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p.3 #1 · HSG to buy Leica


Interesting. I think you are right about:

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IBIS
Higher frame rates
Fully silent shooting
More powerful flash sync speeds
More advanced AF or manual focus aids depending on platform.


but "Faster boot times" will never come. I think we have to accept the fact that Santa does not exist and will never bring us the poney we asked for.
Because they did not fixed it since the M8 so my guess is that someone somewhere decided that missing the decisive moment with a Leica M because it went to sleep and took 2 seconds to wake up from its well deserved nap is a great idea and that changing his mind is not a "deutsch qualität".

I think we will have an animated holographic red logo with AI before.




Jun 02, 2026 at 07:03 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
There is literally nothing that would make Leica less unappealing to the mass market than the current prices, business practices, repair times, and dismal quality control.


Since when has Leica cared about the mass market?

To play along with the stereotype: if one is buying a Leica for the status, the more exclusive the experience, the better. Repair and QC are irrelevant because the hardware is for show. One can still go through the motions being a poseur photographer with a broken camera/lens.

If Kaufmann maintains majority ownership, then I agree with previous comments that outwardly very little will likely change for the Leica enthusiasts found here on this board (photographers who bought Leica equipment to use it).

If on the other hand this is the eventual demise of Leica, I'll still have my M glass and will use my M for as long as it (and the batteries) work. The glass can be adapted to other systems. Leica gear will still exist on the used market and M lenses especially should have great longevity. And in the longterm scarcity will set in and prices will go up! Though maybe by that point LLL will have replicated the entire M lens catalog.



Jun 02, 2026 at 09:33 PM
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Does this mean there is a chance that we will get a CCD sensor again for that real Leica look?


Jun 02, 2026 at 10:16 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
One can still go through the motions being a poseur photographer with a broken camera/lens.


Been there, done that, got the scratched film to show for it.



Jun 02, 2026 at 10:18 PM
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... I wonder what Leica's penetration in Asia is compared to other luxury peers. ...

I feel discomfort seeing the words Leica and penetration in the same sentence.







Jun 02, 2026 at 11:16 PM
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I feel discomfort seeing the words Leica and penetration in the same sentence.

Classic American puritanism, you should go live in a country with great wine, great food and a much more relaxed approach to penetration and other acts



Jun 02, 2026 at 11:26 PM
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On my recent trip to NZ I encountered a lot of wealthy Chinese tourists and I’ve never seen so many Hasselblads in the wild (dozens). Multiple guys wielding two X2Diis at once.. zero Leicas were spotted in ~4 weeks.

I had the opposite experience a couple of years ago in Zermatt. Leica Ms and especially Leica Qs were very popular among Chinese tourists back then.

Just an anecdote, but seems to be a huge market and it seems DJI ownership is helping Hasselblad a lot over there. Maybe that is a factor in that transaction, maybe not.



Jun 03, 2026 at 12:57 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Since when has Leica cared about the mass market?

To play along with the stereotype: if one is buying a Leica for the status, the more exclusive the experience, the better. Repair and QC are irrelevant because the hardware is for show. One can still go through the motions being a poseur photographer with a broken camera/lens.

If Kaufmann maintains majority ownership, then I agree with previous comments that outwardly very little will likely change for the Leica enthusiasts found here on this board (photographers who bought Leica equipment to use it).

If on the other hand this is the eventual demise
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Never thought about LLL even making an M digital camera. Wonder when the M9 patent runs out? They could bring back a CCD M9 with 24MP sensor then it would be a hit, just like most of their lenses are instant hits.
Just checked WIKI and if correct they say the M9 patent will expire on the date of introduction of the M9 in 2029. Actually not that far off.



Jun 03, 2026 at 10:23 AM
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stgrove wrote:
Never thought about LLL even making an M digital camera. Wonder when the M9 patent runs out? They could bring back a CCD M9 with 24MP sensor then it would be a hit, just like most of their lenses are instant hits.
Just checked WIKI and if correct they say the M9 patent will expire on the date of introduction of the M9 in 2029. Actually not that far off.


If a third-party made M camera comes to fruition, it likely won't be a traditional rangefinder M-like camera. More likely it will resemble the M EV1 with electronic viewfinder instead. Easier to make, less costly with less mechanical parts. Hammer an older but decent 24 MP FF sensor in it, equip with M-mount and avoid all the AF-based bells and whistles other MLCs have, and it will be a winner if sold for 1/4th of the price of the current M EV1. I am pretty sure some Chinese photo companies are already looking at this option or a similar one.



