p.45 #1 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hi Brett.
Thanks for having a look and for the feedback.
The telephoto pan is actually not telephoto and it's not a pan. It's my RF 50/1.8 mounted on my gimbal and I'm doing a low angle slider move. The ducks are very tame so I got within a couple of feet.
Regarding ND's, yes absolutely I'm using NDs. I use non-variable ND's on my RF 50/1.8 and RF 16/2.8, I have a set with 3-6 and 10 stops. I use the wonderful 95mm NISI True Color VND on my RF100-500 and RF 200-800. ( I never deviate from the 180 dree rule ).
p.45 #2 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
artsupreme wrote:
Cool, you appeared very close to the ducks so I figured you punched in with a longer lens. But that's great you can get that close to them.
And you are shooting 30fps in the non slo mo stuff?
I have my camera's custom video functions permanently set to shoot 3 different video format: 4K120 fps, 4K Fine 30 fps, and 4K crop mode @ 60 fps. The R5 automatically renders 120 fps as 30 fps, the 60 fps plays nicely on a 30 fps timeline in Davinci, and the 4K Fine comes in at 30 fps. Therefore I always use a 30 fps timeline when editing.
p.45 #3 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
It's finally warming up here in Ottawa and I was able to go outside and operate my camera for a couple of hours at a time this week without my gloves on. This gave me a chance to work with my new gimbal and to record some ambient sound with my new on-camera shotgun mic. This video is my first crack at including all three things that I want to work on in order to "up my game" this year and hopefully make my videos more interesting and watchable. These things are: to include more cinematic elements such as creative camera moves (hence the gimbal); record on-location ambient sound; and shoot in C-Log3 as much as possible.
(By the way, I'm aware that the image quality on some of these clips is pretty crappy so no need to comment on that issue).
Cheers,
Rudy ...Show more →
Neat little video Rudy!
Nice you can get into the group of ducks and get those ultra close-up clips. The whole video was nice, music first rate, and it seems your gimbal is working well for you.
Dave
p.45 #4 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
dj63401 wrote:
Neat little video Rudy!
Nice you can get into the group of ducks and get those ultra close-up clips. The whole video was nice, music first rate, and it seems your gimbal is working well for you.
Dave
p.45 #5 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
It's finally warming up here in Ottawa and I was able to go outside and operate my camera for a couple of hours at a time this week without my gloves on. This gave me a chance to work with my new gimbal and to record some ambient sound with my new on-camera shotgun mic. This video is my first crack at including all three things that I want to work on in order to "up my game" this year and hopefully make my videos more interesting and watchable. These things are: to include more cinematic elements such as creative camera moves (hence the gimbal); record on-location ambient sound; and shoot in C-Log3 as much as possible.
(By the way, I'm aware that the image quality on some of these clips is pretty crappy so no need to comment on that issue).
Very nice and left a comment on Youtube. May I ask what gimbal are you using? I do not own one but thinking about getting one for our camping trips with my dog. Not so much for wildlife. Glad you are getting some better weather, not so much here. I am going on a little trip leaving next week for wildlife. Hopefully I get some footage with the C50. This will be the first trip with it vs my dog or near by.
p.45 #6 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Here is a neat little support foot for any one using 15mm rods. I first seen this on instagram. I figured I would give it a try. It works very well and no tools needed, it just snaps on. Super light weight and fairly thin so you can just throw it in your pocket etc when not using it. I would need to rely on my side handle when placing the rig down so it does not fall over. Not any more with this little foot which you can also use for a ground support for some footage. This is the High version.
p.45 #7 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
RobAmy wrote:
Very nice and left a comment on Youtube. May I ask what gimbal are you using? I do not own one but thinking about getting one for our camping trips with my dog. Not so much for wildlife. Glad you are getting some better weather, not so much here. I am going on a little trip leaving next week for wildlife. Hopefully I get some footage with the C50. This will be the first trip with it vs my dog or near by.
Thanks for watching and for your great comment on my YouTube channel.
The gimbal I bought is the ZHIYUN CINEPEER Weebill 3E. I did a lot of research before buying it and for what I want it (a no-frills, high weight capacity, does the job, reliable mini gimbal), it has some advantages over other brands... good customers service too.
p.45 #8 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Thanks for watching and for your great comment on my YouTube channel.
The gimbal I bought is the ZHIYUN CINEPEER Weebill 3E. I did a lot of research before buying it and for what I want it (a no-frills, high weight capacity, does the job, reliable mini gimbal), it has some advantages over other brands... good customers service too.
