p.14 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
highdesertmesa wrote:
I think you misunderstand the ratio function. They put a marker in the RAW files so that when you import the RAWs, they are cropped exactly (and non destructively) as you shot them. So for me, shooting with an aspect ratio is simply pre-visualizing how the RAW will look on import. It’s not just a JPEG feature.
I don't misunderstand the dial at all. I agree with you. I acknowledged that when LR imports the raw it will read the aspect ratio chosen in the camera and the start point in LR editing will show that crop, or at least that is what they are saying on the Adobe and LR Forums (of course that start point crop can then be quickly reedited to anything). I don't know for sure though because I have not imported any files to LR shot with that camera.
p.14 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
gordec wrote:
So the argument without IBIS is the leaf shutter removes the instability of a shutter curtain of the other GFX cameras. Looks like all the early reviews say camera shake isn’t an issue.
When too many say the same thing I begin to shy away. Just a few give GOOD reasons for their comments.
p.14 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I see the GFX100RF as Fujifilm’s medium format version of the X-M5, by which I mean a very compact no-frills entry-level camera packing a lot of bang for the buck, designed to draw new users who want something more than full frame into the GFX world, just as the X-M5 is designed to draw new users who want something more than a cellphone into the X-Series world. Fujifilm has trademarked the slogan “More than Full Frame” to capitalize on this.
Note that the GFX100RF was introduced in Prague to emphasize Fuji’s claim that it was inspired by Josef Koudelka statement that his interest in photography was rekindled after he found a Fujifilm GX617 panoramic film camera and started looking at the world in a new aspect ratio. Fuji clearly sees the aspect ratio dial as a major selling point with their target audience. Like the dedicated film sim dial on the X-M5 and X-T50, it may draw derision from dedicated camera buffs, but is likely to be a big hit with most others, in particular those just dipping their toes into serious photography.
p.14 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
I don't misunderstand the dial at all. I agree with you. I acknowledged that when LR imports the raw it will read the aspect ratio chosen in the camera and the start point in LR editing will show that crop, or at least that is what they are saying on the Adobe and LR Forums (of course that start point crop can then be quickly reedited to anything). I don't know for sure though because I have not imported any files to LR shot with that camera.
Gotcha, I thought you were calling it a JPEG feature, but I often read too fast for my own good and miss something or misinterpret meaning.
p.14 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
stgrove wrote:
When too many say the same thing I begin to shy away. Just a few give GOOD reasons for their comments.
Plane shutter can have vibrations in certain shutter speeds. Depends on camera, but the danger is there. Leaf shutter does not have this problem, and as a plus it is quiet and flash sync is available at all shutter speeds.
X100 series has had leaf shutter from the beginning, making one of the hallmarks of the camera. Fair or not, GFX100RF is seen in light of X100 series. If it had been implemented with plane shutter, it would have been yet another downer.
I am not sure of this, but I believe leaf shutter makes it possible to bring rear lens element closer to sensor.
p.14 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I think it is worth reading this GFX IBIS article on the Fuji site in the Fuji Learning Center. It was posted back when Fuji first developed IBIS for the GFX 100, and GFX IBIS has been upgraded since then.
The article agrees with my long-held belief that IBIS is more important with GFX and Hassy than it is with FF, APSC or MFT because any vibration or camera movement can reduce the biggest advantage of MF - the amazing IQ and look of the MF files (especially when viewed at full res. The article also states what I have been trying to tell people on this site who mistakenly believe that IBIS is not beneficial above 1/60 or so. It says:
"Stability becomes even more important with high-resolution sensors, like those in GFX cameras. As resolution rises, micro blur becomes evident."
