Logan Nolag wrote:
I agree that Sony needs a camera to compete with the Canon R5mk2 and Nikon Z8/Z9 but it would have been better to simply drop the price of the A1II to compete rather than ruin what made the A7R line special.
This camera seems awesome don’t get me wrong but I really wanted the A7RVI to have a larger version of the 40mp sensor in all the newer Fujis i.e. a 94+mp BSI sensor which could then more directly compete with the likes of the Fuji GFX and Hasselblad 100mp cameras.
what are you talking about? A1 still beat Z9 or R5mk2 on extreme wildlife action shot. Take nikon few years with tons of firmware update to bring Z9 on par with A1.
Logan Nolag wrote:
Yeah my exact feelings. They already established that the A1 and to a lesser extent the standard A7 series are the high speed/hybrid models. The A7R series has always been an image quality above all else line meant for studio and landscape. Not every camera needs to be a high speed hybrid/video camera but I guess all the YouTubers crying about too much rolling shutter in video on the A7RV won out.
I agree that Sony needs a camera to compete with the Canon R5mk2 and Nikon Z8/Z9 but it would have been better to simply drop the price of the A1II to compete rather than ruin what made the A7R line special.
This camera seems awesome don’t get me wrong but I really wanted the A7RVI to have a larger version of the 40mp sensor in all the newer Fujis i.e. a 94+mp BSI sensor which could then more directly compete with the likes of the Fuji GFX and Hasselblad 100mp cameras. ...Show more →
Yep. We should be moving towards MF image quality from a FF sensor with the R series IMO. Problem is that moving data from an RGB sensor, at 16 bit depth, and an even higher resolution sensor is going to bottleneck the data pipeline. If such a body were to exist, it would inevitbly be slower than they are proposing with the a7rvi, but this fits the original purpose of the R series. Let the 1 series by the sports and wildlife body
Alex Phan wrote:
what are you talking about? A1 still beat Z9 or R5mk2 on extreme wildlife action shot. Take nikon few years with tons of firmware update to bring Z9 on par with A1.
So eos the A1 beat the Z9 or is the Z9 on par now?
Alex Phan wrote:
what are you talking about? A1 still beat Z9 or R5mk2 on extreme wildlife action shot. Take nikon few years with tons of firmware update to bring Z9 on par with A1.
Compete in terms of price and performance. The A1/A1II are equivalent or better specs wise than the R5mkII and the Z8/Z9 but it’s far more expensive and while the A7RV is priced similarly it isn’t in the same category.
Sony currently doesn’t have a camera that’s both high speed and high resolution with a price similar to the R5mk2 or even the Z9 let alone the Z8. The A7RVI is looking like it will be that camera although I would have preferred if they simply dropped the price of the A1II and kept the A7R series as the high res/low speed line and the price below $4k.
Sony cares WAY too much about market segments, while hamstringing each camera in a weird way that some other Sony camera excels at, all while charging 30-40% more than their competition for largely similar models.
Trying to figure out where THIS thing is gonna slot in is probably a waste of mental exertion.
Alex Phan wrote:
z9 is 95% there. It still not be able to capture the super close in flight straight toward the shooter.
How does the A7Rvi EVF compare to the A1ii’s EVF? I ask because for some, myself included, the closer the EVF comes to an optical VF, the less blackout and lag, the better the user experience..at least for those that even bother with the EVF.
RoamingScott wrote:
Sony cares WAY too much about market segments, while hamstringing each camera in a weird way that some other Sony camera excels at, all while charging 30-40% more than their competition for largely similar models.
Trying to figure out where THIS thing is gonna slot in is probably a waste of mental exertion.
If the rumors turn out to be true it seems like maybe Sony is moving away from that concept. Seems like in the future the primary differentiator will be resolution and the physical features of the various bodies ie: extra top left control dials, custom buttons, larger grips, dual card slots etc. Maybe also global shutters but based on this release I wouldn’t be surprised if the A7RVII has a global shutter and the A7VI has a fully stacked one.
arbitrage wrote:
The SAR photo has the * icon instead of a 3 on the mode dial. That YT video doesn't show a *. Still has the 3.
