Steve Spencer wrote:
Well, that is interesting. I was wrong and it is a fully stacked sensor, but the sensor scan speed will still leave lots of room for the A1 II and the A9 III when people want to shoot fast action. This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer.
"This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer."
Sticking with my five year old Sony A1 which still looks brand new, turned out to be a very good move for me. Still "The One" IMO--minus a few more modern, bells and whistles.
Steve Spencer wrote:
This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer.
I think that's the point yes. Sony created a fairly strange situation for themselves and this camera by making it a stacked sensor, when it maybe didn't need to be. The A7RV was already best in classes (and still is) for a lot of things, and upgrading that must have been hard. Seemingly 76-80MP wasn't possible so the only way to push forward must have been a small 5MP bump in resolution and pairing it with 30 fps like a lot of the competition.
At the price point Sony couldn't or didn't want to keep the rolling shutter in the same range as the A1II and that results in some pretty weird photos as already shown. Again the expectation Sony set for themselves by making this stacked just warps the R line... still not sure if that was the right call here.
deepDEEPpurple wrote:
Sony was never going to replace their flagship camera with one that is half the price. Only rumor sites that sell the hype and haters that will jump on anything to bash Sony believe so.
This is their unrivaled image quality camera. No other full frame offers this sort of resolution, bit depth, buffer size and video features.
The only other competition to this camera is.... drum roll... The A1. Which is also Sony.
It is good to see that Sony continues to provide a lot of excitement to the industry. I could lug around a brick of Nikon for half the price and half the features or an unreliable Canon.
quantumloop wrote:
Alex Phan is a well known birding photographer who uses a lot of gear, including a lot of Sony gear, and he posted on FB about the A7RVI teaser of the announcement. He is very credible and I can believe that he probably has already seen or used this camera.
In reading the comments, he answered a few questions. He said that the exact resolution is 66.8MP, fully stacked sensor of course. He was also asked if this was going to really be an A1 II killer and if one should sell their A1 II. He said "yes. Sell it."
Another of his friends posted "Plz don't do this to me right now" and he replied "You will love it." The person then asked "Will I want to keep my a1 II or no." Alex replied "as a backup."
Take all this as you will but the person is very credible....Show more →
I was proven right. Sony has never cannibalized their flagship camera in this way. As I said previously, there will be a technical/use-case dependent reason to stay with or buy an A1 II instead of the newly improved A7RVI — I guaranteed it
I don't think anyone thought this would be a sports camera but it's possible to create a non-sports specific camera that is capable of being used for sports. That rolling shutter makes it unusable. The stacked sensor and 30fps seems like they're teasing something it's not. Image quality, focusing and battery life should be great.
Google told me the A7RV launch price was $3900. Worth a $600 increase for y'all? Reminder, new battery now. That means the next A1 and A9 will probably use a new battery as well I'm guessing?
Does the battery grip finally fit like a pro level camera should?
Steve Spencer wrote:
Well, that is interesting. I was wrong and it is a fully stacked sensor, but the sensor scan speed will still leave lots of room for the A1 II and the A9 III when people want to shoot fast action. This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer.
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Jman13 wrote:
This is not a sports camera. Why are people trying to shoehorn it into that niche? It can do it, but it isn’t the focus. It’s using the stacked sensor to INCREASE DR.
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SPDTDL wrote:
Probably because of the 5-10ms hype that was being pedalled
I never believed it, because that metric , if true would have cannibalized A1 II sales. Suckers who believed that 🤦🏽♂️
stuuke wrote:
I don't think anyone thought this would be a sports camera but it's possible to create a non-sports specific camera that is capable of being used for sports. That rolling shutter makes it unusable. The stacked sensor and 30fps seems like they're teasing something it's not. Image quality, focusing and battery life should be great.
Since when is 10fps (mechanical) “unusable” for sports?
If you are in the small minority that truly needs faster than that, you wouldn’t be choosing a 67MP landscape camera as your tool for the job. It is perfectly capable being pressed into sports work for those who use it as a general camera. Any dedicated sports shooter is going to be using an A9 III or A1 II.
“ "This looks like a great camera, but I don't think it will be an A1 II killer."
Sticking with my five year old Sony A1 which still looks brand new, turned out to be a very good move for me. Still "The One" IMO--minus a few more modern, bells and whistles.”
- The exact same sentiments I feel. $4,000 for “Pre-Capture” is a joke. I wouldn’t need the C5 button I could map my “panic button” to execute Pre-Capture.
I’d like to see the A1 jailbroken so that people could have full control over their hardware instead of being nickel and dimed by the Japanese Software engineers who purposely cripple each camera in a way to upsell the next one.
Case in point, older iPhones that are jailbroken are much more powerful and capable, than locked down walled-garden firmware that denies you root access.
So many of the improvements in iPhone software features trickled down from hackers who exploited these vulnerabilities and we were 3 years ahead of the curve. Sony is stifling innovation by not allowing us to explore more possibilities. But low IQ people would crap their pants and brick their devices and not be able to undo the damage, so that is why we are all in jail
Alan Parker wrote:
Sony created a fairly strange situation for themselves and this camera by making it a stacked sensor, when it maybe didn't need to be.
I don't know what problem they solved by making it stacked but then still too slow for most sports or BIF.
jwpstl wrote:
I don't know what problem they solved by making it stacked but then still too slow for most sports or BIF.
They solved a marketing problem of not having a Sony "stacked sensor" that their competitors have Stacked is a pretty liberal term, which can mean adding an any additional layer to the sensor, in this case an amorphous "processing layer" that I've yet to see a compelling reason adds any utility or value to the camera. But I'll reserve final judgement until more details are hopefully released.
Jman13 wrote:
This is not a sports camera. Why are people trying to shoehorn it into that niche? It can do it, but it isn’t the focus. It’s using the stacked sensor to INCREASE DR.
The catchy phrases:
A1II killer
Fully stacked sensor
30 FPS
Even Alex Phan said here that the folks who bought the A1II recently would be mad. Based on what I read this morning, the A7RVI IS no doubt a fantastic all around camera, at a very reasonable price. But it's no A1II killer in areas where people bought the A1II for, IMHO.
Jman13 wrote:
Since when is 10fps (mechanical) “unusable” for sports?
If you are in the small minority that truly needs faster than that, you wouldn’t be choosing a 67MP landscape camera as your tool for the job. It is perfectly capable being pressed into sports work for those who use it as a general camera. Any dedicated sports shooter is going to be using an A9 III or A1 II.
Is 10fps usable for sports? Yes. Is it usable for sports photos that you're getting paid for? Probably not, but maybe. Am I happy with 10fps for personal or unpaid work? No. Once you feel 15 - 20 fps, it's very difficult to go back. For me, anyway. Also, once you feel the AF 120/second calculation speed of the A1/A9, it is also hard to go back to 60 cals per second bodies. In the same vane, once you use a sensor with 5ms readout, and get rid of any rolling shutter, I have ZERO desire to go backwards in that department.
The dream would have been this camera with a 5 - 10ms readout speed, so I can crop more in sports and wild life. I cannot afford a 400 2.8 or 600 f4 lens to make up the reach.
Stacked is a pretty liberal term, which can mean adding an any additional layer to the sensor, in this case an amorphous "processing layer" that I've yet to see a compelling reason adds any utility or value to the camera. But I'll reserve final judgement until more details are hopefully released.