pmeheut wrote:
Thanks for the tip but in this case, I'm not convinced.
Top left is default C1 profile, top right is Cobalt Neutral, bottom left is Cobalt Standard bottom right, bottom right is jpeg.
As far as I'm concerned, Cobalt profiles are the worst here...
I have only used that Cobalt-Image profiles for the M10 but, as I said, those were so good for images with difficult light and colors that I'm surprised by your conclusion with the M11 profiles. Perhaps it's worthwhile to PM @Ulysseita, who has been responding to questions in the Cobalt-Image thread, to ask why.
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The more I used M11, the more I like it. especially at 18M, I never saw a sensor has this type of DR (pixel level ) and you may never see one like it given no one will optimized DR for low resolution sensor. LR edit was a breeze, image review was fast and pleasing. I love its color too but need time to find a better way to do portraits.
Some random samples to bring this thread on track.
Mitch Alland wrote:
I have only used that Cobalt-Image profiles for the M10 but, as I said, those were so good for images with difficult light and colors that I'm surprised by your conclusion with the M11 profiles. Perhaps it's worthwhile to PM @Ulysseita@, who has been responding to questions in the Cobalt-Image thread, to ask why.
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I am very happy with the Cobalt profiles for M11. The colors are spot-on in LrC.
I'm a long time lurker on the forum (like, loooong time!). I traded in my M10-P and Q2, for an M11 which should arrive in February. However the technical chatter on thread has me regretting it. Sigh. GAS eh?
omarg wrote:
I'm a long time lurker on the forum (like, loooong time!). I traded in my M10-P and Q2, for an M11 which should arrive in February. However the technical chatter on thread has me regretting it. Sigh. GAS eh?
If you dont need tilt EVF with better resolution, Less shutter lag in LV/EVF mode, 1.5 stop extra DR, shooting f1~f1.4 glass at ISO64 ( or with 1/16000S), a E shutter for higher technical sharpness on tripod shooting, 60M for printing for fun. Or, you think above improvements don't worth the cost, Then you might regret
omarg wrote:
I'm a long time lurker on the forum (like, loooong time!). I traded in my M10-P and Q2, for an M11 which should arrive in February. However the technical chatter on thread has me regretting it. Sigh. GAS eh?
Welcome to world of converted lurkers ... glad you finally arrived.
omarg wrote:
I'm a long time lurker on the forum (like, loooong time!). I traded in my M10-P and Q2, for an M11 which should arrive in February. However the technical chatter on thread has me regretting it. Sigh. GAS eh?
Nothing is perfect and this nitpicking (of which I am also guilty) is typical for every new M. There is nothing in the images I've seen from the M11 so far (mostly over at LUF and ignoring some obviously poor post processing choices and/or skills in some examples), that would make me regret it, if I had one.
And today, I took some images with Leica R 100mm APO. Will share some Later. I can’t live without tilt EVF now. This creates a problem that whenever I bring M, I have to bring that EVF. It is incomplete without it. I believe I will be trashed by Leica M users here and not welcomed in M crowds anymore hopefully I will get over this fever.
Man, do I love it.
zhangyue wrote:
If you dont need tilt EVF with better resolution, Less shutter lag in LV/EVF mode, 1.5 stop extra DR, shooting f1~f1.4 glass at ISO64 ( or with 1/16000S), a E shutter for higher technical sharpness on tripod shooting, 60M for printing for fun. Or, you think above improvements don't worth the cost, Then you might regret
Anf if you like long-exposure photography, with M11 you are in for a treat .
Here are a set of M11 with 100mm APO Elmarit R as promised. These are all JPG out of camera (BW contrast -2, sharpness -1), however, to keep highlight away from blow out, some of them were under exposure 2 or more stop so I have to lift exposure in lightroom with a little tone curve adjustment to bring back contrast. (only for some)
Most of them are from high DR scene, it is quite tough for any camera, not to say JPG. M11 did wonderful here.
I keep the RAW but don't want or have the time on them. I love the M11 BW JPEG and can leave them untouched most of time if not super high DR scene some shown here.
And here are a few 35mm lux ASPH using RF. EVF for sunstar check.
These are from RAW with minimal adjust with embed M11 profile in lightroom. No local adjustment. Harsh light.
Now that M is at "MF" resolution, how do you see the two systems working for you? Will you just use the M11 at 18MP for "M" type shots? Just curious because you've posted some really lovely S images recently to the MF image thread. Theoretically the M11 could supplant it as a more compact travel/destination system.
zhangyue wrote:
And today, I took some images with Leica R 100mm APO. Will share some Later. I can’t live without tilt EVF now. This creates a problem that whenever I bring M, I have to bring that EVF. It is incomplete without it. I believe I will be trashed by Leica M users here and not welcomed in M crowds anymore hopefully I will get over this fever.
Man, do I love it.
Michael, you are dead to me....... hahahahahahahaha
Gordon
p.s. The EVF and live view shooting IS the upgrade for me. I like my M's. I also like my Q2 in manual focus. I just wish it was a 50. So *when* I get my EVF I think I'll be the same although not adapting as much. The EVF will be a constant companion.
rscheffler wrote:
Michael: will you keep your S system?
Now that M is at "MF" resolution, how do you see the two systems working for you? Will you just use the M11 at 18MP for "M" type shots? Just curious because you've posted some really lovely S images recently to the MF image thread. Theoretically the M11 could supplant it as a more compact travel/destination system.
For sure keep S. None is better for me. M11 doesn't change that at all. TBH, I don't feel M11 is too much different than m10 in term of excitement or it bring more joy. M10P feel more excited at the time I got it compare to early M. S is a very different system, it almost feel like a customized system per my request, not D850, GFX50S,100S, Hassy X1DII or M11 can change that. I prefer S's file to any file I touched as well and develop a long love relationship with it. It has been almost 8 years since I got S system but never a single moment I want to sell it and I have zero desire to upgrade actually. I even downgrade to 006 from 007 for better ergo and control for my use as I feel the camera is complete for me 8 years ago even with its limitation. I am patiently waiting for MILC version of S to run parallel with SLR form in the future.
M11 is a very lethal tool for technical IQ now (though this is not the first camera for me with that) that I can bring it with SL line which make a good complement for travel.
Based on color images, I dont feel I have a grip on it yet. The file looks "digital" to me. Maybe it is from harsh light I dealt with. I have the similar feeling with D850/Z7 or GFX files. the more capable camera is, the more attention needed for process IMHO as you tend to overuse the capability unavoidably.
flash wrote:
Michael, you are dead to me....... hahahahahahahaha
Gordon
p.s. The EVF and live view shooting IS the upgrade for me. I like my M's. I also like my Q2 in manual focus. I just wish it was a 50. So *when* I get my EVF I think I'll be the same although not adapting as much. The EVF will be a constant companion.
Hope we all have good humors and some tolerances.
I would say it is not any single item of EVF, less shooting delay, resolution or tilt make me want use it but a total package make this a feasible way to use for me finally. The tilt function make it even preferred than other MILC cameras such as SL2/S. it is still a honeymoon period with m11,. You tend to try new function with new "toy" and I am sure I will use RF a lot more in the future.
If you look those 100mm leaf or flower images, those are not the type of M images I would took at this focal, I will double check every of them if I shoot 90 APOM with RF. And my shooting position will be awkward without tilt.
If people don't see themselves use those add on, then M10x is good as is.
) and you may never see one like it given no one will optimized DR for low resolution sensor. LR edit was a breeze, image review was fast and pleasing. I love its color too but need time to find a better way to do portraits. 
hopefully I will get over this fever. 
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