Something is fishy about one of these.
Unless the Youtube is totally AI slop, I would expect that to be the final production (since there are retail boxes also) while the SAR is either a hoax or from a not-final prototype.
But if the Youtube is legit, do we like that the grip looks pretty much the same as the old one? Not sure how I feel about that...
Edit: Nah, I don't trust that Youtube video. We will get better pics tomorrow or just see it fully Wednesday ....
It doesn’t look like that video is actually showing anything new. The video is just showing a bunch of various older cameras and the thumbnail is either photoshopped or AI. I’m going with AI seeing as the guy’s hand looks like it’s attached backwards. Also the photo in the thumbnail shows the older style non programmable exposure comp dial and the old single slot Z battery charger.
michal.narozny wrote:
I hope it has the shutter release button of A1II/A9III - it is so much better than the orginal A1 a7rV.
As the owner of aforementioned cameras I can concur that there's absolutely zero difference between the shutter button feel and placement. I've been taking the A1 II together with A7RV to photoshoots for about a year, and without looking I couldn't tell what I'm holding in my right hand.
This exchange is a reminder of how silly the Internet wisdom can be: what feels "so much better" to one person is absoluteluy undetectable to someone else.
Logan Nolag wrote:
Sony currently doesn’t have a camera that’s both high speed and high resolution with a price similar to the R5mk2 or even the Z9 let alone the Z8.
What you're missing here is that while Sony controls the speed and resolution of their cameras, they do not control the price. The market does, Sony obediently takes the MSRP from the market and attaches it to their products. If you don't believe me, go ahead and hire someone like Simon Kucher for a very expensive lesson, then come back. Once you apply that correction, you'll see that the A1 II is that camera you're referring to. But the market decided to pay premium for it.
Logan Nolag wrote:
It doesn’t look like that video is actually showing anything new. The video is just showing a bunch of various older cameras and the thumbnail is either photoshopped or AI. I’m going with AI seeing as the guy’s hand looks like it’s attached backwards. Also the photo in the thumbnail shows the older style non programmable exposure comp dial and the old single slot Z battery charger.
The SAR photo shows the SONY front logo as being nearly vertical, while this photo shows the standard angle of the existing design. The batteries look like standard NP-FZ100 batteries, plus. it shows two of them. When has Sony ever shipped two batteries?
Also, the video shows details that just do not look right, including the LCD hinge, dial markings and access doors.
I tried replicating the finger positions on the A7R5 with a similar lens and it was really difficult to do so, plus the thumb in the photo looks out of proportion to my hands.
old-gregg wrote:
As the owner of aforementioned cameras I can concur that there's absolutely zero difference between the shutter button feel and placement. I've been taking the A1 II together with A7RV to photoshoots for about a year, and without looking I couldn't tell what I'm holding in my right hand.
This exchange is a reminder of how silly the Internet wisdom can be: what feels "so much better" to one person is absoluteluy undetectable to someone else.
What you're missing here is that while Sony controls the speed and resolution of their cameras, they do not control the price. The market does, Sony obediently takes the MSRP from the market and attaches it to their products. If you don't believe me, go ahead and hire someone like Simon Kucher for a very expensive lesson, then come back. Once you apply that correction, you'll see that the A1 II is that camera you're referring to. But the market decided to pay premium for it. ...Show more →
No that’s exactly what I’m saying. They could price the A1 at whatever price they wanted since there was no competition but then Nikon released the Z9 and later the Z8 and Canon released the R5mk2 all of which are 90%-95% the performance of the A1 while being as much as half the price. What’s more surprising to me is that they didn’t price the A1II at $5000 to start with since that’s what the market seems to expect for a 45-50mp camera that can shoot 30fps.
sidaths wrote:
Looks like it may have illuminated buttons.
I was wondering that. It has the lightbulb icon button, and it sure looks to me like the buttons on back are brighter than they normally would be being on the shadowed side, so perhaps illumination is activated for the pic. This is a feature on some of my Nikons that I use and enjoy.