Jun 03, 2026 at 11:43 AM
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I just hope that the potential new owner revises the push only to focus Leica as luxury product and offers again camera and lens lines more reasonably priced for entry etc.


A few thoughts and receipts, regarding Leica's luxury strategy:

"Why Leica Is Suddenly the Best-Positioned Camera Company...by Alex Cooke

The conventional framing is that Leica is overpriced and irrelevant. The financial evidence suggests the opposite: Leica may be the best-positioned camera company in the industry, precisely because it operates by rules the rest of the market does not...

The Luxury Thesis

The camera market in 2026 is under structural pressure from multiple directions. Smartphones have absorbed the casual and some of the enthusiast tier of photography. Import tariffs and supply chain disruptions are increasing hardware costs. AI-generated imagery is depressing the value of commodity visual content. NAND shortages are raising costs across much of the storage chain, including many SSDs and high-performance camera cards photographers depend on. And the resulting competitive environment is squeezing margins for every manufacturer that sells on specifications.

Leica is largely insulated from all of this because it does not sell on specifications. It sells on identity.

This is not a novel observation in luxury economics. Luxury goods tend to be less price-elastic than mid-market goods, meaning that price increases do not reduce demand proportionally. They are less sensitive to economic downturns because the buyers are wealthier and less constrained by budget. And they are less vulnerable to technological substitution because the value proposition is not primarily about capability. A customer choosing between a $2,500 Sony and a $2,800 Canon is making a feature comparison. A customer choosing a $9,000 Leica M11-P is making a different kind of decision entirely, one driven by craftsmanship, heritage, aesthetic preference, and self-expression. The smartphone that "killed" the point-and-shoot market has no effect on this buyer, because this buyer was never making a capability calculation.

The data supports this. While CIPA numbers show the overall interchangeable-lens camera market fluctuating year to year, Leica has grown revenue in each of the last four fiscal years: from €485 million in FY 2022/23 to €554 million in FY 2023/24 (a 14% increase) to €596 million in FY 2024/25 (a 7.6% increase), with continued profitability growth alongside the revenue gains. That growth came across all regions: Europe up 7.6%, Asia up 7.3%, and North America up 6.2%...

Why It Matters

The reason this matters beyond Leica's own balance sheet is what it reveals about the camera market's future. Every camera manufacturer is facing the same fundamental question: in a world where smartphones provide "good enough" image quality for most people, what is the value proposition of a dedicated camera?

Canon, Nikon, and Sony are answering that question with capability: better sensors, better autofocus, better video, better lenses. That answer works, but it is expensive to maintain, difficult to differentiate, and subject to diminishing returns as each generation of improvement gets smaller.

Leica is answering the question with desire: a camera you want to hold, want to be seen with, want to own as an object and not just as a tool. That answer is harder to replicate because it depends on brand heritage that cannot be manufactured, design philosophy that cannot be rushed, and a customer relationship that is built over decades rather than product cycles.

In a market that is shrinking at the consumer end and commoditizing at the professional end, Leica's position is the one that is hardest to disrupt. Nobody will build a better Leica. The question is whether the rest of the industry can learn anything from a company that stopped competing on specifications and started competing on meaning."


https://fstoppers.com/business/why-leica-suddenly-best-positioned-camera-company-902300



Jun 03, 2026 at 04:41 PM
 


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Google AI:
The luxury market is navigating a cautious stabilization after a period of contraction. The overall outlook projects modest organic growth of 2.5% to 6%. Brands are pivoting toward value over volume, with a heavy emphasis on exclusive experiences, pricing power, and high-net-worth clienteling. (BNP Paribas)

I like Gucci shoes as much as the next man, but this is not the photographic experience I signed on to.



Jun 03, 2026 at 04:53 PM
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LBJ2 wrote:
A few thoughts and receipts, regarding Leica's luxury strategy:

"Why Leica Is Suddenly the Best-Positioned Camera Company...by Alex Cooke

The conventional framing is that Leica is overpriced and irrelevant. The financial evidence suggests the opposite: Leica may be the best-positioned camera company in the industry, precisely because it operates by rules the rest of the market does not...

