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Robin Smith wrote:
I looked at the OM3 at the recent NYC photo show and was surprised to find I liked it more than I had when just looking at its specs. I still don’t need it though.


Ha! What has need got do to with it? I have a lot of cameras - I only need one....



Oct 11, 2025 at 06:18 AM
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I really want to like M4/3, in fact I finish a year long saving scheme in Jan and I started it to have something to buy (lens or camera) in Jan as a treat.
Originally I was thinking of a couple of Nikon lenses but I have been wanting to get into the wildlife side of things as I also started volunteering at a local reserve. So I could get the 180-600mm, but that is a minimum with tripod of 5kg with no other lenses.
M4/3 is lighter, has the 2X crop factor which gives amazing reach but I am struggling to
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I'm a bit late coming back to this thread however I'd say without a doubt that hiring the OM1ii and the new 50-200 F2.8 + 1.4 TC for a weekend would be your best best. Yes it may cost you £150-200 but you'd easily lose that if buying, regretting and then selling on again. However I doubt you'd be disappointed in any way. Everything I've seen from the 50-200 F2.8 (with or without the 1.4 TC) is spectacular.

You are also comparing 20mp files with 24mp files. You can't even take advantage of say larger Sony 61mp files for cropping purposes. Pixels on subject the x2 reach is going to be better in that regard.

For birding I'd also take a look at the superb, and ridiculously sharp, 300/4 (600mm or 840mm with the x1.4 which works almost as well as bare). Check YT videos.
I have that setup and one of the reasons people give for not buying it is 'framing flexibility' well unless you are shooting eagles or ostriches etc. that is almost never a concern because how often does a bird actually fill the frame (even if you have great field skills)? I could likely count on one hand the number of times I miss a shot because the bird is toooo close. There's a reason that the best and most popular bird lenses are the 600/4, 500/4 and 400/2.8+x1.4 TC.



Oct 29, 2025 at 12:09 AM
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Hello everyone,

Quite an interesting read, and I’m on and off tempted by MFT and the OM1 Mk2 for Wildlife and Safari.

I recently acquired a Sony A1II and a 200-600, believing that this is the best possible choice, and now I’m scratching my head, wondering if I made a wrong choice. I took the combo out for a few shoots and the picture quality left something to wish for. There may be many reasons, AF, Shutter speed, etc., but I believe that I’ve taken a reasonable amount of shots to eliminate everything else but the quality of the lens.

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I used the Sony 200-600 on an A7r5 for a safari trip to SA. It was just OK.

However the A1ii is the best camera out there, no question, of any brand. I'd say try better lenses on the Sony but then ... the weight.

So my advice would be the same as the above for Wasted Images : rent an OM1ii and the new 50-200 F2.8 + 1.4 TC for a weekend, or the 300/4 (plus both TCs) or indeed the 150-400 (it has an integrated x1.25 TC) if your budget stretches that far. Then you'll know, no if or buts.



Oct 29, 2025 at 12:24 AM
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Hi All,

a little update from my side, I haven't had a chance to really upload something, but I have figured out that the pictures are okay, problem was on my end. My wrong conclusions were coming from me not having the right amount of time to work a bit with the pictures and to compare properly.

I was able to get also my hand on comparisons from Duade from YT, he had RAW Files to download. That was quite an eye opener. the 150-400 sees hardly a drop in image quality at least with the internal TC PLUS the external 1.4
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Sorry just catching up with your posts so I'm behind the curve. Pangolin Safaris have an excellent comparison between their in-house photographer who uses a Canon 600/4 (I think) and an OM Ambassador using the 150-400. In some instances the Canon wins and in others the OM. It's really worth watching that video if you are comparing specifically for safaris.

Of course most people wil use their gear for more than safaris so that needs to be a consideration too !



Oct 29, 2025 at 12:31 AM
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Frogfish wrote:
Sorry just catching up with your posts so I'm behind the curve. Pangolin Safaris have an excellent comparison between their in-house photographer who uses a Canon 600/4 (I think) and an OM Ambassador using the 150-400. In some instances the Canon wins and in others the OM. It's really worth watching that video if you are comparing specifically for safaris.

