p.15 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
I think you overestimate the average FMs poster's abilities here
Like most things in life, first hand experience trumps all. Unfortunately this camera's price is going to put that potential experience out of reach for many.
+1 for the experience of shooting leaf (which isn't mainstream).
Well, if you're in the market for exceptionalism in your gear (i.e. 100 MP, etc.) ... exceptionalism in your thinking should be able to come along for the ride.
p.15 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
Yeah, I think if one takes inventory of what they are shooting ... and putting it into "categories", the lack of IBIS isn't as "all encompassing" as it might seem.
That said, I did take first notice of when I got a short tele without OIS in a DSLR, and realized I'd need to bring up my ISO / SS a bit. Here, with a 35 (28-ish), that relationship isn't as dependent on stabilization is it becomes with the longer glass. I'd suggest the decisions involved here were thought through ... to fit the pieces of the puzzle within a given context ... rather, than trying to be a "fit for all" tool.
I think those who find this tool well suited to them will be pleased by it. Others that aren't oriented within its context will likely find it an "Easy Pass". ...Show more →
I agree with regards to the fact the single fixed focal length @35mm makes IBIS much less of an issue to me than for say a general MILC body that could have any lens attached. In fact I've seen same bad results with wide angle lenses when I've left IBIS on when I did not really need it (18mm on X system or around 28mm FF equiv). I'm somewhat new to IBIS and still learning its quirks. It seems that IBIS cannot keep both the center and corners sharp at really wide angles. Over at DPR the cutoff for when you might encounter/notice this is generally thought to be around the diagonal of the sensor, which is 55mm for the GFX. So I think it matter a lot less for people interested in this camera than it might seem at first glance.
I do agree this camera is probably an easy pass for many. I think probably all fixed lens cameras probably fall into that category to some degree.
p.15 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
rbf_ wrote:
I agree with regards to the fact the single fixed focal length @35mm@ makes IBIS much less of an issue to me than for say a general MILC body that could have any lens attached. In fact I've seen same bad results with wide angle lenses when I've left IBIS on when I did not really need it (18mm on X system or around 28mm FF equiv). I'm somewhat new to IBIS and still learning its quirks. It seems that IBIS cannot keep both the center and corners in focus at really wide angles. Over at DPR the cutoff for who you might encounter/notice this is generally thought to be around the diagonal of the sensor, which is 55mm for the GFX. So I think it matter a lot less for people interested in this camera than it might seem at first glance.
I do agree this camera is probably an easy pass for many. I think probably all fixed lens cameras probably fall into that category to some degree....Show more →
+1 for a fixed film plane vs. a floating one. It cuts both ways in different situations. Not trying to toss the baby out with the bathwater, per se ... but, understanding the implications of IBIS can be a piece of the puzzle. Most folks will take the Easy Pass route ... but, for those who think this one through, I expect they'll be well rewarded as they keep things of context of what it is ... vs. trying to make out what it isn't.
p.15 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Thank you. Very helpful. I am rethinking the new model based on your comments and those of Fuji you resurrected. Are you going to pass on the new GFX as a result of lacking IBIS?
p.15 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
+1 for a fixed film plane vs. a floating one. It cuts both ways in different situations. Not trying to toss the baby out with the bathwater, per se ... but, understanding the implications of IBIS can be a piece of the puzzle. Most folks will take the Easy Pass route ... but, for those who think this one through, I expect they'll be well rewarded as they keep things of context of what it is ... vs. trying to make out what it isn't.
Agreed I''m not saying I don't like IBIS. But it does have some quirks at the wide and longer focal ranges.
p.15 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
rbf_ wrote:
Agreed I''m not saying I didn't like IBIS. But it does have some quirks at the wide and longer focal ranges.
Nikon added a feature recently that can tie IBIS to the focus point...guess what? If your focus point is on one edge of the frame, the opposite edge will be gnarly because of the 3rd axis the IBIS unit/sensor is moving in.
You HAVE to be smarter than your camera and understand how this stuff works and when the appropriate times to apply them are.
p.15 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
Nikon added a feature recently that can tie IBIS to the focus point...guess what? If your focus point is on one edge of the frame, the opposite edge will be gnarly because of the 3rd axis the IBIS unit/sensor is moving in.
You HAVE to be smarter than your camera and understand how this stuff works and when the appropriate times to apply them are.
Sometimes it is way EASIER to just THINK about how to do things ... rather, than have to OUT-THINK what someone else was thinking.
