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Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

  
 
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p.20 #1 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


chez wrote:
I look at your profile and you have 4 very capable cameras. Do you need all four? You also have a bucket full of lenses...again, do you need all of them? I'm thinking you are more to blame for your increased cost of photography than Sony.


Yeah, nice observation I like cameras and lenses, it's obvious.



Oct 31, 2022 at 06:43 PM
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p.20 #2 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Can I please ask how to avail of the educator’s discount for the A7RIV?


novalaker wrote:
I'm a current M43 shooter and looking to upgrade from my G9. Lately I've been looking at used prices of A7RIV and wondering if they will drop further. I can even get a new one for $2600 as an educator. But I'm wondering if the image quality improvements will outweigh the usability of something like the OM-1, with HHHR and Live ND (plus better weather sealing), which is also a better wildlife/sports camera. I do really like the Sony ecosystem however and I think investing in it would be a good long-term decision, while I'm less sure about the future
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Oct 31, 2022 at 07:19 PM
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p.20 #3 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


brandojavajive wrote:
Can I please ask how to avail of the educator’s discount for the A7RIV?




https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/eduAdvantage.jsp



Oct 31, 2022 at 08:35 PM
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p.20 #4 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Will this newAF system work better with canon EF lenses? I heard focusing with the A7R4 and canon lenses is not very reliable…


Oct 31, 2022 at 08:51 PM
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p.20 #5 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Raimundo Gaby wrote:
Will this newAF system work better with canon EF lenses? I heard focusing with the A7R4 and canon lenses is not very reliable…


if it's like the other a7 bodies, it'll be limited to somewhere around 3fps or so af-c?

you need a stacked sensor body for canon glass; get 10fps and much better af.




Oct 31, 2022 at 09:28 PM
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p.20 #6 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


3.2 sec, 70mm, handheld. Not bad:




Nov 01, 2022 at 01:06 AM
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p.20 #7 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


brandojavajive wrote:
Can I please ask how to avail of the educator’s discount for the A7RIV?




You have to have a valid EDU email, I can't recall the rest of the verification process however.



Nov 01, 2022 at 02:02 AM
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p.20 #8 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Im listening to Mark Galer and working at the same time producing a book but I heard some magic words shooting tethered is faster on the A7R5. This is a big one for me as I shoot tethered to a live audience and for the sheer speed I have to shoot jpegs which I hate. Hard to correct the mixed lighting with LED runway lights and a flash pop. If I could shoot Raw then I can set WB better. Dang now im really going to have to look at this dang thing. I just need to sit down and give his video the hour needed to complete .


Nov 01, 2022 at 08:59 AM
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p.20 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


GMPhotography wrote:
Yea there is the one turnoff for me. I want that higher sync speed


I'm going to move to newer cameras soon and the a1 sync speed and fast readout are the two main reasons why I'm leaning that direction for one body. I think the wait for a1II is going to be too long and can upgrade when it arrives if needed.

For body two, I'm leaning towards the a7RV if the AI focus works (will rent, borrow, or buy to test). Without the a7RV new AI AF, I'd probably lean towards two a1's

My current bodies: a9 and a7RIII

Where do I feel they are lacking?
Low light focusing at events.
Backlit people.
General responsiveness. I use custom settings a lot and when switching, it takes way too long to acquire the settings before shooting.
Finding people with glasses. Focus jumps to far away face without glasses too often.
Jumping to background Caucasian faces when other ethnicity face(s) close to center of frame.



Nov 01, 2022 at 12:05 PM
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p.20 #10 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Thank you so very much. Can the Sony A1 achieve the 10 f/s with Canon glass?


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MNPNW wrote:
I'm going to move to newer cameras soon and the a1 sync speed and fast readout are the two main reasons why I'm leaning that direction for one body. I think the wait for a1II is going to be too long and can upgrade when it arrives if needed.

For body two, I'm leaning towards the a7RV if the AI focus works (will rent, borrow, or buy to test). Without the a7RV new AI AF, I'd probably lean towards two a1's

My current bodies: a9 and a7RIII

Where do I feel they are lacking?
Low light focusing at events.
Backlit people.
General responsiveness. I
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I would agree with you the higher sync I want but I can cheat that a little. But like the A1 and A7IV for what you sound like you're doing. Im not sold on selling the A1 and get the A7R5 but there is potential as 10 fps is fine and if I read correctly it does not have total blackout in electronic like the A1. Have to confirm that though



Nov 01, 2022 at 01:08 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I would agree with you the higher sync I want but I can cheat that a little. But like the A1 and A7IV for what you sound like you're doing. Im not sold on selling the A1 and get the A7R5 but there is potential as 10 fps is fine and if I read correctly it does not have total blackout in electronic like the A1. Have to confirm that though


The 1/400 sync on a1 is unique. Remember the old days when leaf shutters had 1/500 and 35mm was 1/60 to 1/125th?
For bright light with strobe 2/3 stop is significant (1/250 to 1/400).