Of course most people wil use their gear for more than safaris so that needs to be a consideration too !


The Pangolin folks use the RF 400 f/2.8 on R3s and sometimes with a 1.4x TC. Some with the EF/RF convertor. Prior to the R3 they used 1Dx MkIVs Haven't seen a 600 in their hands. It was Janine's video with the RF400 vs the Great White Wizard that convinced me to buy Gandalf.



Oct 29, 2025 at 02:35 PM
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Does anyone have experience shooting both Sony full-frame and Olympus OM1 II Micro-Four-Third images?

(cross-posted from Sony forum)


I shoot A1 and OM-1.1 (same sensor and processor as Mk II). I was from Sony FF, then to OM-1 for the weight, but now Sony has quite a few lightweight tele-lenses, I'm more or less back to Sony. I still have m43 for lightweight travel.

The FF handles the noise better than OM-1, but the OM-1's IBIS is very good, especially with the Sync IS (only certain lenses). With the IS, you can drop the SS to offset the ISO. I'm comfortable shooting 1/40s @ 420/5.6 (840mm FFE) handheld, and in a pinch, 1/6s with less keepers. I think OM-1 is one of the best low-light performers via the slow SS. That being said, when you can't drop the SS low enough, you really really really want FF.

Sony's tracking works, not so much for OM-1 (AF is a bit jumpy at times).

Many m43 users bring up NR software for the noise, but IMHO, you still want a clean source image for PP. With the same ISO, FF still has the advantage.



Nov 01, 2025 at 06:20 PM
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I shoot A1 and OM-1.1 (same sensor and processor as Mk II). I was from Sony FF, then to OM-1 for the weight, but now Sony has quite a few lightweight tele-lenses, I'm more or less back to Sony. I still have m43 for lightweight travel.

The FF handles the noise better than OM-1, but the OM-1's IBIS is very good, especially with the Sync IS (only certain lenses). With the IS, you can drop the SS to offset the ISO. I'm comfortable shooting 1/40s @ 420/5.6 (840mm FFE) handheld, and in a pinch, 1/6s with less keepers. I think OM-1
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The common mistake: "With the same ISO, FF still has the advantage"

The same ISO means the same exposure, that on the FF requires four times (two stops) more light on the sensor vs the m43.
When the FL and aperture are equivalent, the only way to have the same ISO is by setting the SS on the FF to be four times longer than the SS on the m43, to collect four times more light on the FF sensor.

Truly equivalent ISO values for FF and m43 are different by the factor of 4, the FF ISO being four time greater than the m43 ISO, e.g. FF ISO 1600 is equivalent to m43 ISO 400, when the lenses are equivalent.

Basically, FF has no "advantage" in terms of the noise or dynamic range at ISO values that are four times the base ISO of a m43 camera. For OM-1, this is at and above FF ISO 800. For G9 II, this is at or above FF ISO 400 (assuming there is no dual gain).

The true advantage in noise and DR of a FF camera such as A1 is in the ISO range 100 - 250 and at 500 (due to the dual gain of the sensor).

Another "advantage" of FF systems is the availability of very fast (and very expensive, and heavy, and large) lenses such as 400mm f/2.8 or 600 f/4 that have no m43 equivalents. I can imagine that a 400mm f/2.8 lens could be developed for m43, to be equivalent to FF 800mm f/5.6, however, most m43 users like this system exactly because the m43 telephoto lenses are relatively light and compact. I have both the Sony 200-600 mm and the Olympus 300 mm lenses. Guess, which one of the two I have not used since acquiring the Olympus lens 1.5 years ago?

I don't mean to claim that using OM-1 or A1 should make little difference. The AF performance can be different, and this is quite likely that A1 has better tracking. Thus, for critical cases, for top professional photographers, when the ultimate performance and the fastest possible lens (even if heavy, large, and expensive) are needed, then one may want to invest into a FF system. For the absolute majority of enthusiast photgrpahers who are looking at the birds in their backyards, or would like to do hiking in the nearby parks and woods with a telephoto lens, FF systems are not needed in the first place and are not ideal in general.



