Sony was never going to replace their flagship camera with one that is half the price. Only rumor sites that sell the hype and haters that will jump on anything to bash Sony believe so.
This is their unrivaled image quality camera. No other full frame offers this sort of resolution, bit depth, buffer size and video features.
The only other competition to this camera is.... drum roll... The A1. Which is also Sony.
It is good to see that Sony continues to provide a lot of excitement to the industry. I could lug around a brick of Nikon for half the price and half the features or an unreliable Canon.
Dear Sony, don’t send your cameras for review to people who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
"if my math is not off, it is roughly 5-10ms full-frame read out base on the specs i know."
"we have the discussion the other day and said some of the A1ii user will be very mad, especially those that just bought it recently."
Those claims didn't just age; they decomposed. Did that guy actually test the camera or did he just let his dog play with it?
That said, if you don't shoot very fast action and want something faster than the (excellent) A7RV, this A7RVI looks like an amazing camera.
But for ultimate overall performance, the A1II is still the undisputed king.
deepDEEPpurple wrote:
I could lug around a brick of Nikon for half the price and half the features
I'd love a handy Sony with half the features for half the price. But somehow, it seems today's photographers have no other goals than capturing the 500,000,000th bird in flight and landscapes they can admire at 400% zoom. And that's why Sony keeps churning out one ridiculously expensive camera after another for the camera-top-top game, instead of introducing meaningful improvements like OLED displays, focus assist, customizable screens, and so on.
robert614 wrote:
My bank account is breathing a sigh of relief this morning. The GAS has been building the last couple weeks. For both this camera and the 100-400 GM II. But I think I’m gonna hold off for the time being on both
I think I’m gonna wait for either an A1 III or A9IV before seriously considering upgrading my current cameras
I may actually get one to replace one of my two A1IIs. The reason I have two fast bodies is mainly for airshows where I have a long lens on one camera and a shorter lens on another. The new A7RVI should be good enough as a second camera. I shoot some landscape, travel stuff too, I am sure the A7RVI is a better camera than the A1II for that kind of stuff. I will definitely keep one A1II. The A7RVI is no A1II killer when the actions are demanding.
I am discouraged after watching Steve Perry's 100-400 review, albeit it's just one review of a single copy of the lens. I was hoping the new 100-400+1.4 TC will be a bit sharper than the 200-600, and with 2X TC will be as good as the 400-800. It doesn't appear to be the case based on Steve's review. Need to watch more reviews or wait until some FMers do some tests. Now I kind of regret selling my sharp copy of the old 100-400 GM.
InFocus2014 wrote:
This make a ton of sense, to me. We were told that a major driver for the high cost of the A1 II was the high cost of producing fully-stacked sensors. Just a short time later they can now sell an even higher resolution fully-stacked sensor for $4500? If they were truthful about the A1 II, I can see where something had to give.
I'm not sure what to think about this, honestly. Canon and Nikon have stacked sensors in Z8 and R5 II and especially the Nikon one has been on the market for quite some time. And Sony couldn't rival that in the same price bracket, give or take?
It might also be that they concluded that a fully stacked sensor with a DRAM layer would still hamper image quality somewhat and whatever compromise that they have cooked is the best balance between top image quality and half decent readout speed.
But I'm am a bit puzzled about the subpar readout speed to be honest.
Stoffer wrote:
It might also be that they concluded that a fully stacked sensor with a DRAM layer would still hamper image quality somewhat and whatever compromise that they have cooked is the best balance between top image quality and half decent readout speed.
But I'm am a bit puzzled about the subpar readout speed to be honest.
You could have a point here. It will be interesting to see how the IQ pans out after the dust settles.
Douglas L wrote:
I may actually get one to replace one of my two A1IIs. The reason I have two fast bodies is mainly for airshows where I have a long lens on one camera and a shorter lens on another. The new A7RVI should be good enough as a second camera. I shoot some landscape, travel stuff too, I am sure the A7RVI is a better camera than the A1II for that kind of stuff. I will definitely keep one A1II. The A7RVI is no A1II killer when the actions are demanding.
I am discouraged after watching Steve Perry's 100-400 review, albeit it's just one review of a single copy of the lens. I was hoping the new 100-400+1.4 TC will be a bit sharper than the 200-600, and with 2X TC will be as good as the 400-800. It doesn't appear to be the case based on Steve's review. Need to watch more reviews or wait until some FMers do some tests. Now I kind of regret selling my sharp copy of the old 100-400 GM....Show more →
Yeah, I was thinking about selling my a9III for the A7RVI. Mostly for the resolution. Like you, I use two bodies for airshows. Where the extra resolution will be appreciated. On the other hand, for motorsports, the global shutter on panning shots is unbeatable. So I think I’m gonna hold on to what I got
As far as the 100-400, I was a little disappointed with Steve Perry’s sharpness tests as well. But other videos are reporting better results. So copy variation may indeed be playing a role. I’m hoping his lens was just not the best copy
Stoffer wrote:
I'm not sure what to think about this, honestly. Canon and Nikon have stacked sensors in Z8 and R5 II and especially the Nikon one has been on the market for quite some time. And Sony couldn't rival that in the same price bracket, give or take?
It might also be that they concluded that a fully stacked sensor with a DRAM layer would still hamper image quality somewhat and whatever compromise that they have cooked is the best balance between top image quality and half decent readout speed.
But I'm am a bit puzzled about the subpar readout speed to be honest....Show more →
Ehh, not surprised at all. I fully expected something like this. There's two reasons: First of all, reading out that many pixels is just hard to do super fast. Notice no other vendors are lining up with high-resolution super fast cameras--they're all 45mpx or less. And while it can be done, it's also expensive. If you want to hit a price and performance sweet spot you have to compromise somewhere. Then of course, Sony would be a bit foolish to cannibalize the A1/A1II/A9II/A9III sales even if we assume they *could* make it just a fast at the cheaper price point. So logically very little reason to have expected faster. Crazy fast readout is just not the niche for this camera, period. I think the market sweet spot is close to what Sony is putting out here anyway. The market for that super fast readout is pretty small, we're just highly over-represented here on FM.
Well, that is interesting. I was wrong and it is a fully stacked sensor, but the sensor scan speed will still leave lots of room for the A1 II and the A9 III when people want to shoot fast action. This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer.
This is not a sports camera. Why are people trying to shoehorn it into that niche? It can do it, but it isn’t the focus. It’s using the stacked sensor to INCREASE DR.
pbrun wrote:
Dear Sony, don’t send your cameras for review to people who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
"if my math is not off, it is roughly 5-10ms full-frame read out base on the specs i know."
"we have the discussion the other day and said some of the A1ii user will be very mad, especially those that just bought it recently."
Those claims didn't just age; they decomposed. Did that guy actually test the camera or did he just let his dog play with it?
That said, if you don't shoot very fast action and want something faster than the (excellent) A7RV, this A7RVI looks like an amazing camera.
But for ultimate overall performance, the A1II is still the undisputed king. ...Show more →
Did anyone really think this camera would be better than the A1II or the a93 for fast action shooting? People that are disappointed with the camera only have themselves to blame.
From what I see, it’s an amazing camera that can be used for 99% of the different photography scenarios. I can’t wait to see how much they can fold into the next A7cr camera.
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