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which lens has the most 3D POP?

  
 
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p.129 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




gregfountain wrote:
This is with the Leica APO-Summicron-SL 75/2 on an SL2....posting it at 2400 pixels so you might need to click it to fit your screen. I love this lens as well as the 35mm version. There's lots of great lenses out there.


I have the 35 mm version of this lens.
Which Karbe said is the best of the best.

The quality and lack of defects are great

But I see no 3d pop in my lens. Superb lens in every way. Clinical though.. In my opinion



Apr 08, 2026 at 02:22 PM
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p.129 #2 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




3dpophunter wrote:


But I see no 3d pop in my lens. Superb lens in every way. Clinical though.. In my opinion


Turn the lens around, you clearly have it mounted backwards...



Apr 08, 2026 at 03:01 PM
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p.129 #3 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Sony/Minolta 135mm f2.8 [t4.5 ]STF for sure!


Apr 08, 2026 at 03:42 PM
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p.129 #4 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


3dpophunter wrote:
I have the 35 mm version of this lens.
Which Karbe said is the best of the best.

The quality and lack of defects are great

But I see no 3d pop in my lens. Superb lens in every way. Clinical though.. In my opinion


Okay, yeah, as long as we're being honest that the quality of an image from a particular lens is very subjective, then I'll agree that it's possible that your lens isn't serving your needs.



Apr 08, 2026 at 04:29 PM
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p.129 #5 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


senna4ever wrote:
Sony/Minolta 135mm f2.8 [t4.5 ]STF for sure!


I agree. Do you have that lens? I started with Minolta then to Konica-Minolta and got into portraiture. I was debating between that lens and the Minolta 85G that I ended up with the latter as I wanted to shoot some action. The Minolta 135 STF has an amazing bokeh but so does the 85G.



Apr 08, 2026 at 04:43 PM
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p.129 #6 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Going back through my photos, maybe not pop to most, but dimensionality and depth.








Apr 08, 2026 at 09:22 PM
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p.129 #7 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


that's a perfect example of frequencies delta without relying on shallow DoF as a parameter and actually in two ways as the smooth water and detailed rock textures compound the effect as whole scene. also its just a great photo lol


Apr 08, 2026 at 09:32 PM
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p.129 #8 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


gregfountain wrote:
This is with the Leica APO-Summicron-SL 75/2 on an SL2....posting it at 2400 pixels so you might need to click it to fit your screen. I love this lens as well as the 35mm version. There's lots of great lenses out there.


About this Leica lens, in the description on Leica's website we can read :

Higher Contrast for greater perceived depth

With an initial aperture of f/2, the SL-Summicron lenses are significantly more compact than faster lenses, but still allow photographers to work with similar depth of field. The reason for this is contrast: the zone of highest contrast is perceived by viewers as being sharp, while zones with lower contrast are regarded as being unsharp.

In the case of SL-Summicron lenses, this difference in contrast is considerably higher than that of conventional lenses: sharply focused objects show much higher contrast than objects that are out of focus. This means that objects “snap” more distinctly out of the foreground or background and more effectively isolate the subject. This creates a three-dimensional visual effect with very impressive apparent depth.




Apr 09, 2026 at 07:28 AM
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p.129 #9 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


tsdevine wrote:
Going back through my photos, maybe not pop to most, but dimensionality and depth.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55195127332_24975b7fdd_h.jpg


Yes, this is a good example how selective lightning and long-exposure smoothed water can replace the blur from aperture.



Apr 09, 2026 at 07:58 AM
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p.129 #10 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


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About this Leica lens, in the description on Leica's website we can read :

Higher Contrast for greater perceived depth

With an initial aperture of f/2, the SL-Summicron lenses are significantly more compact than faster lenses, but still allow photographers to work with similar depth of field. The reason for this is contrast: the zone of highest contrast is perceived by viewers as being sharp, while zones with lower contrast are regarded as being unsharp.

