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Why will it probably be your last?

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Leaving Thursday for Kenya. (Amboseli, Samburu, Masai Mara, Lewa, and Shompole) with Pangolin.
Baltimore>Chicago>Frankfurt>Nairobi
Getting excited
This will be my fourth Africa trip. (and probably my last)
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Jan 27, 2025 at 11:29 AM
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Speaking of gear for Sabi Sands area, those of you who have experience there, which one of the following options do you think would work better? These options are based on the gear I have, assuming I won't want to buy or rent any new gear.

Option 1:
Bodies: Sony A1, A9II, and A7RV
Lenses: Tamron 35-150, f/2-2.8, Sony 200-600mm, and Sony 600mm f/4G plus 1.4x TC
Monopod (is it necessary, or should I leave at home?)
Pros:
- 600mm f/4 delivers better IQ, and can also be great if we come across any birds
- One Sony system only: No need to duplicate
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If you are going to be in a Land Cruiser on game drives, a monopod is really a no go. I saw one guy with one, and he was always trying to position it and annoying others. He finally gave up and used the bean bags like the rest of us.
Just my $0.02




Jan 27, 2025 at 01:21 PM
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Although having two different systems is annoying, I think having two zooms would be much more useful than the 600mm. In my experience, 100-400mm is the sweet spot for Sabi and I think you'd be surprised how little you'd use the 600mm. In my mind, having the brighter zoom with more flexibility is the much better choice. Maybe that changes a bit if you have your own driver and can position as needed, but still would lean towards the latter option.


Jan 27, 2025 at 02:56 PM
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If you are going to be in a Land Cruiser on game drives, a monopod is really a no go. I saw one guy with one, and he was always trying to position it and annoying others. He finally gave up and used the bean bags like the rest of us.
Just my $0.02



Thanks... Do they provide bean bags there? Or should I take my empty bean bags and fill them up there?




Jan 27, 2025 at 04:01 PM
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Thanks... Do they provide bean bags there? Or should I take my empty bean bags and fill them up there?



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Jan 28, 2025 at 12:08 PM
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Please save me from such things. I realize in order to serve the volume of people needed, such tourist stuff is needed. But to call that a Safari?

"Sio kwa maoni yangu"



Jan 28, 2025 at 12:35 PM
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cambyses wrote:
Speaking of gear for Sabi Sands area, those of you who have experience there, which one of the following options do you think would work better? These options are based on the gear I have, assuming I won't want to buy or rent any new gear.

Option 1:
Bodies: Sony A1, A9II, and A7RV
Lenses: Tamron 35-150, f/2-2.8, Sony 200-600mm, and Sony 600mm f/4G plus 1.4x TC
Monopod (is it necessary, or should I leave at home?)
Pros:
- 600mm f/4 delivers better IQ, and can also be great if we come across any birds
- One Sony system only: No need to duplicate
...Show more


Unless you are into birds, there is not much use for a dedicated 600mm lens. Most animals are close enough for shorter lenses.

Taking two systems is a real pain, I've done that a few times and each trip I cursed myself for taking all those bodies and different lenses. Unless you are a pro at juggling different systems it can be counter-productive. My muscle memory is not so good and I tend to fumble with the controls unless they are all in the same place and do the same things.

On my recent trip to Kenya I took the 400 2.8, 70-200 2.8 and a 24-70 2.8. The most used was the 70-200, the 400 saw only 10-15% of the action. I had taken a 1.4x with me but took it off after a single use, it was not needed at all.

If you can, the best strategy is to keep the lenses mounted on different bodies and just pick up whichever rig you need. I have them all inside dry sacks to prevent dust etc, it is so easy to just slip off the cover and start shooting. While in the vehicle, I have them sitting inside a roller (carry on size) with the lid closed. There are dividers inside that keep them from talking to each other. Over the years I've found this system to work best in the field.

