Based on the last 2 numbers, the A7R5 IBIS is between 4.8x and 7.3x better, so between 2.2 and 2.86 steps better.
According to the CIPA test, it's 8 steps vs 5.5 steps (2.5 steps better), the measurements seem to validate it.
Thank you very much for the link.
Can someone do a summary on the IBIS part when the feller is running? My Spanish ain't what it used to be.
Based on the last 2 numbers, the A7R5 IBIS is between 4.8x and 7.3x better, so between 2.2 and 2.86 steps better.
According to the CIPA test, it's 8 steps vs 5.5 steps (2.5 steps better), the measurements seem to validate it.
Good video! One of the best explanations of many of the new A7r5 features I've seen to date. Thanks for posting.
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octo wrote:
You're welcome. Very good point. The problem is that the lens used in this test had OSS too, 70-200GM II. So it would be good to see tests with lenses that don't have OSS. At least the CIPA rating was obtained using the 50mm f1.2 GM which doesn't have OSS.
I thought I read that Sony does not combine the lens OSS and the body stabilization.
p.19 #5 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
LBJ2 wrote:
Try using the YouTube subtitles auto-translate feature. Not a perfect translation, but good enough.
He has made another interesting video where he compares the AF subject selection vs the A1
some good comparison for the animals: https://youtu.be/wutX3kwiRW8?t=720
(and you can also use auto translate French->English in YT)
He also mentioned a ~1-stop noise performance improvement compared to the A7RIV, in Jpeg. His version of the firmware didn't allow RAW yet. So not sure if the Jpeg processing has improved (with some sort of noise AI removal) , or if the sensor is somehow better.
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Fboss wrote:
He has made another interesting video where he compares the AF subject selection vs the A1
some good comparison for the animals: https://youtu.be/wutX3kwiRW8?t=720
(and you can also use auto translate French->English in YT)
He also mentioned a ~1-stop noise performance improvement compared to the A7RIV, in Jpeg. His version of the firmware didn't allow RAW yet. So not sure if the Jpeg processing has improved (with some sort of noise AI removal) , or if the sensor is somehow better.
Wow, that's a massive difference in subject recognition (in "Wide" AF I guess)!
It also matches A7RV promo video, where they mention busy scenes and different poses/angles.
I think once you point A1 to the subject it's pretty resilient, but it seems A7RV is even more so. It probably changes a bit with dynamic movement...
This page shows the list of lenses that allow for SYNC IS with the A7R5:
SEL24105G: We plan to provide support with the lens software scheduled for release in November 2022.
SEL70200GM2: We plan to provide support with the lens software scheduled for release in November 2022.
SEL100400GM: We plan to provide support with the lens software scheduled for release in November 2022.
SEL200600G: We plan to provide support with the lens software scheduled for release in November 2022.
So, a lens firmware update will be required, and then you can expect the IS to be even better!
Sony says the following 3 points regarding stabilization:
1) Advanced 5-axis in-body optical stabilization The α7R V has been upgraded to offer up to 8 steps of stabilization(8) in the body alone, for the first time in the α series. This achieves effective stabilization for slow-shutter shots of interiors or night scenes where it is preferable to avoid the need for increased sensitivity.
2) A new stabilization algorithm provides precise detection and control right down to the single-pixel level, taking full advantage of the sensor's 61.0 megapixel(9) resolution to bring out the finest subject details.
3) Active Mode(24) provides strong image stabilization for handheld movie shooting. In addition to in-body stabilization, compatible lenses with their own built-in image stabilization(25) coordinate with the camera body for highly effective control, allowing even handheld telephoto shots.
Footnotes:
1) CIPA standards. Pitch/yaw shake only. FE 50mm F1.2 GM. Long exposure NR off.
2) ...
3) the link I gave above was found here
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Any confirmation that AF tracking exceeds the A1 as that maybe a very important upgrade over the A1 for me. I need more info on variable shutter , LED and anti flicker stuff plus flash sync speed if all that matches my A1 it could work for me.
p.19 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
I probably missed some posts, pardon if I am repeating. The a7Rv looks very inviting. I would have purchased an a7iv if not for the articulating screen.
I shoot mostly landscape and close focus/macro. The new Rv features most important to me are:
Focus Bracketing, Live DMF, 8 stops IBIS, and tiltable screen.
The focus bracketing is a nice feature, finally. I do hope the 8 stops IBIS will allow focus bracketing for handheld shots? Manual focus bracketing pretty much requires a tripod. Perhaps the AI focus can also adjust focus bracket settings automatically? That would be cool.
For me, the live DMF is another great addition. The 90mm macro can switch between AF and MF with the focus ring, but in MF it does not track where the AF was. Hence, live DMF is better in that case.
EVF resolution, if the scene pushes the sensor into the noise region, no matter the EVF resolution, the EVF is going to be granular. However, I have recently been shooting some film with OVF. EVF sure has come a long way and I don't miss the dim OVF any more, even if the EVF is granular in low light.
