In the months when the Fujifilm X100v was unavailable, I bought a Sony a7C2 with the 40mm f/2.5 for street. It just weighs 4 oz more than the x100v & the body isn’t quite as long. I’ve come to like it.
The only thing I really dislike about the Sony is the flip screen - I’d much rather have the tilt screen of the x100v & I’m curious about the film simulations.
But I’m conflicted. Will the x100vi complement the Sony or be redundant?
Any advice?
The Sony is a better camera. Full frame beats APS-C with twice the light gathering. Also Bayer -> X-Trans.
jaygould wrote:
The Sony is a better camera. Full frame beats APS-C with twice the light gathering. Also Bayer -> X-Trans.
Just buy some more lenses for the A7CII instead.
I mean, it should be better…that combo is $1200 more expensive. However, while the weight is reasonably close between the two, the Sony doesn’t work for the things I use the X100 series for. The X100VI can easily fit in a jacket pocket or in a small belt case, making it much more portable than something like the Sony combo just because of the size of the lens.
jaygould wrote:
The Sony is a better camera. Full frame beats APS-C with twice the light gathering. Also Bayer -> X-Trans.
Just buy some more lenses for the A7CII instead.
Don’t buy an A7C2. Buy a GFX100S. MF beats Full Frame.
We can keep walking up the “bigger camera is better” hill, but camera size is a virtue onto its own, and as Jordan’s comparison shows, the X100V is considerably smaller than any interchangeable lens camera. I can fit it in pockets that I can’t even fit an X-T20.
If size is important to you, you should first compile a list of cameras that fit your size requirements, and then buy the best available. The X100V exists in a space with the Ricohs. The A7C2 exists in a space with Fuji X, M43, APS-C Z bodies, and Leica.
CKrueger wrote:
Don’t buy an A7C2. Buy a GFX100S. MF beats Full Frame.
We can keep walking up the “bigger camera is better” hill, but camera size is a virtue onto its own, and as Jordan’s comparison shows, the X100V is considerably smaller than any interchangeable lens camera. I can fit it in pockets that I can’t even fit an X-T20.
If size is important to you, you should first compile a list of cameras that fit your size requirements, and then buy the best available. The X100V exists in a space with the Ricohs. The A7C2 exists in a space with Fuji X, M43, APS-C Z bodies, and Leica....Show more →
No, they both exist in the same size bracket. You could simply mount a smaller lens on the A7CII, like the 35mm Zeiss f2.8. The A7CII (124 x 71.1 x 63.4 mm) is actually both shorter and thinner than the Fuji (128 x 74.8 x 55.3 mm).
If you want a pocketable camera, the 100VI isn't it. The Ricoh GRIII is in a different category. It's like half the size and 1/3rd of the weight compared to the Fuji or Sony.
I really wish there was a cure for the “Camera A is a better camera than Camera B” stuff.
Such broad generalizations are not helpful, and they often lead people astray. Camera A is, no doubt, better for some particular use cases. Camera B is also better for some other use cases.
The goal isn’t to determine The Very Very Best Camera In The World Now And Forever More. It is to match the features of cameras to your particular needs.
The “best” answer might be a Fujifilm camera. It might be a Sony camera. It might be something else. It might be APS-C, MFT, FF, or miniMF. Or LF film, for all we know.
jaygould wrote:
The Sony is a better camera. Full frame beats APS-C with twice the light gathering. Also Bayer -> X-Trans.
The one flaw to me of the a7C2 is the fold out screen. I wish it had the screen that the a7VR has that both tilts and swings but for stealthy street photography the X100VI wins that category while the Sony might win in other categories .
jaygould wrote:
No, they both exist in the same size bracket. You could simply mount a smaller lens on the A7CII, like the 35mm Zeiss f2.8. The A7CII (124 x 71.1 x 63.4 mm) is actually both shorter and thinner than the Fuji (128 x 74.8 x 55.3 mm).
If you want a pocketable camera, the 100VI isn't it. The Ricoh GRIII is in a different category. It's like half the size and 1/3rd of the weight compared to the Fuji or Sony.
