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Thank you for the detailed response. I think I will check out the free trial and play around.


Sep 04, 2025 at 07:41 PM
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I have an earlier version of CaptureOne and was anticipating buying the latest version later this year. This release is prompting a rethink, PhotoLab is much cheaper than C1 (I don’t want subscription) but it means learning a whole new interface.

Has anyone switched from C1 to DXO and had any regrets ?


Used C1 starting with Adobe switching to subscription. Used DXO along with it for noise reduction primarily. Dropped C1 after V23 and now just DXO and NIK. In my case no regrets. But yes would do 30 day trail before full switch



Sep 05, 2025 at 07:08 AM
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Any informed opinions on how the DXO AI masking compares to LRC? I have almost completely stopped using DXO 8 for processing because I find the LRAC masks o powerful, useful, and easy to work with.


Adobe AI Masking just keeps getting better and better.

I've been taking my time with PhotoLab 9's new AI Mask feature to see what it can/cannot do, particularly with more complicated compositions. I'm still exploring and experimenting, however so far what I would call decently accurate especially for a first release compared to what Adobe first came out with I think about four years ago. But also DXO's AI Masking is now much better than its previous control point masking approach.




Sep 05, 2025 at 07:27 AM
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p.2 #4 · DXO PhotoLab 9 with new AI Mask Technology


For C1 users by C1 user By Petr Bambousek. His thoughts on new PL9 vs C1

https://www.sulasula.com/en/dxo-photolab-9-en/



Sep 05, 2025 at 09:12 AM
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I tried out PL9 yesterday and it really is rounding into a very impressive package. The AI selection is honestly outstanding, though learning how to use it at first took me a while. Once I had that figured out, it is really impressive. It masks in a very natural way, such that those adjustments have generally perfect blending with the masked out parts. Being able to have a landscape image with an irregular bright area with trees and just drag a box around it, and it selects the area I naturally want - it’s really brilliant.

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Interesting that you would use that Venice example.

I use Adobe Camera Raw to convert my raw images before editing in Photoshop. ACR (and, I assume, Lightroom) has a bunch of very powerful masking options for exactly these kinds of situations. I regularly use this in situations like yours to first select the sky, then make a second inverted version of that selection for everything that is not sky. As you did, I can then deal with the two areas independently and get good luminosity in those shadowed street areas without blowing out the sky.

Here’s a twilight scene from Venice, where the sky was still bright, but lights had already come on along the shaded canal. (I wanted the image to remain somewhat dark to reflect the dusk time frame.)







This week I’ve been working on some even tricking examples of this situation with super bright areas and shaded areas — the interiors of churches with stained glass windows. Here I use ACR’s ability to make selections based on luminosity ranges — selecting the windows and then (you guessed it) inverting the selection so that the second mask lets me work on the windows and non-windows separately.



Sep 05, 2025 at 10:46 AM
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Yeah there’s ways to do it in Lightroom too, but I’ve often struggled with haloing on adjustments like this with some of the LR automated masking. I was just very impressed at the precision and blending for such a strong shadow increase.


Sep 05, 2025 at 11:18 AM
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Interesting that you would use that Venice example.

I use Adobe Camera Raw to convert my raw images before editing in Photoshop. ACR (and, I assume, Lightroom) has a bunch of very powerful masking options for exactly these kinds of situations. I regularly use this in situations like yours to first select the sky, then make a second inverted version of that selection for everything that is not sky. As you did, I can then deal with the two areas independently and get good luminosity in those shadowed street areas without blowing out the sky.

Here’s a twilight scene from
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"selections based on luminosity ranges" is a regular part of Photolab. Several masks in PL are both luma and chroma sensitive and can be easily adjusted on both parameters. E.g., selecting a bright window in a dark interior of a building is reasonably trivial in PL. Another example would be selecting blue patches of a sky without including any clouds.



