Eyedropper check on 3 meter. Infinity results slightly diff, but same story.
Approximately equitable on opposing L-R checkpoints, just easy viewing side by side.
Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm surprising by these results based on the chatter about the M11 being able to provide lower vignetting compared to previous models.
All of the initial reviews I saw used the camera 'normally' and it is assumed lens profiles were set automatically in-camera in the manner in which the majority of users will with their cameras. Perhaps this is the basis for some reviewers declaring the M11 shows less? That said, i'd be surprised if the M11's lens profiles lift vignetting substantially more than previous generations.
This time with the Leica 28mm f/2 Summicron wide open at 3m and infinity distance. (M11 vs M10-P)
Thanks again to @zhangyue@@ for providing the DNG files.
The 35/1.4 FLE showed only slight higher vignetting for the M11 compared to the M10-P but I see a more pronounced vignetting with the wider 28/2 Cron. Perhaps we will see even higher vignetting with wider than 28mm lenses.
It would be interesting to see a comparison with the 21/3.4 SEM and CV 15/4.5 III lenses.
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Was lens detection left on? Leica could be baking in light falloff correction to the M10 variants' DNGs; and if so, it's possible they stopped doing that on the M11 due to the BSI sensor.
They were all with lens profile off during shooting. As Fred mentioned, he did also clean the raw file to remove anything baked in.
The difference is minor I have to say. Depend on what you shooting and distance of subject,( usually stop down for landscape and WO used within 2M distance) most likely it is non issue.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Was lens detection left on? Leica could be baking in light falloff correction to the M10 variants' DNGs; and if so, it's possible they stopped doing that on the M11 due to the BSI sensor.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Was lens detection left on? Leica could be baking in light falloff correction to the M10 variants' DNGs; and if so, it's possible they stopped doing that on the M11 due to the BSI sensor.
I have disclosed that I have run the DNG files through "DNG cleaner" which strips all possible corrections in-camera (All opcodes). So, that's really how the sensor performs.
FYI.
In the German Leica Forum, user Thomas Berger posted a comparison of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 with the Super-Angulon 3,4/21mm mounted.
The lens cast has been practically eliminated in M11, while with M10 cameras, one should still use the Cornerfix application to eliminate cast.
(not sure if posting links to other forums is appropriate, so avoiding it).
SrMi wrote:
In the German Leica Forum, user Thomas Berger posted a comparison of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 with the Super-Angulon 3,4/21mm mounted.
The lens cast has been practically eliminated in M11, while with M10 cameras, one should still use the Cornerfix application to eliminate cast [...]
WHOW thats cool ! The 21/3.4 is definitely a legend.
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Sauseschritt wrote:
WHOW thats cool ! The 21/3.4 is definitely a legend.
Note this is with the 21 f/3.4 super-angulon, not the 21 f/3.4 SEM (or Asph). The older super-angulon did especially poor on digital, until apparently now when the Leica M11 helps. The 21 f/3.4 SEM does very well on M10 cameras without conerfix.
SrMi wrote:
I do not remember, but see the link to Jim Kasson's article for test details.
Okay! I think I managed to put some numbers together here. Like you I used the M11 in electronic shutter mode to take a picture of a lit lamp in a dark room with a 60Hz LED bulb and was able to clearly see and count the bands/scan lines in the image. *The key for me was to do this test in a dark room. Previously I was testing with the lit LED lamp in the day light and couldn't see the bands.
The frame showed 12 bands/scan lines. From what I read, a light bulb using alternating current at 60Hz turns on and off 120 times per second, so I divided 120 by 12 bands = 1/10 or as you wrote, M11 sensor read out speed is 1/10.
Not sure many care about this, but I wanted to work this out since I do like to use electronic shutter mode when I can, particularly since I enjoy 0,95 photography in daylight conditions. I've tested a few hundred frames using electronic shutter by now on stationary event performers posing for the camera with pretty good results--any movement of course results in the jello effect.
I agree with most of what he said, except that I don't think it's best to always shoot in electronic mode. (no shutter, zero sound)
That would allow faster shutter speeds but introduce others issues like banding and rolling shutter.
What I really dislike about this approach is that without a mechanic shutter feel and sound, the shooting experience would be affected, at least to me. He believes Leica will completely remove the mechanical shutter in future M cameras.
Fred Miranda wrote:
I agree with most of what he said, except that I don't think it's best to always shoot in electronic mode. (no shutter, zero sound)
That would allow faster shutter speeds but introduce others issues like banding and rolling shutter.
What I really dislike about this approach is that without a mechanic shutter feel and sound, the shooting experience would be affected, at least to me. He believes Leica will completely remove the mechanical shutter in future M cameras.
You can always add in a faux shutter sound like an X100. I have it set so my family and dogs know when the picture is over.
Mirrorless, global shutter, with dual pixel…
Do your contacts have any insight into when global shutter chips will be coming?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I agree with most of what he said, except that I don't think it's best to always shoot in electronic mode. (no shutter, zero sound)
That would allow faster shutter speeds but introduce others issues like banding and rolling shutter.
What I really dislike about this approach is that without a mechanic shutter feel and sound, the shooting experience would be affected, at least to me. He believes Leica will completely remove the mechanical shutter in future M cameras.
M11-P ... put the grayscale shutter blades back in place.
I watched the Overgaard video. My wife HATES his monotone. He says that you should always use the electronic shutter unless the lights will strobe, or action shots. Not really sure about that. Yes, its silent... I really don't care 99% of the time. The potential for a jacked image due to the delay is way more of an issue than a silent shutter.
I have the electronic shutter on my X100T and I don't think I've ever used it. It has a built in ND filter.
Until you get global read out, I think the new shutter/meter/ES is a mistake. Maybe if you could have incorporated a global shutter with reduced pixel count, like the 18MP level, that might have been interesting.
If Monochrome version people are more traditional, I don't see the new system really appealing to them.
Of course, I'd be fine if they would get rid of the motor drive and brought back the lever advance. Use that space more more battery, and of course less draw on the battery- It could run forever on a charge