In the case of SL-Summicron lenses, this difference in contrast is considerably higher than that of conventional lenses: sharply focused objects show much higher contrast than objects that

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Thanks for the link---great sample pics! Here's one from Zeiss

https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/en/article/micro-contrast-and-the-zeiss-pop-by-lloyd-chambers


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p.129 #11 · which lens has the most 3D POP?



1bwana1 wrote:
Turn the lens around, you clearly have it mounted backwards...


Yeah because if I don't see a 3d pop in that lens I must be using it wrong.


Edited on Apr 09, 2026 at 10:49 AM · View previous versions



Apr 09, 2026 at 10:31 AM
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p.129 #12 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




tsdevine wrote:
Going back through my photos, maybe not pop to most, but dimensionality and depth.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55195127332_24975b7fdd_h.jpg


Great shot! To my eyes this is a 3d pop. Looks like you're shooting somewhat stopped down but the texture and definition is interesting



Apr 09, 2026 at 10:33 AM
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p.129 #13 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


I think the SIgma 85mm Art does a pretty good job here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CbLAQGTmsFDKoJD59
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wFYyB2YFCCV8jrHy5

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aGakjiqJMsKuLzkq7



Apr 09, 2026 at 11:31 AM
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jakelindsay wrote:
I asked Chat to create a landscape with some 3D Pop.



3D SLOP!



Apr 09, 2026 at 02:12 PM
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p.129 #15 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


tuxounet wrote:
About this Leica lens, in the description on Leica's website we can read :

Higher Contrast for greater perceived depth

With an initial aperture of f/2, the SL-Summicron lenses are significantly more compact than faster lenses, but still allow photographers to work with similar depth of field. The reason for this is contrast: the zone of highest contrast is perceived by viewers as being sharp, while zones with lower contrast are regarded as being unsharp.

In the case of SL-Summicron lenses, this difference in contrast is considerably higher than that of conventional lenses: sharply focused objects show much higher contrast than objects that

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I've read that but thanks for the refresh. Since this thread will never decide anything, I'll risk dropping my understanding of what "pop" is;

Pop = the transition from focused to unfocused is pronounced and exaggerated by lens design. Many people perceive that as being three dimensional.

When I started photography almost 20 years ago, I chased that look. I always had to get the faster primes in every camera system I've used, but over time I started thinking about it differently and realized I didn't really care for it, almost as much as I dislike ring-lighted catchlights.

Anyway, I hope everyone is having a great day - it's sunny here today and it's starting to feel like we're exiting the weeks-at-time rain season!

Greg


Apr 09, 2026 at 03:02 PM
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p.129 #16 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


notice only upper half of body has effect







Apr 09, 2026 at 03:27 PM
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p.129 #17 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


That section of the image has: more eye attracting content, and ANY human face seems to activate greater scrutiny in our visual cortex. Much more macro contrast (hair vs face). Focus point is there, not lower half. More dimensional content too, roller and sign. And detail in wall and pipe. These are some reasons BUT they are composition-based, not optical artefacts.


Apr 09, 2026 at 10:55 PM
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Many, many photographers confuse optical products of 3D with the 3D-inducing compositions they create. It may be unconscious that we do this, but it is another complicating factor. Here are three deep image lenses used for such compositions. They answer the question: what happens when you use high 3D lenses at stopped down apertures with (shamelessly!) arranged leading lines or subject size differences? Even more 3D, enough to 3D pop a tubie of beer over.

The first two are from the Zeiss CY 21/2.8, a very complex lens (15/13) that appears to lack ED; later iterations in the ZEF and Milvus lines use APD glass, something that is on my radar as a cause of flat imaging. The third is from Sony's FE55 - that one has just one ED element in a 7/5 design with loads of aspherical surfaces, five in all out of just ten glass-air surfaces! Only Leica is doing that kind of thing these days..to my knowledge. I believe asph surfacing gives us a different form of modern artefacting, but that is another ongoing process of understanding.