Is the X100VI the best technical camera - no way! For that I have GFX (and my travel cam is a 100S + 35-70 + 50/55). It's just amazing .....
I did not like my 1st date with the OG. Felt weird, whats all this OVF? Sold it. Then missed it, and got another one. I regret selling my OG X100 to chase the next model (OG->OG->T->V). Was super satisfied by my V but it got stolen (car break in). The only other camera that I can carry everywhere and I love is the RX1 (but no Fuji DNA and dog slow).
Hence I needed to have the VI, and pre-ordered. It gets you hooked. Gateway drug
I see no way an A7Cii would be as fun to use in the field as an X100 at the same focal length. However, the clear IQ winner if you want clean looking files is the Sony. I shoot my big system when I want clean. I shoot my X100 when I want to have fun and catch ✨vibes✨
jaygould wrote:
No, they both exist in the same size bracket. You could simply mount a smaller lens on the A7CII, like the 35mm Zeiss f2.8. The A7CII (124 x 71.1 x 63.4 mm) is actually both shorter and thinner than the Fuji (128 x 74.8 x 55.3 mm).
If you want a pocketable camera, the 100VI isn't it. The Ricoh GRIII is in a different category. It's like half the size and 1/3rd of the weight compared to the Fuji or Sony.
The Fuji has an f/2 lens, the Zeiss is 2.8, so there goes your "twice the light gathering capabilities".
If the new one is backordered for a while, and has supply issues, the resale market on it is going to be stupid. That will make people turn to the V again and keep them from dropping in price.
brooksdigi wrote:
I was really hoping that the X100V used market would be flooded with this announcement but that doesn't seem to be the case!
At least the prices on the X100Vs have come down from $1700+ a month ago to $1200- now. I think they will settle around $850 once the X100VIs are readily available.
brooksdigi wrote:
I was really hoping that the X100V used market would be flooded with this announcement but that doesn't seem to be the case!
gdanmitchell wrote:
I really wish there was a cure for the “Camera A is a better camera than Camera B” stuff.
Such broad generalizations are not helpful, and they often lead people astray. Camera A is, no doubt, better for some particular use cases. Camera B is also better for some other use cases.
The goal isn’t to determine The Very Very Best Camera In The World Now And Forever More. It is to match the features of cameras to your particular needs.
The “best” answer might be a Fujifilm camera. It might be a Sony camera. It might be something else. It might be APS-C, MFT, FF, or miniMF. Or LF film, for all we know.
Well, I responded to a person who already owned the A7CII and now was thinking of trading it in for the Fuji. I just don't think that makes sense. I don't know what you'd gain with the Fuji over the Sony. If you started from scratch however, it's a different thing.
jaygould wrote:
Well, I responded to a person who already owned the A7CII and now was thinking of trading it in for the Fuji. I just don't think that makes sense. I don't know what you'd gain with the Fuji over the Sony. If you started from scratch however, it's a different thing.
Sony makes excellent cameras (and lenses, etc.) that can be the ideal choice for many photographers in many situations.
Fujifilm makes excellent cameras (and lenses, etc.) that can be the ideal choice for many photographers in many situations.
Neither is “better” than the other in a general way. Both are excellent.
From the perspective on an individual photographer, the question is which most aligns with their specific needs. If, for example, that person’s needs are for a very small APS-C rangefinder style camera with a fixed 23mm f/2.8 lens (for things like street photography, travel photography, an “always with me” camera, etc.) the X100vi could be an ideal choice, and better for them than a Sony system that might seem ideal for your particular needs.
So the important questions (and answer) for a person looking at some particular camera has to do with how its features align with their needs… not which is The Best Camera in some abstract way.
FWIW, I suspect that a fair number of folks becoming obsessed with the X100vi are not necessarily going to end up thinking it was a great choice. Others will end up feeling this it is.
I have an A6700 which is similar to the size of the A7CII except the former is an APS-C camera. I'm adding the X100VI to my gear because like what gdanmitchell said above, it's an "always with me" camera. For environmental portraits I've paired the A6700 with either the Sony 15/1.4G or the Sonnar 24/1.8 but neither gear is 'pocketable'.