Rudy
Nice Rudy. I’m still using the 7yr old Weebill S. It works great, so I imagine your updated version is near perfect. I’m surprised my motors haven’t burned out because I’m overloading it with the RF 24-70, but it’s still kicking after 5yrs of use.
p.45 #9 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
artsupreme wrote:
Nice Rudy. I’m still using the 7yr old Weebill S. It works great, so I imagine your updated version is near perfect. I’m surprised my motors haven’t burned out because I’m overloading it with the RF 24-70, but it’s still kicking after 5yrs of use.
Wow Brett, you're flying the 24-70 on it - that's monstrous compared to my feather-weight 50/1.8 and 16/2.8. Great stuff.
p.45 #10 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Hey guys, maybe you can jump in with some advice or suggestions.
So here's my problem: I'm not happy with the image quality in a number of my wide angle slow-motion clips - they're not sharp enough for my tastes and a bit on the grainy side (mind you, it was not a clear sunny day, but dull). In my recent video all these clips except one were shot using the RF 50/1.8 with a 6-stop ND filter and using 4K120. This is a really nice and light setup and lets me do nice smooth, handheld tracking shots of birds in flight.
There are two problems with the 4K120 video format: it's line-skipped (or pixel-binned) so that the IQ is not so great to begin with, plus it's quite slow to lock on and gets focus compared to the other formats, especially with moving subjects. My RF 100-500 is way faster to lock on and focus, but it's way heavier and of course, I can't get the nice wide shots that includes lots of birds at once.
What are some possibilities? A different lens, and if so which one(s)?
p.45 #11 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hey guys, maybe you can jump in with some advice or suggestions.
So here's my problem: I'm not happy with the image quality in a number of my wide angle slow-motion clips - they're not sharp enough for my tastes and a bit on the grainy side (mind you, it was not a clear sunny day, but dull). In my recent video all these clips except one were shot using the RF 50/1.8 with a 6-stop ND filter and using 4K120. This is a really nice and light setup and lets me do nice smooth, handheld tracking shots of birds in flight.
There are two problems with the 4K120 video format: it's line-skipped (or pixel-binned) so that the IQ is not so great to begin with, plus it's quite slow to lock on and gets focus compared to the other formats, especially with moving subjects. My RF 100-500 is way faster to lock on and focus, but it's way heavier and of course, I can't get the nice wide shots that includes lots of birds at once.
What are some possibilities? A different lens, and if so which one(s)?
p.45 #12 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Wow Brett, you're flying the 24-70 on it - that's monstrous compared to my feather-weight 50/1.8 and 16/2.8. Great stuff.
Rudy
Yes, the old weebill S is a workhorse. R5II and RF 24-70 f/2.8. I love the rear handle mount on the old S for comfortable holding while under slinging close to the ground.
p.45 #13 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Hey guys, maybe you can jump in with some advice or suggestions.
So here's my problem: I'm not happy with the image quality in a number of my wide angle slow-motion clips - they're not sharp enough for my tastes and a bit on the grainy side (mind you, it was not a clear sunny day, but dull). In my recent video all these clips except one were shot using the RF 50/1.8 with a 6-stop ND filter and using 4K120.
Thanks
Rudy
Rudy,
I'm not very experienced with ND filter, but so what, . Have you tried the 50 1.8 and R5 120 fps without the ND filter at the same f stop on your gimbal moving? I have read a lot of folks that have IQ problems with ND filters.I know you worked hard to get a quality ND filter, but?? Also, I struggled on waterfall images and focus using ND filters. It might not be the lens but the nature of the beast.
Dave
p.45 #14 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
artsupreme wrote:
What aperture? Sounds like a large one since you are using 6 stop ND. Could be a large aperture + slightly mis focus combo with that setup.
Brett,
I just used the EXIF tool and checked the apertures in all the clips in my video and they range from F3.5 to f11 depending on where I am positioned with respect to the sun. The clip you liked with the birds flying upwards by the trees is almost directly into the sun as is f11. The ones shooting into shade are f3.5 Based on MFT tests this lens is sharpest at F4 to f5.6.
One challenge with my ND setup is that my NDs are screw-ons and very tiny in order to fit on and work on the miniscule lens barrels on the 50/1.8 and 36/2.8. It's a MAJOR pain to swap the NDs with bare hands in below zero weather. So I put the 6-stop ND on and manage the range using aperture adjustments.
If I shelled out for a higher quality lens that would focus faster and be sharper (although the 50/1.8 is no dog), it would likely be too heavy for my gimbal.
My quess it that if there was a bit more sun the clarity and focus speed would likely have been better.
p.45 #15 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
dj63401 wrote:
Rudy,
I'm not very experienced with ND filter, but so what, . Have you tried the 50 1.8 and R5 120 fps without the ND filter at the same f stop on your gimbal moving? I have read a lot of folks that have IQ problems with ND filters.I know you worked hard to get a quality ND filter, but?? Also, I struggled on waterfall images and focus using ND filters. It might not be the lens but the nature of the beast.