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Apr 09, 2026 at 11:15 PM
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It's intriguing that the Chinese lens makers have not jumped into the deep end of the APO pool, to keep Cosina, Zeiss and Leica company. Viltrox have a pair of APOs coming soon, at 35mm and 55mm but we see almost none before this time in regular focal lengths. As they clearly do not lack the expertise to do so, it seems to be a decision they have made. It might have something to do with leaving a little CA in their images to boost their appeal in other areas, such as image depth inside a softer aesthetic.

'Some theories suggest that certain aberrations, like LoCA (green/purple fringing) around the focus plane, contribute to the "pop" by increasing perceived contrast and sharpness in that plane.'

Jono Slack has mentioned that he feels that CA may indeed add to sharpness in such lenses; and he contrasts that effect with APOs that remove CA and offer greater detail while not appearing as sharp in viewed images. I reserve judgment on this interesting theory, but it may explain why many lenses that are quite run-of-the-mill (in MTF terms) nevertheless make images that look really sharp stopped down. I have seen this myself, very often.

What often happens in fields of fast-moving technology is a kind of monomania in the design studios, where the narrow pursuit of just one factor precludes a thorough examination of the effect of other innovations. Here, we can point to the attempts to banish CA (using ED/APD glass) and - out of left field - multi-coating as known unknowns.

Most have simply bought the lens producers' PR that these are onwards and upwards unadulterated benefits - advantages over what came before. But we can't trust these people. They have made these decisions by themselves and invested vast sums in them. They have an agenda.

But multi-coating may give with one had and take away with the other. You get better micro-contrast ('enough' of this is also needed for 3D) and saturation and reductions in veiling glare, sure enough. But how close are the resulting images to human vision?

'multi-coating on photo lenses can reduce unwanted tonal gradients, specifically those caused by veiling glare (internal reflections) which reduce contrast and flatten image tones. By applying multiple layers of anti-reflective coatings, lens manufacturers minimize internal light scattering, leading to improved micro-contrast and more precise, sharper tonal transitions.'

It seems to be a factor in why images look so 'good', an effect beloved of real estate agents. It may be that the level of coatings development in 'vintage lenses' (say pre-2000) were a big reason why those lenses have such magnificent 3D. We are looking at a multi-factorial issue here, obviously.

I also want to say that one's experience might help explain why some see 3D more easily. I used medium format film (Fuji 645/690, Mamiya 6/7) for a decade before digital got so big it was hard to ignore. I then used Zeiss Contax lenses on Sony DSLRs, followed by the a7 cameras. What did the MF lenses and the Zeiss lenses have in common, something that formed by sense of what images should look like?

They are all slow (f3.5, f4, even slower, (with just the 21/2.8 as my 'fast' lens) and they were all simple designs, often five elements or so, again excepting the 21mm. They all used coatings from the latter part of the last century. All has some form of CA, though it was minor. 3D became embedded in my imagery, in my mind, and in my expectations going forward.



Apr 10, 2026 at 12:01 AM
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Yep, that's my point, if the lens can exhibit both 3DP in one section and not another, it's just another indicator that the effect could be more dependent on specific lighting and composition (for the frequency zone differences). The lens used in that shot was the GF110mm. But I took subsequent shots in that same garage with different light angles and they looked flat due to a more uniform frequency distribution.

CA I'm not sure either way about. In some scenes it can help and in others it makes it can make it worse. Lensing per scene is really creatively situational, so it's hard to say for that one.

I also think depth cue where Ponzo effect would be present can help but isn't the major driver in composition. But if there's enough of the non-subject to allow more contrasting texture then that helps. Like I've noticed it more in photos where the subject doesn't completely fill the frame (another reason why there are some super-tele photos that have it but not as high percentage wise relative to wider fov lenses).

Think all the Ch-APO clones will be coming over the next few years.

Now thinking about I've seen a lot of photos taken with phones that definitely have 3DP more and more recently, so it's probable that the major manufacturers are aware of this and have already tuned the output to process for this.



Apr 10, 2026 at 02:22 AM
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