It seems like in the vein of folks trying to avoid thinking (and the underlying concepts therein), they can wind up having to think twice, instead of just once.
p.15 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I've enjoyed these educational, spirited discussions over the last few months and decided to pre-order. My use case is hiking, fat biking and cycling here in Alaska where due to weather I rarely change lenses in the field, and the following features pushed me to an EDC 100RF vs a second 100sii body (finally retiring my original 100 to timelapses with the 23mm as I hike/ride):
* AI automatic subject detection - it's a serious pain choosing between opportunistic animal, bird & people while other systems have implemented this. If set to the incorrect subject, Fuji's AF is particularly awful (and may remain so, tbh, but I'm tempted to try, fingers crossed)
* Close focusing - especially for flowers or currently-unavailable shots with the GFX
* Leaf shutter - especially with flash in daylight, the shutter speed sync has been a limitation with GFX vs Hasselblad.
* 4-stop ND filter for video - necessary on bright days and a very welcome addition. Sure, no IBIS/OIS...but I also have an DJI osmo pocket 3/iPhone 16 pro max with Insta flow gimbal for active shots, so this would be for static, pans, or wildlife
* Accessible XPan - I have and actually prefer the aspect ratio ring on the Leica d-lux 7/8, but access via dial with resolution to support XPan be a really cool addition vs. Q menu, mainly for XPan & 4:3, but happy to explore
Besides stability, of course, I would have liked built-in flash, stills-video switch (hopefully I can map a button), and film sim switch (years ago for fun I switched the 100 into Acros B&W and really enjoy the live view while shooting RAW-only. Even Nikon zf added a B&W switch to mimic Fuji's film sims/retro style with success, but 100RF seems to lack this...odd choice since Fuji is pushing crop and aspect, but no dedicated film sim access). I would have preferred a FF "fx100vi" but can understand fuji's more-than-full-frame position... Thanks.
p.15 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I can guarantee you they excluded the flash because even a tapered hood obstructs the flash on the X100 line. That flared hood didn't stand a chance, and they really want you to use the hood (since you can't seal the lens without it).
p.15 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
Where IBIS comes into play is the ability to skip the tripod in a lot of scenarios ... but, true long exposure, IBIS doesn't do anything for ya.
Rusty this is not to you but in general here on these GFX Q4 threads.
I keep wanting to bow out of this IBIS discussion because I get accused of repeating myself. Honestly, there is little if anything I can learn from any of you about IBIS or IBIS in combination with OIS in GFX shooting for my work. I already know everything I need to know about it and some of you are so far off base here that I think you are actually deluding yourselves.
But there might be something you can learn from me, because I shot the 50 s and r for a long time before IBIS came to GFX, and I know how to struggle and get by without it (monopod, or higher ISO than you really want or wider apertures than you might really want). Been there. Done that. Repeatedly and for far too long. (Remember, each stop of ISO up the ladder costs you something you might not want to pay, and wider apertures with GFX give very shallow DOF - much less than you are used to coming from APSC or FF).
Now in 2025? I take stabilization as a given and I have experimented with IBIS and IBIS + OIS since the day the first GFX 100 hit the street and 14 GF lenses....
But I keep reading these IBIS / OIS observations that are just not accurate or nowhere near the full story with GFX or Hassy MF cameras.
IBIS is not just about tripod avoidance. It provides much more stability and cleaner crisp viewing at full res with no pixels blurred because of vibration or shake in a wide variety of situations when you would otherwise lose that res and crispness for sure - especially small details at full res - the thing GFX and Hassy are famous for with this sensor (which is why I spend the money).
IBIS is great even at normal shooting speeds way past 1/125 depending on the focal length and situation. If I'm shooting the 100-200 at 200 or the 250 you better bet that you would need 1/5x speed (maybe even faster and wide open) if you were foolish enough to turn off the OIS switch. And these supposed speed limits for needing IBIS with the normal 35-70 range I keep reading here on these threads are wrong and I hope new GFX shooters are not learning from them.
And it also depends on what you mean by long exposure. I can get absolute tripod-like stability at one-third second handheld at 20-28mm with the 20-35 in darker situations at F4 and ISO around 1000 or so (maybe 1600). That would be absolutely impossible without stabilization by a factor of 5.
I can get shots handheld that are absolutely clean and brilliant stability-wise at speeds and apertures that were literally an impossible dream prior to GFX IBIS. Getting IBIS literally revolutionized (and saved) MF digital photography and Fuji went 5 years backwards by leaving it (or OIS) off the GFX Q4.
If that absolute truth irritates some of you, so be it. Maybe it will sink in someday when you learn what I learned 5 years ago and have experienced every day since.
That doesn't mean you should not buy the camera or that you have to have IBIS. I shot for decades without it. And yes, there are ways to work around not having stability while shooting GFX. But there are shots you will not get handheld without it, and it will help immensely even in normal daylight shooting at base ISO.
I shouldn't have to be giving these lectures in 2025, especially since you are hard pressed to buy a camera in 2025 without stabilization (unless you buy the GFX Q4). 😁
OK - I repeated myself on some of that so forgive me. But so do you guys! And I bet somebody argues with these absolute facts I just laid out again, which means I will be back with another repetition of the reality which should help the Great Unwashed Masses out there that will be shooting GFX for the first time with the GFX Q4. . I'm kidding.... Sort of.