New features in older cameras:
As an embedded SW engineer, I know that once a product is on the market, the FW updates become focused on critical bug fixes, not features. New features, no matter how simple they seem, run the risk of breaking something. Focus bracketing, for example, is not complicated, but just having to add menu items for it can create other support issues, ... or perhaps it breaks some other focus feature, or now they have to add every lens characteristic into a database in the camera to make it work properly,... and then there is testing it for all those lenses... I don't like it, but I understand the reluctance to touch a working system due to SW complexity and engineering resources needed to make it robust. With an existing product, adding a new feature probably takes 10% to write the code and 90% to test and debug it.
Don't think it has the advanced shutter that the a1 has... Specifically it has lower flash sync speed.
GMPhotography wrote:
Any confirmation that AF tracking exceeds the A1 as that maybe a very important upgrade over the A1 for me. I need more info on variable shutter , LED and anti flicker stuff plus flash sync speed if all that matches my A1 it could work for me.
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Thanks Tim I will look into it more. The Speed of the A1 is lovely but not as important as others needs. 10fps is fine for me. If I did do it than extra money for a lens. But not sure it’s a good move either. I’m thrilled with the A1
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GMPhotography....my dude. C'mon man! You switch gear more than anyone I've seen on the internet. Some would say you get extreme GAS, lol.
The A1 is a superb camera. Better than the R5 in several ways. If I had an A1 I would hold on to it for the inevitable A2 upgrade that is going to have all the features of the R5 and then some. Or even an A9iii which will probably have the same upgrades and most likely the 33MP sensor from the AIV. There's also the long shot it may get some of the upgrades via updates.
p.19 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
Meant shutter sync speed. Yeah, 10 FPS is plenty for me too…
GMPhotography wrote:
Thanks Tim I will look into it more. The Speed of the A1 is lovely but not as important as others needs. 10fps is fine for me. If I did do it than extra money for a lens. But not sure it’s a good move either. I’m thrilled with the A1
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Dultimate wrote:
GMPhotography....my dude. C'mon man! You switch gear more than anyone I've seen on the internet. Some would say you get extreme GAS, lol.
The A1 is a superb camera. Better than the R5 in several ways. If I had an A1 I would hold on to it for the inevitable A2 upgrade that is going to have all the features of the R5 and then some. Or even an A9iii which will probably have the same upgrades and most likely the 33MP sensor from the AIV. There's also the long shot it may get some of the upgrades via updates.
yea it keeps me from getting bored sometimes. I do like to compare just in case a feature set may make a difference but starting to see the R5 is not really there for my needs. Sony seems to throw a feature or two that is compelling sometimes but it’s not a A1
p.19 #15 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)
I’m tossed on if I should order it. Shoot with a7r3 right now some nature but recently more indoor family events. The low iso performance being a step back from r3 versus the improved af is the hard call.
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j4nu wrote:
Thanks, that's actually impressive! I wonder if it's IBIS alone in this case or IBIS + OSS (in lens) that makes the difference...
French native speaker (and regular viewer of his channel whenever Sony stuff is concerned) commenting here.
On top of my head, Damien (the author of the tests) has done his A1 vs A7R5 AF comparisons with a GM 70-200 Mk2 (which hasn't OSS, right ?).
For A7RIV owners who are shooting subjects in motion and are wondering whether they should upgrade, Damien's tests (when shooting running subjects coming towards the photographer) have shown an improved success rate of ~30 percentage points of the R5 vs the R4 (eg. 65% of sharp shots vs 35% on one scenario).
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GMPhotography wrote:
Any confirmation that AF tracking exceeds the A1 as that maybe a very important upgrade over the A1 for me. I need more info on variable shutter , LED and anti flicker stuff plus flash sync speed if all that matches my A1 it could work for me.
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Clip ...plus flash sync speed if all that matches my A1 it could work for me.
Max sync speed listed as 1/250, so clearly doesn't have the A1 shutter. Given the price, it seem disappointing to me, but they have to save some features exclusive to the flagship.
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nicephore wrote:
French native speaker (and regular viewer of his channel whenever Sony stuff is concerned) commenting here.
On top of my head, Damien (the author of the tests) has done his A1 vs A7R5 AF comparisons with a GM 70-200 Mk2 (which hasn't OSS, right ?).
For A7RIV owners who are shooting subjects in motion and are wondering whether they should upgrade, Damien's tests (when shooting running subjects coming towards the photographer) have shown an improved success rate of ~30 percentage points of the R5 vs the R4 (eg. 65% of sharp shots vs 35% on one scenario).
70-200GM II does have OSS, that's what made me wonder in the first place.
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Michael Gordon wrote:
Clip ...plus flash sync speed if all that matches my A1 it could work for me.
Max sync speed listed as 1/250, so clearly doesn't have the A1 shutter. Given the price, it seem disappointing to me, but they have to save some features exclusive to the flagship.
Yea there is the one turnoff for me. I want that higher sync speed
yea it keeps me from getting bored sometimes. I do like to compare just in case a feature set may make a difference but starting to see the R5 is not really there for my needs. Sony seems to throw a feature or two that is compelling sometimes but it’s not a A1