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ruthenium wrote:
Truly equivalent ISO values for FF and m43 are different by the factor of 4, the FF ISO being four time greater than the m43 ISO, e.g. FF ISO 1600 is equivalent to m43 ISO 400, when the lenses are equivalent.


Didn't mention "equivalent" ISO, just the value; FF ISO-400 vs m43 ISO-400, not FF ISO-1600 vs m43 ISO-400.

When I change SS, I check the ISO first before I double check the SS to make sure the SS is acceptable. IBIS and OIS come into play on how much SS I can get away with. Yes, I understand what you were saying, but in practice, with so many variables, it might or might not apply: I am comfortable with OM-1 1/40s @ 420mm, but with the G9II, I get less keepers @ 1/200s (2+ stops in ISO), due to the IS. Same sensor size and same lens. I pay attention to equivalent FL and aperture (DoF), but I change SS constantly, I care about the absolute ISO, and the equivalent ISO, not so much.





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Toertel76 wrote:
Quite an interesting read, and I’m on and off tempted by MFT and the OM1 Mk2 for Wildlife and Safari.

I’m a hobbyist/enthusiast and do not need to earn money with photography. I want to print shots for my own needs at home, so A3+, maybe a bit larger would be enough for processing, and otherwise I use the pictures on the screen and for social Media.

A quick google search, "For a high-quality A3+ print, ... 22 MP is needed." OM-1 II has 20 MP, but maybe it's good enough.

I understand that most likely I should be choosing a better lens for the A1II to get better picture quality, but this would require me now to considerably saving money first, so maybe in a year or two I could wield a good prime lens. But this setup is then really not convenient to lug around (camera and lens easily 4kg) or to travel with.
Take a look at Sony 300/2.8 with the TCs. I shot A1 + 600/4, then OM-1 + 300/4 + 1.4TC (for half of the Sony weight) with PL200/2.8 (for low light, and it renders better than 300/4), and then back to Sony 300/2.8 + TCs.

That made me thinking of if I made the wrong choice, and should maybe replace the whole thing with the OM1 Mk2 and either the 50-200 f2.8 and the 300 f4 or the 150-400 f4.5.
You could switch the system, but you'll miss a few things from the A1 II - pixel count and the AF tracking, etc. If you live in the States, check the price.

One other thing, if you decide to switch to OM-1 II, you'll need to make some adjustments on how you shoot or you'll miss some using the A1 II settings.





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Didn't mention "equivalent" ISO, just the value; FF ISO-400 vs m43 ISO-400, not FF ISO-1600 vs m43 ISO-400.

When I change SS, I check the ISO first before I double check the SS to make sure the SS is acceptable. IBIS and OIS come into play on how much SS I can get away with. Yes, I understand what you were saying, but in practice, with so many variables, it might or might not apply: I am comfortable with OM-1 1/40s @ 420mm, but with the G9II, I get less keepers @ 1/200s (2+ stops in ISO), due to the IS.
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Can you confirm that when saying "I care about the absolute ISO, and the equivalent ISO, not so much" you DO understand that for ISO to be the same on a FF and m43 camera, four times more light should be allowed to reach the FF sensor, compared to the amount of light that falls on the m43 sensor?



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ruthenium wrote:
Can you confirm that when saying "I care about the absolute ISO, and the equivalent ISO, not so much" you DO understand that for ISO to be the same on a FF and m43 camera, four times more light should be allowed to reach the FF sensor, compared to the amount of light that falls on the m43 sensor?


The inverse square law dictates that the full-frame sensor requires four times as much light to achieve the same exposure as the m4/3 sensor, so it's pretty much a wash in terms of light gathering ability.



Nov 02, 2025 at 11:56 AM
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The OM-1 II and the OM-3 have always been on my wish list, primarily due to their ruggedness in inclement weather. I also like the color profile of the OLYMPUS/OM system.

While I don’t see a size advantage of the camera bodies in the M43 system, the telephoto lenses are significantly smaller.