Some really slow shutter speeds like 1/25 second. Please correct me, but 100Mpix, hand held and no. IBIS isn’t a recipe for success @ 1/25, so I suspect a tripod, or at least camera sitting on a solid surface.
p.15 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
When I first saw no IBIS, I was in the don't buy camp, but with the total package I'm ok with it. I don't think the OIS did that much for me in my Q2 reporter. It was no way as effective as IBIS in an X-T5 or Nikon Zf. For me the GFX100RF fits the same uses as my X100VI plus more with the wider focal length and being able to crop in and frame with lot of aspect ratios. I don't mind the f/4 lens for the things I shoot. Just like the X100 series or Q series it's not an only camera. For me it's a second or third camera used for every day carry where the other cameras are used for planned photo shoots when I bring the right tool for the job.
I care a lot about how heavy a body+lens will be. I avoided taking my Leica SL2s places, as it with and lens felt like a chore. All of the other GFX options are that heavy or more so a no go for me. It's also why I didn't bother buying a Nikon Z8.
I think if it was between the Q3 and the GFX100RF, I would take the Fuji. Actually when the Q3 was announced I almost sold my Q2 Reporter and bought it, but couldn't handle the long weight time and instead bought an X-T5 and Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 which is about the same size and weight. Over time I sold the Q2...
p.15 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Rusty this is not to you but in general here on these GFX Q4 threads.
I keep wanting to bow out of this IBIS discussion because I get accused of repeating myself. Honestly, there is little if anything I can learn from any of you about IBIS or IBIS in combination with OIS in GFX shooting for my work. I already know everything I need to know about it and some of you are so far off base here that I think you are actually deluding yourselves.
But there might be something you can learn from me, because I shot the 50 s and r for a long time before IBIS came to GFX, and I know how to struggle and get by without it (monopod, or higher ISO than you really want or wider apertures than you might really want). Been there. Done that. Repeatedly and for far too long. (Remember, each stop of ISO up the ladder costs you something you might not want to pay, and wider apertures with GFX give very shallow DOF - much less than you are used to coming from APSC or FF).
Now in 2025? I take stabilization as a given and I have experimented with IBIS and IBIS + OIS since the day the first GFX 100 hit the street and 14 GF lenses....
But I keep reading these IBIS / OIS observations that are just not accurate or nowhere near the full story with GFX or Hassy MF cameras.
IBIS is not just about tripod avoidance. It provides much more stability and cleaner crisp viewing at full res with no pixels blurred because of vibration or shake in a wide variety of situations when you would otherwise lose that res and crispness for sure - especially small details at full res - the thing GFX and Hassy are famous for with this sensor (which is why I spend the money).
IBIS is great even at normal shooting speeds way past 1/125 depending on the focal length and situation. If I'm shooting the 100-200 at 200 or the 250 you better bet that you would need 1/5x speed (maybe even faster and wide open) if you were foolish enough to turn off the OIS switch. And these supposed speed limits for needing IBIS with the normal 35-70 range I keep reading here on these threads are wrong and I hope new GFX shooters are not learning from them.
And it also depends on what you mean by long exposure. I can get absolute tripod-like stability at one-third second handheld at 20-28mm with the 20-35 in darker situations at F4 and ISO around 1000 or so (maybe 1600). That would be absolutely impossible without stabilization by a factor of 5.
I can get shots handheld that are absolutely clean and brilliant stability-wise at speeds and apertures that were literally an impossible dream prior to GFX IBIS. Getting IBIS literally revolutionized (and saved) MF digital photography and Fuji went 5 years backwards by leaving it (or OIS) off the GFX Q4.
If that absolute truth irritates some of you, so be it. Maybe it will sink in someday when you learn what I learned 5 years ago and have experienced every day since.
That doesn't mean you should not buy the camera or that you have to have IBIS. I shot for decades without it. And yes, there are ways to work around not having stability while shooting GFX. But there are shots you will not get handheld without it, and it will help immensely even in normal daylight shooting at base ISO.
I shouldn't have to be giving these lectures in 2025, especially since you are hard pressed to buy a camera in 2025 without stabilization (unless you buy the GFX Q4). 😁
OK - I repeated myself on some of that so forgive me. But so do you guys! And I bet somebody argues with these absolute facts I just laid out again, which means I will be back with another repetition of the reality which should help the Great Unwashed Masses out there that will be shooting GFX for the first time with the GFX Q4. . I'm kidding.... Sort of. ...Show more →
p.15 #15 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg, I think a fair analysis would be that you have "spoken your piece" on IBIS
A few observations:
1) It's not your job to "educate" others on how to use their cameras, or to assume their abilities to capture images up to their standards.