"More useful is that IBIS improves resolution and sharpness at speeds like 1/50 sec, 1/80 sec or 1/125 sec and above, especially when handling is difficult. Fine detail is retained more readily, so images look like they were captured at much higher speeds"
Not having IBIS is not a deal killer for many people with this camera because it so attractive in many other ways, but it is a major disadvantage when compared to having GFX with IBIS, which all GFX cameras do except for the two first 50 MP models 7 years ago.
p.14 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Agree no IBIS is a deal breaker for me. Interesting on their analysis back when they originally spoke in favor of IBIS. Hipocracy today?
This is where the Fuji influencers keep saying it is OK without IBIS. Some seem ashamed while saying it, but if there is deviation from the Fuji-wanted story then the next model might not be provided for their "analysis".
p.14 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
stgrove wrote:
Agree no IBIS is a deal breaker for me. Interesting on their analysis back when they originally spoke in favor of IBIS. Hipocracy today?
This is where the Fuji influencers keep saying it is OK without IBIS. Some seem ashamed while saying it, but if there is deviation from the Fuji-wanted story then the next model might not be provided for their "analysis".
I love watching camera YouTube and written reviews. I enjoy them very much and have my favorites of course. I love Jonas because he is one of the best photographers in the world and actually shoots the gear full time and has it all. Same with Ken. I could name several others who I watch. I even like several of them that only shoot what Fuji sends them for a few days and then never again after they post a video.
But I always keep this in mind. When it comes to things like telling me if I should like a dedicated dial or not having IBIS, I know more than them because I have shot the gear 500 times more in way more situations. And even if I don't know more than them, I have enough experience to know why I like, and I don't mind telling you what I like. I don't do YouTube, Facebook, Instagram or sell my work. I don't get gear from Fuji. I don't make money on photography. I only spend money on photography. Lots of it.
So, since my old dear friend (the grumpy old dictator) and his sometimes troll sidekick (who is a fine photographer and might even be a good guy in real life) are keeping me off the MF Board over there for a while for not agreeing 100% with the King on three areas of GFX photography (expert that I know he is), I will post here if Fred lets me. 🥸
p.14 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
As usual, the truth is always between real world minimums and marketing maximums.
Fuji says what they need to to sell cameras. Real world experience trumps what they say. For a more...seasoned...photographer who NEEDS stabilization, it's surely a needed feature. For others, those same use cases might not be an issue. It's down to the person to determine what they need.
If you have a GFX camera, throw a lens on there that can do 28mm, set to f4, turn off IBIS, and find your lowest comfortable shutter speed. Know that the RF can do slightly better than that due to the leaf shutter and light weight.
If you don't have a GFX camera, you are not equipped to have this conversation yet
p.14 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
As usual, the truth is always between real world minimums and marketing maximums.
Fuji says what they need to to sell cameras. Real world experience trumps what they say. For a more...seasoned...photographer who NEEDS stabilization, it's surely a needed feature. For others, those same use cases might not be an issue. It's down to the person to determine what they need.
If you have a GFX camera, throw a lens on there that can do 28mm, set to f4, turn off IBIS, and find your lowest comfortable shutter speed. Know that the RF can do slightly better than that due to the leaf shutter and light weight.
If you don't have a GFX camera, you are not equipped to have this conversation yet ...Show more →
I agree and will add that I don't believe everything a camera company tells me about my cameras that I buy from them. I do find it hilarious that Fuji is now referring to their system as Large Format. I love it and it is true because in the digital world, any sensor bigger than our beloved FF could be called large format in 2025.
I also love it because I know it drives the grumpy old dictator and his "you can only see it if you print big" sidekick absolutely bonkers with rage. 😁🤪
p.14 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
highdesertmesa wrote:
I've been shooting the M11 with the electronic shutter, so essentially the same thing as the 100RF – same pixel pitch and no shutter shock. I'm good to about 1/125 sec. Any lower, and I just take three shots, and one is always good. The 100RF looks easier to hold than the M11, though. I'm thinking I could probably do 1/30 sec. if I pay attention
+1
I used to be good to about 1/15, maybe 1/8 ... with concentrated technique on my old FE (yeah, I know).