Even though the sensor is 1/4 the size of the 35 mm sensors, the output is exactly similar if you consider using the same image size within your frame.
I think the term “full frame” is a very clever marketing term used, even though other sensor sizes fill their image circles. And it has stuck.

I have been a Sony camera system user since the first A7R camera was released. I have always looked at the Olympus/OM system as a more rugged take anywhere system.
But, I can’t imagine any camera including the Sony A1 Mark II performing any where near my A9III. I sold my A1 after I tested both the A1Mark II and the A9III.

I might reduce the amount of GM lenses to fund the OM-1 II and OM-3 with the 12-40,2.8 II and 50-200 2.8. I think the release of the OM-3 and the OM systems 50-200 2.8 are significantly important to making this system viable for me.

The OM-3 for street photography and the OM-1 II with the 50-200 2.8 for everything else. If this works out well, I will even get away from my Fujifilm X/GFX system.

I consider only the A9III to be essential to my photography at this moment for both everyday life and sports/wildlife photography, The responsiveness and immediacy is unlike anything I have experienced before.

It’s kind of like driving my EV for the first time after a lifetime of ICE (internal combustion engine) cars.



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Number-5 wrote:
One other thing, if you decide to switch to OM-1 II, you'll need to make some adjustments on how you shoot or you'll miss some using the A1 II settings.



Could you please share some of these adjustments, or point me to a resource? I've been shooting OM1-II for a few months now after shooting Sony for several years and I'm still learning the system, so tips would be welcomed. Thanks.



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I keep coming back to this thread as I'm currently considering a 150-400 (with is a lot of money however you slice it)
However im equally not convinced any other system is that much better. The alternative would be an a1mk2 and 300f2.8 plus tc or z8 with 600pf.
There's an interesting comparision here https://mcaughtry.photo/om1-vs-r5-a1-and-z8-comparison/
Although I'm not sure it's entirely correct, I don’t there is much in it. Im sure there was another long multisystem reviw/comparison but I can't for the life of me find it now!



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Silx wrote:
I keep coming back to this thread as I'm currently considering a 150-400 (with is a lot of money however you slice it)
However im equally not convinced any other system is that much better. The alternative would be an a1mk2 and 300f2.8 plus tc or z8 with 600pf.
There's an interesting comparision here https://mcaughtry.photo/om1-vs-r5-a1-and-z8-comparison/
Although I'm not sure it's entirely correct, I don’t there is much in it. Im sure there was another long multisystem reviw/comparison but I can't for the life of me find it now!


Mike Lane on YouTube did some comparisons.

I ditched all my FF long glass for the 150-400mm, but in my case that didn’t really cost me much, because the FF f/4 lenses used are close to the new price of the Olympus (or were, I don’t know current prices for either).



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Silx wrote:
I keep coming back to this thread as I'm currently considering a 150-400 (with is a lot of money however you slice it)
However im equally not convinced any other system is that much better. The alternative would be an a1mk2 and 300f2.8 plus tc or z8 with 600pf.
There's an interesting comparision here https://mcaughtry.photo/om1-vs-r5-a1-and-z8-comparison/
Although I'm not sure it's entirely correct, I don’t there is much in it. Im sure there was another long multisystem reviw/comparison but I can't for the life of me find it now!


I think what may help you in your considerations is telling why you need the long telephoto and what are your plans? There are different scenarios that can make one choice more reasonable than the others.
For example, some people enjoy looking at birds in their backyard and nearby parks. Others travel to popular places where other photographers congregate, all with their big whites. Some do much international travel to exotic places that have exotic birds, animals, etc. Some use telephoto camera systems to shoot sports and other action. Some shoot from a stationary position, e.g. from a car, others go on long hikes in the wilderness.
These different uses may benefit from different available telephoto systems, for different reasons. Thus, I think the question number one is not about which one of the existing long camera systems is "the best," unless the money isn't a consideration at all and one is simply adding a big white toy.