Dave
Thanks for the feedback, Dave.
Yes, I understand that the videos IQ probably takes at least a bit of a hit because of an ND filter. However, I'm forced to use an ND if I'm going to shoot in Log, and I'm determined to work in Log until I've had enough evidence from experience with it to be thoroughly convinced that it's just not worth the time, trouble and expense. I haven't got to that conclusion yet so I'll continue working away at this. Besides, it's actually fun to try these new things.
p.45 #16 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
Brett,
I just used the EXIF tool and checked the apertures in all the clips in my video and they range from F3.5 to f11 depending on where I am positioned with respect to the sun. The clip you liked with the birds flying upwards by the trees is almost directly into the sun as is f11. The ones shooting into shade are f3.5 Based on MFT tests this lens is sharpest at F4 to f5.6.
One challenge with my ND setup is that my NDs are screw-ons and very tiny in order to fit on and work on the miniscule lens barrels on the 50/1.8 and 36/2.8. It's a MAJOR pain to swap the NDs with bare hands in below zero weather. So I put the 6-stop ND on and manage the range using aperture adjustments.
If I shelled out for a higher quality lens that would focus faster and be sharper (although the 50/1.8 is no dog), it would likely be too heavy for my gimbal.
My quess it that if there was a bit more sun the clarity and focus speed would likely have been better.
Got it. You mentioned you were only a few feet from the ducks so for the one clip I figured if you were using a larger aperture it wouldn't capture the ducks in the way you want it to. I've always been an extreme large aperture junkie with stills, but I've had to learn how to stop down in recent years when shooting video as it's tough for the camera to track moving subjects with razor thin DOF.
It's tough to have a fixed ND for run and gun because you are always shooting in different directions, so it might be that your 6 stop ND can require a larger aperture than the desired DOF sometimes.
As for lens weight and size, your gimbal has updated/stronger motors than mine, so you should easily be able to support any lenses you want to use. This guy is using an RF 15-35 f/2.8 and RF 24-70 f/2.8 on your gimbal:
I'm debating picking up the RF 28-70 f/2.8 STM lens for video because it's almost half the weight of my 24-70, plus the 67mm filter size of all my VCM's that I use on the gimbal. I also bought the RF 24-105 f/4 a while back thinking I would use it for video, but I've never used it so I might just sell it and buy the 28-70 STM to shed some weight on the gimbal.
p.45 #17 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
This little video is part of my ongoing practice footage tests done in Canon C-Log 3. I'm trying to shoot all kinds of different subjects in different lighting conditions with different lenses and using different video formats... all in C-log3 with ND filters. (My apologies to those who are getting a little weary of seeing these types of videos - please ignore them in the future 😟 - thanks. I'm posting them as examples for others who might be considering C-Log3).
I like the colours and the sharpness of the fur in this footage.
p.45 #18 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Here is a video comparing the Canon R1 vs the Canon C50 @ 120fps. I wanted to see how the AF was and the colors between them. I am very pleased with AF of the C50 which I feel does very well against the R1. All footage was shot in Clog 2 with same LUT and editing applied.
I used the C50 with the 100-300 and the R1 with the 24-105 f2.8. Both using VND filters (different brands).
p.45 #19 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
RobAmy wrote:
Here is a video comparing the Canon R1 vs the Canon C50 @ 120fps. I wanted to see how the AF was and the colors between them. I am very pleased with AF of the C50 which I feel does very well against the R1. All footage was shot in Clog 2 with same LUT and editing applied.
I used the C50 with the 100-300 and the R1 with the 24-105 f2.8. Both using VND filters (different brands).
You did a great job on this comparison, Rob. I can't see any substantial difference between the two outcomes - they both look great with terrific auto focus performance!
Rudy
p.45 #20 · Canon video thread for hybrid shooters...
Rudy Pohl wrote:
This little video is part of my ongoing practice footage tests done in Canon C-Log 3. I'm trying to shoot all kinds of different subjects in different lighting conditions with different lenses and using different video formats... all in C-log3 with ND filters. (My apologies to those who are getting a little weary of seeing these types of videos - please ignore them in the future 😟 - thanks. I'm posting them as examples for others who might be considering C-Log3).
I like the colours and the sharpness of the fur in this footage.
. Have you tried the 50 1.8 and R5 120 fps without the ND filter at the same f stop on your gimbal moving? I have read a lot of folks that have IQ problems with ND filters.I know you worked hard to get a quality ND filter, but?? Also, I struggled on waterfall images and focus using ND filters. It might not be the lens but the nature of the beast.