Sep 05, 2025 at 11:29 AM
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I am a long-term user of Photolab and have added PL9. My experience with C1 is very recent. I started using C1 about two weeks ago and I really like the performance. Most of my recent work has been in C1 and I think this trend is going to continue. I like the colors of C1, but most importantly, it seems easier to adjust light in C1 vs PL. The Highlights, Midtones, Shadows, and Black sliders in PL feel crude, or too wide-range compared to C1, where the corresponding adjustments do not interfere with each other. For example, adjusting the
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Agreed. I have been with C1 since version 7. I used perpetual from the start, and was grandfathered as such when the changes to subscription started. I had opted to purchased 3 seats when it was briefly offered, which surprisingly, the VC's that purchased C1 honored and continue to honor to date.The latest C1 update with AI is very powerful, intuitive and fast. I am a beta tester for C1, which allows me to view system requirements and changes as well as test beta releases. C1 has been and is my primary editor of choice since I left PS and LR behind.

All that said, I have been with DxO since DxO 2, and updated every year until PL 6 and Pure Raw 2, which I use on occasion for specific files. I just downloaded the 30 day trial of PL9 yesterday and worked with some old files from the archives. I must say, I do like the updates to the UI. These updates alone may make it worth your while if you are a regular user, AI aside. Future AI improvements will come no doubt and it remains one more tool in the tool box.

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Agreed. I have been with C1 since version 7. I used perpetual from the start, and was grandfathered as such when the changes to subscription started. I had opted to purchased 3 seats when it was briefly offered, which surprisingly, the VC's that purchased C1 honored and continue to honor to date.The latest C1 update with AI is very powerful, intuitive and fast. I am a beta tester for C1, which allows me to view system requirements and changes as well as test beta releases. C1 has been and is my primary editor of choice since I left PS and
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Yes, these are all tools in the tool box, some are more specialized, others are more broadly useful.
Well-exposed raw files are very easy to deal with in PL, but those with extreme highlights and shadows I find much easier to correct in CO. The feeling is like CO allows me go gain extra dynamic range and squeeze image content from the highlights that might be nearly impossible to recover in PL. Also the colors of CO are more to my liking on average.
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Sep 05, 2025 at 12:04 PM
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Still very satisfied with PureRaw + Adobe user however I'm always heartened to see DXO (or anybody) continue to innovate and push Adobe and their mutual competitors to continue to create and improve features. Some of the selection (AI and regular) tools in Photoshop are mind-blowing and probably overkill for most people but as DXO gains a foothold they do trickle down to Lightroom eventually.

The way that DXO scatters some of their PL features throughout their individual software is a little aggravating (I know they want to get more PL customers and fewer VP or PR buyers) but it's forgivable since they are a much smaller company than Adobe.



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p.2 #11 · DXO PhotoLab 9 with new AI Mask Technology


LiveShots wrote:
I have an earlier version of CaptureOne and was anticipating buying the latest version later this year. This release is prompting a rethink, PhotoLab is much cheaper than C1 (I don’t want subscription) but it means learning a whole new interface.

Has anyone switched from C1 to DXO and had any regrets ?


Hi, I did switch from C1 to DXO. Not an iota of regret. I liked C1 a lot until they turned to the subscription mode. In my opinion, go for it. FYI.. I am on PL8 and really like it.



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Hi, I did switch from C1 to DXO. Not an iota of regret. I liked C1 a lot until they turned to the subscription mode. In my opinion, go for it. FYI.. I am on PL8 and really like it.


Thanks for the input, it's the price of C1 that is prompting me to look elsewhere. Their 'perpetual' license cost is crazy.



Sep 05, 2025 at 04:35 PM
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Might as well give it a try - it has a 30 day trial without limitations so you can see if, after the learning curve, you prefer it to C1.


I think it has limitations if the machine is not naive to PL. Have you been able to get the trial to work on a machine with other licenses? I have 2 fully paid PL Elite licenses, should work on 6 machines, but it does not. I have one of each license with PL6->7 and PL 8 activated on one machine. Are you saying that the demo of PL9 should work rather than be expired?

I can work on it some more, but have not had best success with VMs and not feeling like finding some parts that have never seen PL. The problem I have experienced with previous PL versions is that after the upgrade I could not activate the earlier versions.

EBH



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It works for me. I have PL 8 Elite installed and activated on the same machine and my trial fully works.


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Still very satisfied with PureRaw + Adobe user however I'm always heartened to see DXO (or anybody) continue to innovate and push Adobe and their mutual competitors to continue to create and improve features. Some of the selection (AI and regular) tools in Photoshop are mind-blowing and probably overkill for most people but as DXO gains a foothold they do trickle down to Lightroom eventually.