With the monopod, it is usually best not to take it with you anywhere in Africa, but strangely, in Sabi Sands, some of the vehicles do not have a window sill or a bar in the right place, so no place to keep your bean bags or rest your cameras. You then have to hand hold the rig, which can be painful after a while. So perhaps this is the only place where a monopod would be useful. At least that was my experience.



Jan 28, 2025 at 08:58 PM
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I can't speak for South Africa but someone PM'd me this video link and said "Fro agrees with you", based on how adamant I've been about not needing a 600mm in Kenya. Watch the first minute as this is exacty what a lot of us here have been saying:





Jan 28, 2025 at 10:11 PM
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Primus wrote:
Unless you are into birds, there is not much use for a dedicated 600mm lens. Most animals are close enough for shorter lenses.

Taking two systems is a real pain, I've done that a few times and each trip I cursed myself for taking all those bodies and different lenses. Unless you are a pro at juggling different systems it can be counter-productive. My muscle memory is not so good and I tend to fumble with the controls unless they are all in the same place and do the same things.

On my recent trip to Kenya I took the
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Thank you. Trouble is I am actually more of a bird shooter than other wildlife (as reflected in most of the images I have posted in different threads here). But we have now changed our plans and may be going there in June instead of December. And in June I don’t think there would be many migratory birds. And I am not sure how many resident local birds we would come across in our game drives.

Still, given my interest in birds, and given the hassle and inconvenience of carrying two systems, I am getting inclined towards taking my 600mm. So I would have three setups; most likely A1+600, A7R5+200-600, and A9II+35-150. And would put two of the thee in my backpack (MindShift BackLight 36L) next to me.



Jan 29, 2025 at 12:33 AM
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cambyses wrote:
Thank you. Trouble is I am actually more of a bird shooter than other wildlife (as reflected in most of the images I have posted in different threads here). But we have now changed our plans and may be going there in June instead of December. And in June I don’t think there would be many migratory birds. And I am not sure how many resident local birds we would come across in our game drives.

Still, given my interest in birds, and given the hassle and inconvenience of carrying two systems, I am getting inclined towards taking my 600mm.
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That would work. The two zooms will cover everything and the big lens would be good for low-light birding. You will still see some birds. I had gone there in June too and indeed there were fewer birds than another time in October. Still, there are some delights to be had.



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cambyses wrote:
Thank you. Trouble is I am actually more of a bird shooter than other wildlife (as reflected in most of the images I have posted in different threads here). But we have now changed our plans and may be going there in June instead of December. And in June I don’t think there would be many migratory birds. And I am not sure how many resident local birds we would come across in our game drives.

Still, given my interest in birds, and given the hassle and inconvenience of carrying two systems, I am getting inclined towards taking my 600mm.
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If you are primarily a birder I would definitely make sure to get your own vehicle to avoid conflict with other passengers who are after big cats or the big five.



Jan 29, 2025 at 01:30 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
I can't speak for South Africa but someone PM'd me this video link and said "Fro agrees with you", based on how adamant I've been about not needing a 600mm in Kenya. Watch the first minute as this is exacty what a lot of us here have been saying:


South Africa, unlike Kenya or Tanzania doesn't have vast open plans and tends to have a lot of thorny trees a thick bush everywhere. I didn't have a 600mm prime this time around but I still shot this leopard a few days ago at 600mm. Overall I would say I am 70/30 on not having a dedicated 600mm vs having a zoom lens or TC added to a shorter focal length to get you to 600mm.






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Jan 29, 2025 at 03:15 PM
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robert_in_ca wrote:
South Africa, unlike Kenya or Tanzania doesn't have vast open plans and tends to have a lot of thorny trees a thick bush everywhere. I didn't have a 600mm prime this time around but I still shot this leopard a few day ago at 600mm. Overall I would say I am 70/30 on not having a dedicated 600mm vs having a zoom lens or TC added to a shorter focal length to get you to 600mm.