2) No one cares about DPR here. Please stop talking about the mods and DPR in general.
3) The camera is called the GFX100RF, or RF, and certainly not the GFX Q4. This is a dumb look in general, not all that different than weirdos that insist on saying "Drumpf" as pseudo-intellectual gotcha.
p.15 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Rusty this is not to you but in general here on these GFX Q4 threads.
I keep wanting to bow out of this IBIS discussion because I get accused of repeating myself. Honestly, there is little if anything I can learn from any of you about IBIS or IBIS in combination with OIS in GFX shooting for my work. I already know everything I need to know about it and some of you are so far off base here that I think you are actually deluding yourselves.
But there might be something you can learn from me, because I shot the 50 s and r for a long time before IBIS came to GFX, and I know how to struggle and get by without it (monopod, or higher ISO than you really want or wider apertures than you might really want). Been there. Done that. Repeatedly and for far too long. (Remember, each stop of ISO up the ladder costs you something you might not want to pay, and wider apertures with GFX give very shallow DOF - much less than you are used to coming from APSC or FF).
Now in 2025? I take stabilization as a given and I have experimented with IBIS and IBIS + OIS since the day the first GFX 100 hit the street and 14 GF lenses....
But I keep reading these IBIS / OIS observations that are just not accurate or nowhere near the full story with GFX or Hassy MF cameras.
IBIS is not just about tripod avoidance. It provides much more stability and cleaner crisp viewing at full res with no pixels blurred because of vibration or shake in a wide variety of situations when you would otherwise lose that res and crispness for sure - especially small details at full res - the thing GFX and Hassy are famous for with this sensor (which is why I spend the money).
IBIS is great even at normal shooting speeds way past 1/125 depending on the focal length and situation. If I'm shooting the 100-200 at 200 or the 250 you better bet that you would need 1/5x speed (maybe even faster and wide open) if you were foolish enough to turn off the OIS switch. And these supposed speed limits for needing IBIS with the normal 35-70 range I keep reading here on these threads are wrong and I hope new GFX shooters are not learning from them.
And it also depends on what you mean by long exposure. I can get absolute tripod-like stability at one-third second handheld at 20-28mm with the 20-35 in darker situations at F4 and ISO around 1000 or so (maybe 1600). That would be absolutely impossible without stabilization by a factor of 5.
I can get shots handheld that are absolutely clean and brilliant stability-wise at speeds and apertures that were literally an impossible dream prior to GFX IBIS. Getting IBIS literally revolutionized (and saved) MF digital photography and Fuji went 5 years backwards by leaving it (or OIS) off the GFX Q4.
If that absolute truth irritates some of you, so be it. Maybe it will sink in someday when you learn what I learned 5 years ago and have experienced every day since.
That doesn't mean you should not buy the camera or that you have to have IBIS. I shot for decades without it. And yes, there are ways to work around not having stability while shooting GFX. But there are shots you will not get handheld without it, and it will help immensely even in normal daylight shooting at base ISO.
I shouldn't have to be giving these lectures in 2025, especially since you are hard pressed to buy a camera in 2025 without stabilization (unless you buy the GFX Q4). 😁
OK - I repeated myself on some of that so forgive me. But so do you guys! And I bet somebody argues with these absolute facts I just laid out again, which means I will be back with another repetition of the reality which should help the Great Unwashed Masses out there that will be shooting GFX for the first time with the GFX Q4. . I'm kidding.... Sort of. ...Show more →
Thanks for the lecture-
Yea its why no one shoots Leica M bodies anymore- or film. No IBIS. Its also why this camera isn't going to sell well...Laughing inside
p.15 #17 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Frankly, instead of the medium format GFX100RF, Fuji should have created a full-frame version of the X100VI (they could call it the X100FF), with both IBIS and decent autofocus and in both a 28mm and 40mm leaf-shutter version.
p.15 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
chiron wrote:
Frankly, instead of the medium format GFX100RF, Fuji should have created a full-frame version of the X100VI (they could call it the X100FF), with both IBIS and decent autofocus and in both a 28mm and 40mm leaf-shutter version.
Now that would be exciting!
Luckily the RF has both of these cameras inside of it, and both are higher res than that would have been
p.15 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
Luckily the RF has both of these cameras inside of it, and both are higher res than that would have been
Only sort of. A full frame X100VI would be a very different beast, with IBIS, a faster lens, and a svelte street-friendly form factor. It is about time that somebody took a real shot at the Leica-appeal, but with a modern camera and a reasonable price.
p.15 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
chiron wrote:
Only sort of. A full frame X100VI would be a very different beast, with IBIS, a faster lens, and a svelte street-friendly form factor.
Slightly better light transmission and worse high ISO performance. There's push/pull everywhere you look. They certainly wouldn't be "better", just "different".