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I think what may help you in your considerations is telling why you need the long telephoto and what are your plans? There are different scenarios that can make one choice more reasonable than the others.
For example, some people enjoy looking at birds in their backyard and nearby parks. Others travel to popular places where other photographers congregate, all with their big whites. Some do much international travel to exotic places that have exotic birds, animals, etc. Some use telephoto camera systems to shoot sports and other action. Some shoot from a stationary position, e.g. from a car, others
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This was really helpful to think about.
My wildlife photography falls into two areas, those close to home and in my local nature reserves day to day and then trecking/abroad. I'm fairly young and fit but like to be manoverable. I tend to shoot mobile and keep moving and have no intention of sitting static on a tripod. I will occasionally shoot from a hide to get a target species (this year was the iberian lynx).

Whatever I use has to work for long distance travel as carry-on and decent distance day hikes. This is how I ended up in m43.

However all three of the system combinations should achieve this, though with the a1/z8 I loose zoom flexibility but gain pixels to crop, not necessarily a problem as I'm used to the 300f4.

All seem to put similar pixels on the subject at similar effective reach for a similar total cost.



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Silx wrote:
This was really helpful to think about.
My wildlife photography falls into two areas, those close to home and in my local nature reserves day to day and then trecking/abroad. I'm fairly young and fit but like to be manoverable. I tend to shoot mobile and keep moving and have no intention of sitting static on a tripod. I will occasionally shoot from a hide to get a target species (this year was the iberian lynx).

Whatever I use has to work for long distance travel as carry-on and decent distance day hikes. This is how I ended up in m43.

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To be maneuverable, shoot and keep moving, and have less problem flying with your gear, arguably OM-1 II + 300mm F4 (with the tripod leg assembly removed) might be your best friend. I have travelled extensively in the last 1.5 years with this combo (Costa Rica, Japan, Cuba) and I have regularly hiked 7 - 15 km with my OM-1 II + 300mm F4 in a (light) Manfrotto holster + a backpack with some clothing, water, etc. in it, without problems.
Having said the above, I must admit that I am getting increasingly disinterested in birds, and even if I do take occasional bird pictures, I also like using the 300mm F4 lens for landscapes, people, and (also occasional) insects. Thus, I might not be the best person to advise anyone on bird photography, if this is your main interest.
Below, I posted three examples of using my OM-1 II & 300mm F4 from a trip in October.
(denoised in DxO PL9 and further corrected in Capture One)

















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Silx wrote:
This was really helpful to think about.
My wildlife photography falls into two areas, those close to home and in my local nature reserves day to day and then trecking/abroad. I'm fairly young and fit but like to be manoverable. I tend to shoot mobile and keep moving and have no intention of sitting static on a tripod. I will occasionally shoot from a hide to get a target species (this year was the iberian lynx).

Whatever I use has to work for long distance travel as carry-on and decent distance day hikes. This is how I ended up in m43.

However
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I must add that I also have a Sony telephoto camera system: A1 & 200-600 f5.6-6.3 G. I like this lens (and I am not particularly enamoured with the A1). If I had to shoot from a static position, e.g. from a hide, I might have taken this combo instead of the OM-1 II with the 300mm f4. If your means allow, one day, you may want to have an m43 and a FF kit for the different uses.



Nov 09, 2025 at 12:09 PM
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Not everyone wants, needs, or can afford more than one system.

Apart from cost, for wildlife photography one should consider how much gear they want to lug around in the field. Do you want a versatile zoom lens that will allow you to use multiple focal-lengths for many reasons, or do you want to be stuck with one single focal-length unless you want to take the time and trouble to use two different TC's? On my walk this morning I took shots from 150mm to 500mm with the single 150-400mm lens. Not possible with the 300 f4 unless I used TC's and had another lens as well.

OM-1 MkII - $2,000 plus 150-400 f4.5 - $9,000 = $11,000
A1-2 - $7,000 plus 300 f2.8 - $6,800 plus 2x TC - $600 = $14,400
Z8 - $3,500 plus 600 f4 - $14,700 = $18,200
Z8 - $3,500 plus 600 f6.3 - $4,000 = $7,500

For versatility the OM wins price-wise. The Nikon 600 f6.3 weighs 3.24 lbs. and the OM 150-400 weighs 4.14 lbs., but the zoom is many lenses and the Nikon is just one lens.



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