The way that DXO scatters some of their PL features throughout their individual software is a little aggravating (I know they want to get more PL customers and fewer VP or PR buyers) but it's
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A few things.

I’m also an Adobe user — my workflow is Bridge/ACR/Photoshop based. Yeah, I know. Everyone else uses Lightroom. It is a long story. But I agree that it is good that there are other companies working to compete with Adobe, since that encourages all of the companies to make their products better. I worried about that way back when Aperture (anyone else remember that?) got cancelled.

Speaking of (maybe) overkill, Adobe has been rolling out some pretty astonishing (likely AI based) features recently that are very powerful. Some of the automatic selections, while subject to occasional goofs, are quite amazing. I “accidentally” discovered a few weeks ago that there is now a “landscape” masking feature that will attempt (often successfully, and in other case good enough to only require quick manual touchup) things like water, sky, vegetation and so on.

I don’t know how this works in the non-Adobe products (I suspect they offer analogs) but the ability to combine masks in Adobe products is also extremely powerful, letting you add and/or subtract elements of the scene with a great deal of flexibility.

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A few things.

I’m also an Adobe user — my workflow is Bridge/ACR/Photoshop based. Yeah, I know. Everyone else uses Lightroom. It is a long story. But I agree that it is good that there are other companies working to compete with Adobe, since that encourages all of the companies to make their products better. I worried about that way back when Aperture (anyone else remember that?) got cancelled.

Speaking of (maybe) overkill, Adobe has been rolling out some pretty astonishing (likely AI based) features recently that are very powerful. Some of the automatic selections, whole subject to some goofs, are
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I too am using your Adobe workflow Dan. I have never used LR. I also tried Aperture but did not like it. Just me.

Yes Adobe is creating some great new AI generated features!

I will mention this only as my experience with DXO. I have had the Nik Collection since it was a private company. Their support was excellent. When Google bought them out, Google kept the employees and their support was excellent. When DXO bought out Google the support went downhill fast. Email is the only support you can get and it is not reliable IMHO.

Yes competition is great. Keeps everyone on their toes!
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The issue with AI is that’s it’s aimed at typical use cases, so you lose control.


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The issue with AI is that’s it’s aimed at typical use cases, so you lose control.


Yes, and no.

The thing is, just like with other kinds of photography hardware and software automation, you can get only so far by trusting the software to make all the choices. It still requires a lot of thought and practice and experience to make it work well.

For example, when identifying “objects” for Adobe AI remove, the program (in my case ACR) makes some assumptions about what to remove and how far to extend the affected area beyond my initial selection. Those assumptions can sometimes be wrong, and occasionally very wrong. So you have to know how to tailor them to work correctly — which may well be a case of letting the software make an initial section and then manually adding or excluding elements from it.

Sometimes you have to combine the AI tools with other techniques. Michael Frye wrote recently about dealing with an extremely difficult problem — removing mesh cylinders surrounding tree seedlings from photographs of a Yosemite Valley meadow. He used a sophisticated combination of techniques, including the clone stamp tool, the regular remove tool, and the AI remove tool, often working on small sections fo the intruding element separately. (In other words, he couldn’t just tell the AI tool, “just remove this.”)

Of course, the AI software does sometimes hallucinate and you have to figure how to work around it. My first experience with that was with some migratory bird photographs where I wanted to remove something from the sky. The AI remove tool took it out… but it also ADDED a very small full moon! Usually when that happens you just reselct and do it again, but this time it kept adding a moon!



Sep 06, 2025 at 03:41 PM
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Jman13 wrote:
It works for me. I have PL 8 Elite installed and activated on the same machine and my trial fully works.


I think I know why, but cannot resolve it now.
Are you seeing the same denoising engine used in 9 as 8.5+?

EBH



Sep 09, 2025 at 03:26 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
I think I know why, but cannot resolve it now.
Are you seeing the same denoising engine used in 9 as 8.5+?

EBH


To me, there is no apparent difference in the quality of denoising between the two versions. I am not aware of any claims about denoising in PL9 being superior compared to denoising in the latest version of PL8.
One new option related to denoising is to have the full deep denoising enabled at the time when one is making corrections. PL8 applied this deep denoising only on export.



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