Of course, new Hasselblad is 1/4000th sync with latest lens and 1/2000 with slightly older lenses.

We are so spoiled! I demand more!!!




Nov 01, 2022 at 01:59 PM
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p.20 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Hmm, watching that french video again, it seems to me that for non-action shooting A7RV might actually have even better AF than A1...


Nov 01, 2022 at 03:55 PM
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p.20 #14 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


I was looking at an a7 iv... i may be considering this instead. Not big on megapixels but other tech seems really good.


Nov 01, 2022 at 07:29 PM
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p.20 #15 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


j4nu wrote:
Hmm, watching that french video again, it seems to me that for non-action shooting A7RV might actually have even better AF than A1...

If not, Sony wasted a lot of money developing the AI processor.




Nov 01, 2022 at 07:42 PM
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p.20 #16 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Some FW updates should be done:
https://www.cined.com/frustration-over-sony-firmware-updates-in-their-alpha-series-cameras/



Nov 01, 2022 at 08:00 PM
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p.20 #17 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


wzok wrote:
Some FW updates should be done:
https://www.cined.com/frustration-over-sony-firmware-updates-in-their-alpha-series-cameras/


Thanks for posting this link.

Very interesting video about FW updates. They make a strong case that the FW capabilities of some of the cheaper cameras exceed what is in the flagship A1. I did not know that although animal eye focus is a menu option for video in the A1, it does not work. That's bizarre!

They were careful to not confuse capabilities that are purely FW from capabilities that require new processors, like the AI processor in the A7R5. That will have to wait for the A1II.

Dave



Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57 PM
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p.20 #18 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


Looking at the feature set that's missing it seems to be video focused. Could it be that Sony has statistics that shows that the A1 is not being used in that manner so therefore no need to focus resource on those items.



Nov 02, 2022 at 06:56 AM
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p.20 #19 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


dclark wrote:
Thanks for posting this link.

Very interesting video about FW updates. They make a strong case that the FW capabilities of some of the cheaper cameras exceed what is in the flagship A1. I did not know that although animal eye focus is a menu option for video in the A1, it does not work. That's bizarre!

They were careful to not confuse capabilities that are purely FW from capabilities that require new processors, like the AI processor in the A7R5. That will have to wait for the A1II.

Dave


I made a virtual robot simulator in the past, about 12 years ago, we used the simulator to test thousands of algorithms, at 100x real time speed, and then we would pick the best algorithms and test them with the physical robots. This allowed us to test new software much faster than manually.

What I mean is that Sony needs such a simulator, to simulate their cameras, and simulate the firmware update as well. I think they have one, because I'm sure every company has to use one, but I have a feeling that the simulator is being used during camera development, and not to test firmware updates.

If you can use that simulator for FW updates, then you could test all possible configurations with FW X, and apply the FW update, and then check if the camera is still working and if all settings have been preserved or correctly transitioned.
Of course, you will still perform some manual testing afterwards but at least this step can be made much shorter.

If you don't use this simulator, then you will have to do extensive manual testing only, which takes a lot of time + is more expensive + the testers will not be able to test everything, which explains why there was an issue in the A7IV update.

I'm pretty sure that the reason we're not seeing a lot of new features in FW updates is because of the testing and the risks of potentially breaking the camera (due to the lack of testing). This is why new cameras can have all the features since they will be in the initial firmware, and the testing will not involve testing all the possible previous configurations.



Nov 02, 2022 at 07:38 AM
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p.20 #20 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)


If Apple can put the latest operating system and features on a six year old phone, Sony could have changed the focusing box on A7R3 to red. Perhaps Sony does not have a truly unified underlying OS for their cameras allowing features to be moved from one to the other. If that’s the case however, that’s a blundering engineering mistake. If it’s not the case, then Sony is just being lazy or greedy or both.


Nov 02, 2022 at 08:08 AM
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