Nice leh-pud. And 540mm would have worked well with your 400TC as well. That's why I think the 70-200 + 400 with TC's is the best combo, or now your featherweight 300 with TC's is a great combo too.



Jan 29, 2025 at 03:31 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Nice leh-pud. And 540mm would have worked well with your 400TC as well. That's why I think the 70-200 + 400 with TC's is the best combo, or now your featherweight 300 with TC's is a great combo too.


Yeah the 400TC at 560mm would have nailed it, especially shooting with a 45mp sensor camera. But I have to admit the weight and size reduction of the 300mm has been pretty choice!



Jan 29, 2025 at 03:36 PM
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robert_in_ca wrote:
Yeah the 400TC at 560mm would have nailed it, especially shooting with a 45mp sensor camera. But I have to admit the weight and size reduction of the 300mm has been pretty choice!


Oops, I made a typo but yes I agree that little 300 is a sweet swiss army knife. I wish Canon would make one too, even though I still have the 100-300.



Jan 29, 2025 at 03:58 PM
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Hi all. Just got back from Kenya yesterday and struggling significantly with the jet lag! Posted some of the images I captured in the Nature & Wildlife forum here:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1889578/




Jan 29, 2025 at 04:40 PM
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VKM2F wrote:
Hi all. Just got back from Kenya yesterday and struggling significantly with the jet lag! Posted some of the images I captured in the Nature & Wildlife forum here:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1889578/



Looks like you got some good stuff and I bet you crossed paths with another FM'er who was just there. Looks like the grass is really tall up in Laikipia and good to see Giza is still hanging out. Are either of her cubs melanistic? As for the "neighbor", there was some serious drama last time I was there and it involved the neighbor and Giza. I just happened to get caught right in the middle of it as a witness and the guides got me involved to take photos of her and her crew performing a nasty act with my 800mm. The guides then took my photos and circulated them along with the story to the local communities and give her a "warning". After seeing this first hand, I've always worried they would do something to cause Giza to move on to a different territory. I'm really happy she is still showing her face.

You got a decent photo of the striped hyena, much better than mine. He was off in the distance under the headlights when I saw him. It could be the same one who hangs around camp. They are pretty rare and hard to photograph so good job.

Looks like some tall grass in Amboseli as well. It's amazing how famous Craig is and how many of us have spent quality time with him. The other FM'er who I'm sure will be posting soon just spent some quality time with him as well. I'm really curious if you were there watching each other take turns...

The lakebed is usually not accessible this time of the year so it looks like you found some areas on the perimeter or was the lakebead actually dry??

Nice mock charge, those always get the adrenline going. Looks like you had a nice trip, and nice work.




Jan 29, 2025 at 05:09 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Looks like you got some good stuff and I bet you crossed paths with another FM'er who was just there. Looks like the grass is really tall up in Laikipia and good to see Giza is still hanging out. Are either of her cubs melanistic? As for the "neighbor", there was some serious drama last time I was there and it involved the neighbor and Giza. I just happened to get caught right in the middle of it as a witness and the guides got me involved to take photos of her and her crew performing a nasty act with
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Giza's cubs are both spotted, I was told.

The lake bed was quite accessible as Jan/Feb is the short dry season. The couple of days of rain was very unusual and made some of it too wet to pass, unfortunately. The elephants come and go as they please and head in all directions so I often found them in other areas as well.

Thanks for the kind words!



Jan 29, 2025 at 05:27 PM
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Giza's cubs are both spotted, I was told.

The lake bed was quite accessible as Jan/Feb is the short dry season. The couple of days of rain was very unusual and made some of it too wet to pass, unfortunately. The elephants come and go as they please and head in all directions so I often found them in other areas as well.

Thanks for the kind words!


The last couple years have been rains and my buddy there said it's been muddy, so that's why I asked. Nice to hear you got some dry days out there as it's one of my favorite places to play around.



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VKM2F wrote:
Giza's cubs are both spotted, I was told.



Darn! Would have been nice to have a melanistic cub take over her territory.



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