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I found this 1 man in a group of soldiers in Gettysburg monument to be most photogenic in B&W.
#2 equally intense. The sculpture and chisled features really stand out. I did not want to darken the faces to the point that it hid his their facial features yet not set the men off as being "hidden".
Beautiful work, Brother Dan. And spot-on comment, Douglas. I was frankly surprised to see that their statutes are still allowed their place given the current cancel culture horse****
douter wrote:
These are very good, Dan! They surely help tell the story of determination and hardship shared among those who fought on both sides.
Douglas
--Yes Douglas. Both sides endured grave hardships! Luckily we had a great Union General that when the end came he allowed his aderversary to retreat with dignity!-------------------------------------------
anthonysemone wrote:
Beautiful work, Brother Dan. And spot-on comment, Douglas. I was frankly surprised to see that their statutes are still allowed their place given the current cancel culture horse****
Gettysburg is enduring activists like many other places around here brother! They don't seem to realize that history is a lesson to learn from not sanitize!---------------------------------------------
bnfotografie wrote:
Superb work brother. You captured the intensity perfectly with and I agree that this is a subject that's best in b&w.
Cheers,
Brent
YES! B&W is really the only way you can "feel" the intensity of battle and pain brother!
Thanks!
Good shots Dan. I hear you on your sympathy for regular soldiers fighting a war. I'm sure most were fighting to just stay alive and keep their brothers in arms alive.
I feel that there is a place for such statues in a historical context, with accompanying information, such as at battlefields, without glorifying the shameful history of slavery and subjugation of black people that the confederacy stood for. I feel very different about monuments to the leaders in public places like parks or capitals. Lee himself spoke against that.
Dan I appreciate your service and your sentiment. IIRC The vast majority of Confederate soldiers volunteered and they and their families had a higher percentage of slave ownership compared to the general population.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles of war - humans have been really good at murdering each other on a vast scale for most of our history.
It’s been a long time since I visited Gettysburg - but I don’t think it is right or just to have these memorial statues commemorating men that fought and died over the right to own other humans as property. There was a push to have these memorials, often funded by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were dealing with Jim Crow laws and just trying to access their full rights as citizens. Conveniently these memorials never seem to mention slavery or white supremacy - but often mask their language with words like ‘heritage’.
I’ve said my piece, and I’ll leave this thread now.
bmike-vt wrote:
Dan I appreciate your service and your sentiment. IIRC The vast majority of Confederate soldiers volunteered and they and their families had a higher percentage of slave ownership compared to the general population.
Regardless though - these memorials would be like having ‘art’ pieces of German soldiers in France or Belgium, or maybe even have a plaque and a heroic looking assemblages of SS soldiers in Dachau. It is absurd to me - and just writing that last part makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, there can and should be sculpture and art that shows the horrors and struggles of war - humans have been really good at murdering each other on a vast scale for most of our history.
It’s been a long time since I visited Gettysburg - but I don’t think it is right or just to have these memorial statues commemorating men that fought and died over the right to own other humans as property. There was a push to have these memorials, often funded by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were dealing with Jim Crow laws and just trying to access their full rights as citizens. Conveniently these memorials never seem to mention slavery or white supremacy - but often mask their language with words like ‘heritage’.
I’ve said my piece, and I’ll leave this thread now. ...Show more →
Thanks Mike! I totally agree with much of what you have stated! Especially the Nazis!
Dan
Feb 16, 2024 at 10:23 AM
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Excellent photos Dan of an impressive sculpture. It irks me no end that people try to change history to satisfy personal sensitivities. They should focus on fixing the present and take lessons from history.
Pitter wrote:
Excellent photos Dan of an impressive sculpture. It irks me no end that people try to change history to satisfy personal sensitivities. They should focus on fixing the present and take lessons from history.
Amen!
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
Thanks Dan. My recent post apparently got cleansed from this thread, so ….
Have a great weekend.
Danpbphoto wrote:
Then this "cleansing", good or bad, started as Mike sez. Not more recent than I might have implied.
Good research Mike! And you are most correct at the "dating" of the erection of said Memorials.
I actually FOUGHT for anti-slavery! Albeit.."colonialism" via Vietnam. Dont endorse it and never did for ANY reason. And I studied it for 6 years with a MA! Includes "indentured servitude" also! You are always "under the thumb" of some opressor!
Dan
It seems to be gone. I posted links and quotes regarding how the memorials came to be - primarily driven by southern states at a time when our fellow Americans were fighting Jim Crow laws, disenfranchisement and trying to claim their basic rights.
Most of the memorials built directly after the war were simple grave markers. In the early 1900s there was a concerted effort to glorify and memorialize leaders and generals and white wash the aspect of slavery from school curriculum, public places and politics.
I am truly sorry that happened Mike! That is not right!
There cannot be greater rudeness than to interrupt another in the current of his discourse. ... . There was no rudeness nor vitriol going on. Just a healthy conversation!
Sorry Mike...Maybe next time you and I will continue in a PM.
Dan
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