But, I think the salient point here is to NOT FORGET that even if you need to keep your SS a bit higher, you've got a TON of headroom in your ISO. I mean, two stops from 1/30 to 1/125 "ain't nuttin" for a bump in ISO.
And, yes ... a leaf shutter is so much smoother (radial, counterbalancing forces acting like a mini-gyroscope) than a focal plane curtain, that whatever you can do with a focal plane shutter ... you can naturally do slower with a leaf shutter.
I've written many times over the years of a fantasy that Leica would develop a series of camera / (ILC) lenses with leaf shutters in them ... similarly sized to the M's. Imo, that would be the cat's meow.
This ... given the bump in sensor size ain't too shabby to think about. Compared to the Hassy X1D II (i.e. no IBIS) or 907X, mated with the Hassy pancake 45/4 (different FL), it's in the same ballpark. One nice thing about the Fuji, is it has a monochrome profile ... for previewing in mono, that the Hassy doesn't offer.
I'd be curious to better understand the optic of the Fuji 35/4 vs. the Hassy 45/4 P ... or 28/4 P (starting to see a pattern, here) as it pertains to its elements / drawing style. But, as to the discussion about f/4 in a pancake lens for MF sensor ... it looks like the Fuji is "splittin' the diff" vs. the Hassy with it's focal length. Vs. the 28 (i.e. 26 + distortion correction) Q3, I've kind of taken to shooting my Q2 with its 35mm crop, so the premise of the Q vs. the RF is inline. Would it be nice to have the OIS in the Fuji ... ummm, do I have OIS or IBIS in any of my M's
Yeah, on paper f/4 and no IBIS ... it kinda hits you in the face as a "Hard Pass" ... until you really start to think it through. Now, they need to next bring out a 100 RF with a fixed 63/2.8 (shades of the Q3 43).
p.14 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
I love watching camera YouTube and written reviews. I enjoy them very much and have my favorites of course. I love Jonas because he is one of the best photographers in the world and actually shoots the gear full time and has it all. Same with Ken. I could name several others who I watch. I even like several of them that only shoot what Fuji sends them for a few days and then never again after they post a video.
But I always keep this in mind. When it comes to things like telling me if I should like a dedicated dial or not having IBIS, I know more than them because I have shot the gear 500 times more in way more situations. And even if I don't know more than them, I have enough experience to know why I like, and I don't mind telling you what I like. I don't do YouTube, Facebook, Instagram or sell my work. I don't get gear from Fuji. I don't make money on photography. I only spend money on photography. Lots of it.
So, since my old dear friend (the grumpy old dictator) and his sometimes troll sidekick (who is a fine photographer and might even be a good guy in real life) are keeping me off the MF Board over there for a while for not agreeing 100% with the King on three areas of GFX photography (expert that I know he is), I will post here if Fred lets me. 🥸...Show more →
But you must realize that your many posts about the lack of ibis and the dedicated dial are very much like the YouTube people in that they are just your views of things. Different people have differing views. I know that dedicated dial would be wonderful for me and ibis even though would be nice is not a deal breaker for me. What attracts me to this camera is it’s size and ability to crop resulting in not needing to carry a bunch of lenses.
p.14 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
+1
I used to be good to about 1/15, maybe 1/8 ... with concentrated technique on my old FE (yeah, I know).
But, I think the salient point here is to NOT FORGET that even if you need to keep your SS a bit higher, you've got a TON of headroom in your ISO. I mean, two stops from 1/30 to 1/125 "ain't nuttin" for a bump in ISO.
And, yes ... a leaf shutter is so much smoother (radial, counterbalancing forces acting like a mini-gyroscope) than a focal plane curtain, that whatever you can do with a focal plane shutter ... you can naturally do slower with a leaf shutter....Show more →
Yep, with today’s high iso abilities in the sensors coupled with great noise removal software, I would think I could easily work around low light senarios.
p.14 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
chez wrote:
Yep, with today’s high iso abilities in the sensors coupled with great noise removal software, I would think I could easily work around low light senarios.