The Luxury Thesis

The camera market in 2026 is under structural pressure from multiple directions. Smartphones have absorbed the casual and some of the enthusiast tier of photography. Import tariffs and supply chain disruptions are increasing hardware costs. AI-generated imagery is depressing the value of commodity
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So what is your point with this long reply to my statement? That you work for Leica?



Jun 03, 2026 at 05:38 PM
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Basically the same argument as Rolex has put forth ever since Seiko started selling in Europe. No longer the best, but for some, the most desirable, if you have the money.


Jun 03, 2026 at 05:42 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
So what is your point with this long reply to my statement? That you work for Leica?



basically the write-up says your wish that Leica will reverse-course on being a luxury product will simply not happen. it's relying on identity and being a brand of luxury to survive and it's succeeding in doing so. it doesn't have to appeal to the market that you yearn for.



Jun 03, 2026 at 05:53 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
There is literally nothing that would make Leica less unappealing to the mass market than the current prices, business practices, repair times, and dismal quality control.

Hopeful that new ownership can right the ship much like DJI has done by innovating at the same, if not lower (compared to inflation) price point.


Leica does not target the mass market. None of these factors influence Leica purchasers or owners.



Jun 03, 2026 at 10:13 PM
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Leica has grown tremendously over the past 20 years and has been posting record revenues in recent years. That’s the kind of business investors want to preserve and grow, not completely reshape.


Jun 03, 2026 at 10:32 PM
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Surfnsun wrote:
Leica has grown tremendously over the past 20 years and has been posting record revenues in recent years. That’s the kind of business investors want to preserve and grow, not completely reshape.


Could be, but often they also take the pieces and divvy them up depending on where the money is.

Look, it can go many ways: it can stay the same, with a slow pace based on the company’s heritage; it can change, with the SL line being dropped and a Q line being expanded; or the brand moving into a luxury line, like Mont Blanc, which sells everything from pens, to leather goods to fragrances; or moving down market; or making a ton of collectibles for rich Asians.

For my purposes, I just hope they stay true to being a relatively unique offering in our market. Personally, for me, that would for example be a lower-end M, a Q interchangeable lens system and the SL style moving up to compete with Hasselblad and Fuji in the medium format space. That would mean an enormous injection of cash to develop, so I doubt it’s gonna happen.

But I think Hasselblad is alone in being able to create an entire new offering that both builds on its heritage and is among the most modern cameras around. And for decent prices for what they represent, instead of Leica boosting prices almost Willy-nilly.



Jun 04, 2026 at 02:38 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
Could be, but often they also take the pieces and divvy them up depending on where the money is.

Look, it can go many ways: it can stay the same, with a slow pace based on the company’s heritage; it can change, with the SL line being dropped and a Q line being expanded; or the brand moving into a luxury line, like Mont Blanc, which sells everything from pens, to leather goods to fragrances; or moving down market; or making a ton of collectibles for rich Asians.

For my purposes, I just hope they stay true to being a relatively
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You can forget about Leica doing medium format in the foreseeable future. Management says that it wasn't profitable in the past and they see no path to profitability in the future. They have no interest in pursuing medium format.



Jun 04, 2026 at 03:37 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
You can forget about Leica doing medium format in the foreseeable future. Management says that it wasn't profitable in the past and they see no path to profitability in the future. They have no interest in pursuing medium format.


I can believe that. Of course, their MF was also only 36 or 37MP at the time. Nice cameras and lenses, but otherwise not really earth shattering. Nowadays, with both Fuji and Hasselblad offering great stuff at reasonable prices, it would be even harder for Leica to play in that space.



Jun 04, 2026 at 05:29 AM
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dalegaspi wrote:
basically the write-up says your wish that Leica will reverse-course on being a luxury product will simply not happen. it's relying on identity and being a brand of luxury to survive and it's succeeding in doing so. it doesn't have to appeal to the market that you yearn for.


I clarified it earlier - I did not say that Leica would reverse the course not being a luxury brand anymore. What I said is that in addition to the luxury stuff they might reconsider adding lines for entry levels like the M-E camera versions or less expensive but excellent Summarit lens lines. This is IMO not a deviation from a the luxury strategy but a smart addition to attract younger folks or photographers considering switching to Leica from a more general photo brand. I believe it was a mistake from Kaufmann & Co to desert the entry market with single-sided focus only on luxury. IMO they lost quite a lot potential new customers by doing so.



Jun 04, 2026 at 06:54 AM
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