, we flew to Capetown and spent a few days (4) doing the city and other attractions nearby, We also did the peninsula tour, visit to Robben Island, vineyards, gardens, all of that in a private van with guide. Then we flew to Livingstone, Zambia to see Victoria Falls (2 nights) . Following that we spent 4 nights in Sabi Sands, at Arathusa camp.

All in all, 10 nights plus International travel days, so it is rather long, but you can trim it any way you like. Our cost was around $3700 per person excluding international flights and tips - but remember 2014 prices.

Coming to the Safari part.

Arathusa is a great place for a low-budget safari experience. It is in Sabi Sands, so you have your own reserve, they are also allowed to share the area with another one nearby, so there is plenty of wildlife. we saw several leopards, lions, buffalo, elephants etc. Also had wild dogs. They have good food and guiding. Only problem is that they put 12 (yes, 12) people in each vehicle, it has 4 rows and they put 3 in each row. It is all done to maximize viewing for everyone, so the driver will not reposition the vehicle if you cannot get your shot. The camp is also very nice, there is a local hippo pool which is nice to see. The game drives are short and even they are interrupted by a tea break before you return to camp for breakfast.

On a later trip I went by myself (part of a photo group) to Londolozi. Also in Sabi Sands, needs no introduction, it is a top rated camp. You get your own chef assigned to you for breakfast and lunch. dinner is in a beautiful boma with sand, waiter standing by your table to refill your champagne glass whenever you need it. The food is the best I've had in any safari camp in Africa. Game viewing is excellent, they send out spotters early morning to find out where the leopards are. They also have rhino and all the other species. They do not put more than 3-4 people in each vehicle so it is not pressured either. However, it is phenomenally expensive compared to Arathusa. If I was going only to photograph, I would pick Londolozi. I believe all the top camps in SS are similarly priced.

One other thing, we really enjoyed South Africa, esp Capetown, beautiful city. One must-see place there which is not on any itinerary is the Christian Barnard museum, absolutely mind-blowing.




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Oh, forgot, I've been to SA several times since, in transit to Botswana, Namibia etc, also did Tiger Canyons. With family it is not worth it, but alone, yes.


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rdcny wrote:
But Dulini starts at $1610 per person per night (based on two people sharing)...so $3200 for a couple...add another $150 per day (per person) for entrance fees to the reserve (and conservation fees)...and about $900 extra per drive if you want a private vehicle. They do have a stay five days ($16,000 +) and get the sixth day free special...


The various lodges in Sabi Sands were very nice but honestly I found the reserve to be overrated... especially for the money. You can have the same interactions and see just as much game for a fraction of the cost... unless of course if you're into the whole 5-star treatment which is a different story.



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Ok, a question for you all. I have a lot of experience doing safaris, but I'm doubting on what to pack on the next trip: the RF 400 and converters; that's a given. But will the 100-500 join it, or perhaps the 70-200? I'm leaning towards the 100-500, although I have some really nice shots with the 70-200 (2.8). What do you guys think? FYI, it's the first RF 70-200 so it's not a lens for teleconverters.


Jan 26, 2025 at 06:56 AM
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evertdoorn wrote:
Ok, a question for you all. I have a lot of experience doing safaris, but I'm doubting on what to pack on the next trip: the RF 400 and converters; that's a given. But will the 100-500 join it, or perhaps the 70-200? I'm leaning towards the 100-500, although I have some really nice shots with the 70-200 (2.8). What do you guys think? FYI, it's the first RF 70-200 so it's not a lens for teleconverters.


I shot with the 400mm 2.8 and 70-200mm 2.8 on a number of safaris and I feel it's the best way to go. If you were shooting with a 600mm f/4.0 then I would say bring the 100-500mm along.



Jan 26, 2025 at 07:02 AM
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robert_in_ca wrote:
I shot with the 400mm 2.8 and 70-200mm 2.8 on a number of safaris and I feel it's the best way to go. If you were shooting with a 600mm f/4.0 then I would say bring the 100-500mm along.


Thanks Robert! No 600 here. I have taken some lovely shots a few years back when I brought the 70-200 (along with the 100-500)



Jan 26, 2025 at 07:15 AM
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Leaving Thursday for Kenya. (Amboseli, Samburu, Masai Mara, Lewa, and Shompole) with Pangolin.
Baltimore>Chicago>Frankfurt>Nairobi
Getting excited
This will be my fourth Africa trip. (and probably my last)
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RF 24-105 f/2.8 Z
RF TCs 1.4 X and 2X
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MZ 150-400 f/4.5 +1.25TC
MZ 12-40 f/2.8 Pro (for single camera walkabout at Giraffe Center and Sheldrike Ellie Orphanage)



Jan 26, 2025 at 11:07 AM
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terrific itinerary, and a good bag of gear here! Wishing you a wonderful time there. I'm visiting Amboseli and Samburu too in Feb.


Jan 26, 2025 at 01:26 PM
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Speaking of gear for Sabi Sands area, those of you who have experience there, which one of the following options do you think would work better? These options are based on the gear I have, assuming I won't want to buy or rent any new gear.

Option 1:
Bodies: Sony A1, A9II, and A7RV
Lenses: Tamron 35-150, f/2-2.8, Sony 200-600mm, and Sony 600mm f/4G plus 1.4x TC
Monopod (is it necessary, or should I leave at home?)
Pros:
- 600mm f/4 delivers better IQ, and can also be great if we come across any birds
- One Sony system only: No need to duplicate chargers, memory cards, etc.
Cons:
- One Zoom only. My wife and I cannot shoot with Zooms at the same time.

Option 2:
Bodies: Sony A1 and A7RV, Nikon Z9
Lenses: Tamron 35-150, f/2-2.8, Sony 200-600mm, Nikon 180-400 f/4E (w/ integrated 1.4x TC)
Monopod (if needed)
Pros:
- Both myself and my wife can have a Zoom which, based on what I have read, can be extremely useful in Sabi Sands. I would mostly shoot with Z9+180-400 and my wife would mostly shoot with A1+200-600.
Cons:
- Two systems: Sony and Nikon. Adds to accessories.
- No 600mm f/4G

From the total weight perspective, the two options are somewhat similar.

So those of you with experience in Sabi Sands, which option would you go with? I think it really boils down to how useful 600mm f/4 would be, and the extra hassle of carrying two vs. one camera system.

Thanks...



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