Yeah, and then there's that silly little thing called a tripod.
The one thing that has me looking at this (vs. Q) is the long exposure capability of the Fuji. While that's a niche genre for some, the Q taps out much sooner than the Fuji. In that regard, the Fuji has additional capability. Again, niche ... but, if you're a long exposure shooter, the MF (Hassy or Fuji) is nice. Wherer IBIS comes into play is the ability to skip the tripod in a lot of scenarios ... but, true long exposure, IBIS doesn't do anything for ya.
p.14 #15 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
Yeah, and then there's that silly little thing called a tripod.
The one thing that has me looking at this (vs. Q) is the long exposure capability of the Fuji. While that's a niche genre for some, the Q taps out much sooner than the Fuji. In that regard, the Fuji has additional capability. Again, niche ... but, if you're a long exposure shooter, the MF (Hassy or Fuji) is nice. Wherer IBIS comes into play is the ability to skip the tripod in a lot of scenarios ... but, true long exposure, IBIS doesn't do anything for ya.
I also find the subjects that I shoot don’t typically sit still so I usually am shooting at higher shutter speeds which would make ibis less useful for me. I definitely would take it if it was available, but it’s not a deal breaker for me.
p.14 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
If I could afford this camera even without IBIS I would have pre-ordered one. At 100MP for travel I'll shoot first and frame/crop later. I have the Big 3 (Photoshop, DXO PL8 Elite and Topaz AI). If I need to crank up the ISO no problem either any of the three software can minimize the noise. Lack of bokeh---no issue, Photoshop's superb lens blur filter can handle it. A little bit of lens or motion blur---no problemo---the Topaz AI can fix it. So it's really just affordability or lack there of. Anyway, I'm really liking my X100VI---enough cropping power and it's got IBIS :-)
p.14 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
chez wrote:
I also find the subjects that I shoot don’t typically sit still so I usually am shooting at higher shutter speeds which would make ibis less useful for me. I definitely would take it if it was available, but it’s not a deal breaker for me.
Yeah, I think if one takes inventory of what they are shooting ... and putting it into "categories", the lack of IBIS isn't as "all encompassing" as it might seem.
That said, I did take first notice of when I got a short tele without OIS in a DSLR, and realized I'd need to bring up my ISO / SS a bit. Here, with a 35 (28-ish), that relationship isn't as dependent on stabilization is it becomes with the longer glass. I'd suggest the decisions involved here were thought through ... to fit the pieces of the puzzle within a given context ... rather, than trying to be a "fit for all" tool.
I think those who find this tool well suited to them will be pleased by it. Others that aren't oriented within its context will likely find it an "Easy Pass".
p.14 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
, but it is a major disadvantage when compared to having GFX with IBIS, which all GFX cameras do except for the two first 50 MP models 7 years ago.
Big bodies with IBIS and focal plane shutter ... vs. Big Bodies WITHOUT IBIS and focal plane shutter ... vs.
Smaller, balanced body without IBIS and leaf shutter.
On paper (and recent experience with large GFX bodies and big lenses) folks may think IBIS is something they must have. Compared to the same Big body with focal plane shutter ... the conversation of IBIS vs. non-IBIS is certainly a +1 for IBIS.
BUT ... in the context of a better balanced body AND a Leaf Shutter ... that is a VERY DIFFERENT conversation, wrt to how much IBIS is a requirement. I think that folks who haven't shot leaf shutters much, will be very surprised as to how much they can achieve without IBIS ... with just a modicum of adjustment in their thinking / approach.
p.14 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
with just a modicum of adjustment in their thinking / approach.
I think you overestimate the average FMs poster's abilities here
Like most things in life, first hand experience trumps all. Unfortunately this camera's price is going to put that potential experience out of reach for many.
